Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - READ THE FIRST POST

[nckestrel]

Has any progress been made toward the record sheet project? Will only a limited selection be available or is everything going to be available?

We're not able to provide updates on the new MUL project.  Our team deals with the data, not the technical aspects of the site. The Tuesday Newsday was going to have an update on the new MUL from the digital projects lead, but his appearance was postponed.  I don't know if/when that will be rescheduled.

[pascal]

Duplicate dash in Specials
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7227 Foot Platoon, Marian 3049+ (1/4) (Flamer)

Units with spaces in the Specials (there's probably more)
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7477 BattleMaster C 3
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7550 Ryoken (Stormcrow) T
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7521 Marauder II MAD-6C

Units with lowercase Type/TP (there's probably more)
http://masterunitlist.info/Tools/CustomCard/9538 Shadow Hawk SHD-3H2

Units with /-SPC in the Specials
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/306 Batu B
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/309 Batu Prime

Missing Stats (I think this is expected for some units?)
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/8117 Star Dagger S-2B
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/8119 Transit TR-9
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/8152 Sturmblitz Assault Gun (2500 Upgrade)

Only Named Pilot with Pilot Special Abilities I came cross (probably doesn't matter?)
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7425 Wolfhound (Lucian Finn)

[pascal]

I also noticed that the sort order for Clan mechs is wonky, typically you see unique mechs first, and then the regular ones, with the Prime variant somewhere in the middle...

Assuming the MUL has an SQL database in the backend, something along these lines should fix it:


SELECT * FROM Units
    WHERE Name LIKE "%Dire Wolf%"
    ORDER BY
        Name ASC,
        CASE WHEN Model LIKE "Prime" THEN "1"
             WHEN Model LIKE """%" THEN "3"
             WHEN Model LIKE "(%" THEN "4"
             ELSE "2"
        END ASC,
        Model ASC


This makes some assumptions about schema, so some adaptation will likely be needed.

[Centurian99]

The Alpha Strike stats for the Balius omnimech look...odd.  even taking into account the heat dissipation issues, the damage/OV numbers looks really low.

The prime, B, C, and D look particularly odd. 

[Weirdo]

Hello,
The Union and Mule Pockets WarShip are listed as Extinct after the Jihad, but appear on the following RATs:

Union PWS

FM: 3085 – Former Free Worlds League General, Taurian Concordat
ER: 3145: Former Free Worlds League, Lyