Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - READ THE FIRST POST

[Weirdo]

The Maxim and the Maxim (I) are two different units. Look at their Alpha Strike cards. :)

[Hellraiser]

Wait what?

The Warhammer & the Warhammer-IIC are 2 different units.

The Maxim-3025 & Maxim-I is just 2 different "Variants" isn't it?

Hmm, I just noticed that the Partisan Heavy Tank & Partisan Air Defense Tank, which is how they were named in 3026 & 3058 also show up as "different vehicles".
Which I would never call them a fully different class of vehicle.  One is just the Upgrade of the other.

This is one of those weird consistency issues. 
The Centurion gains 5 tons in some variants & still isn't a separate class, same w/ the Jager.
But the Enforcer & Jager that get a III on them are even though they are the same tonnage as the original.

Atlas-II is different chassis but its just a Royal-Atlas w/ Ferro but ReSeen are the same class as original.

I don't consider the Avenger from DS&JS to be a totally different "class" of ship from the Avenger(3049) just an upgrade, like going from Atlas-7D to 7S.

Very odd.

[Weirdo]

If you print out their record sheets, they will not be identical. That is what I mean by being different units.

[Sartris]

This is not a space for discussion

[jgodwin17]

Should the Marian Hegemony and the Taurian Concordat have access to the Orion ON1-VA? They both have access to the ON1-V and the ON1-VA seems like a really common refit (IS general and Mercenary access) to a mech that both factions have been using for 100+ years at the time of early Succession Wars.

Just wanted to follow up on this, as it seemed to have gotten missed and its been a few weeks. Thanks for taking a look!

[Kerfuffin(925)]

Chameleon 8V is listed as being introduced in the year 3086 but its era is listed as Clan Invasion. Should be early Republic

[Weirdo]

Should the Goblin (MG) be available to the Star League (1st)? All of the other 3039 Goblins are, I can't find any reason this one would be an exception.

Thanks!

[Waritec]

Delete this post please

[Gribbly]

The LRM and SRM variants of the 'Goblin Medium Tank' are available to IS General, Periphery General and Mercenary in the Star League era. Should the base Goblin also have IS and Periphery availability in the SL period?

Goblin Medium Tank
Goblin Medium Tank (LRM)
Goblin Medium Tank (SRM)

Just a little bump in case this had fallen through the cracks.

[IroncladChemist]

The Ontos Heavy Tank (LRM) has all its weapons mounted in its turret, but no turret-mounted damage output in its specials. MUL lists it with TUR(LRM2/3/3,IF3). It should probably have TUR(2/4/4, LRM2/3/3, IF3) instead.
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2328/ontos-heavy-tank-lrm

[TRD]

Few questions:

1. Kite Reconnaissance Vehicle

In TRO 3150 (p.46) there is First Taurian Lancers recon company in "notable units" section, all vehicles are Kites (both variants)

Shouldn't Taurian Concordat MUL page get them?


2. Taurian BA organisation

3067, HB:MPS
"Battle armor squads of four soldiers"

but

3071, story "Into the Fire" by Jason Schmetzer, Trinity Medium Battle Armor (Asterion) maniple vs FedSuns Nightstar, it is five:
 1. Subaltern Gloria Riordan, our PoV in this story
 2. BA trooper Hutchins, case of death - AC fire from Jagermech
 3. BA trooper Falcone, case of death - gauss slug from Nightstar
 4. BA trooper Juresh, alive, traumatic arm amputation by Nightstar
 5. BA trooper Madison, alive

Should Taurian MUL get Trinity Medium Battle Armor (Asterion) (Sqd5) in 3071+ ?
Should all Taurian BA in MUL get (Sqd5) instead of (Sqd4) after 3071 ?

[Sartris]

Hi all, we will be holding off on any changes until after the new site is operational (no, there is no current ETA). Please continue with reporting issues - we will circle back on unanswered items at that point.

Few questions:

1. Kite Reconnaissance Vehicle

In TRO 3150 (p.46) there is First Taurian Lancers recon company in "notable units" section, all vehicles are Kites (both variants)

Shouldn't Taurian Concordat MUL page get them?

The standard is generally "multiple examples in multiple units." There are many examples in canon text that notes similar distributions and go unlisted. Not being on the list doesn't necessarily mean that faction has zero of that unit, just not enough to be typically found interspersed among that faction's forces.

2. Taurian BA organisation

3067, HB:MPS
"Battle armor squads of four soldiers"

but

3071, story "Into the Fire" by Jason Schmetzer, Trinity Medium Battle Armor (Asterion) maniple vs FedSuns Nightstar, it is five:
 1. Subaltern Gloria Riordan, our PoV in this story
 2. BA trooper Hutchins, case of death - AC fire from Jagermech
 3. BA trooper Falcone, case of death - gauss slug from Nightstar
 4. BA trooper Juresh, alive, traumatic arm amputation by Nightstar
 5. BA trooper Madison, alive

Should Taurian MUL get Trinity Medium Battle Armor (Asterion) (Sqd5) in 3071+ ?
Should all Taurian BA in MUL get (Sqd5) instead of (Sqd4) after 3071 ?

Nope. HB:MPS is the standard.

[ArcFurnace]

The Lumberjack LM1/A should be tagged as Primitive technology, as its introduction date is well before the introduction of non-Primitive Industrialmechs, but just after Primitive Industrialmechs reach production with the Terran Hegemony. See Interstellar Operations: Alternate Eras, page 44.

[jeremylt]

Is Tariq mounted infantry supposed to be in Periphery General when the lore seems to indicate it is on Outworlds Alliance unit?

[Death_from_above]

"Could we have some more line art please Sir?"

The latest BT Activity book has new line art for several 'Mechs (Argus, Dragon Fire).

Any chance/plans of having the relevant MUL pages/Alpha Strike cards updated?

[Sartris]

Changes are on hold until the new site launches. New art will be added at that time

[Lime2K]

Mad Cat (Bounty Hunter) flagged as featured in TR:CI, and is not:
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1976/mad-cat-timber-wolf-bounty-hunter

Raptor RTX1-O is not flagged as featured in TR:CI, and is, on page 94-95:
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2647/raptor-rtx1-o

[Kerfuffin(925)]

not sure if this is really the right place but worth a shot.

is it known if the forthcoming (soon*) new MUL site will allow for the ship cards to be shown?

if i recall correctly there were some things mentioned about cards being incorrect

[Sartris]

Unknown at this time

[ShroudedSciuridae]

New/Missing Units

HTP New Dallas p. 15
ComStar HPG Monitoring Satellite (or something similar)

Likely similar in statistics to the QR 243 Relay Satellite but without the Clan-tech and with ComStar availability in the Early Succession War. These were "placed by ComStar after the Second Succession War to watch former Hegemony worlds." The inclusion of the HPG required to alert ComStar/WoB on Terra to incursions on dead Hegemony worlds separates this enough from normal surveillance satellites to justify an individual entry.

ProtoMech  Erinyes Bella from BattleCorps "Rehab". No statistics, likely unique, intro year no later than 3068. As an aside trying to build it fails unless you liberally interpret "gained a bit of weight" to mean bumping from 2 tons to 5 tons. Then you lose the JJ, add MASC, M-Pod, MicroPulse and armor.  You're left with a pretty vicious 6/9[12] little bugger.

[Yemeshi]

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2384/owens-ow-1
Owens OW-1 (only the base model, none of the omni variants) appears on the Clan Nova Cat list in Jihad era.
Should this be removed?

[Sartris]

http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2384/owens-ow-1
Owens OW-1 (only the base model, none of the omni variants) appears on the Clan Nova Cat list in Jihad era.
Should this be removed?

Yeah. Nova cats are probably next to either the capellans or comstar on the list and accidentally got shift+clicked

[Sartris]

Yeah. Nova cats are probably next to either the capellans or comstar on the list and accidentally got shift+clicked

Reviewing this. It may have been intentional and not fully implemented. We’ll provide an update at a later time

[danilapal]

Unit : Clan Foot Point (Basic) (MG)
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/9590/clan-foot-point-basic-mg

Problem : Faction Availability (Clan Invasion) : "Inner Sphere General" .
Solution : change to "IS Clan General"

[Sartris]

Just when you think you caught all of them…

Thanks

[Stinger]

Issue: Kamisori R http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/9335/kamisori-light-tank-r

Unit is armed with just a Plasma Cannon and should have AS damage values of 0/0/0 not 1/0/0.  PV Remains the same.

https://mordel.net/tro.php?a=vt&ut=cv&id=508&fltr=qf.000.Designer~Contains~Catalyst%20Game%20Labs~qf.000.Name%2FModel~Contains~Kamisori%20Light%20Tank%20R

                 Alpha Strike Conversion

Name/Model:         Kamisori Light Tank R
Technology:         Inner Sphere (Mixed)
Tonnage:            20
Configuration:      Tracked OmniVehicle

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Determine Unit Type
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  Ground Units:                  Combat Vehicle                                                         =       CV
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Final Unit Type:                                                                                                CV

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Determine Weight/Size Class
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  Tonnage:                       20 (less than 40)                                                      =        1
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Final Weight/Size Class:                                                                                         1

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Convert Movement and Movement Modes
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  Ground Movement:               6 (Cruise)                                                             =      12"
     Tracked Motive Type                                                                                =     12"t
     Ground Target Movement Modifier at 12" is 2                                                                 
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Final Movement and Movement Modes:                                                                            12"t

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Determine Short Range Damage Value
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  Offensive Equipment:                                                                                  =    0.000
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Final Short Range Damage Value:                                                                                  0

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Determine Medium Range Damage Value
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  Offensive Equipment:                                                                                  =    0.000
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Final Medium Range Damage Value:                                                                                 0

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Determine Long Range Damage Value
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  Offensive Equipment:                                                                                  =    0.000
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Final Long Range Damage Value:                                                                                   0

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Convert Armor
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  Heavy Ferro-Fibrous:           109 armor points x 1                                          109.000  =  109.000
     Armor Factor Conversion                                                              (/)       30  =    3.633
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Final Armor Value:                                                                                               4

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Convert Structure
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  Standard:                      10 structure points                                            10.000  =   10.000
     Structure Conversion                                                                 (/)       10  =    1.000
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Final Structure Value:                                                                                           1

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Determine Special Abilities
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  Unit contains no explosive components                                                                 =      ENE
  Unit is equipped with forward facing incendiary weapons                                               =  HT1/1/1
  Unit utilizes modular (Omni) technology                                                               =     OMNI
  Unit is a Combat Vehicle                                                                              =     SRCH

==================================================================================================================
Determine Point Value
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  Unit's Offensive Value:                                                                                         
     Attack Damage Factor        0 (Short) + 0 (Medium) + 0 (Medium) + 0 (Long)                         =    0.000
     Special Ability Factor      [HT1/1/1] 1 (Max Rating) + 0.5 (Medium > 0)              (+)    1.500  =    1.500
     Blanket Offensive Modifier  1 (Base)                                                 (*)    1.000  =    1.500
                                                                                                                 
  Defensive Interaction Rating:                                                                                   
     Armor Factor                4 (Armor) x 1.8 (Tracked)                                              =    7.200
     Structure Factor            1 (Structure) x 1.0 (Other Unit)                         (+)    1.000  =    8.200
     Defense Factor              1 + {[2 (12" Move)] x 0.1}                               (*)    1.200  =    9.840
     Final DIR                   Round to nearest half point                                            =   10.000
                                                                                                                 
  Unit's Defensive Value:                                                                                         
     Movement Factor             1.5 (0.25 per 2")                                                      =    1.500
     Final DIR                   Defensive Interaction Rating                             (+)   10.000  =   11.500
                                                                                                                 
  Unit's Final Point Value:                                                                                       
     Offensive Value                                                                                    =    1.500
     Defensive Value                                                                      (+)   11.500  =   13.000
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Final Point Value:                                                                                              13

[nckestrel]

Issue: Kamisori R http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/9335/kamisori-light-tank-r

Correct, thanks.  Will get updated when we can update the MUL again.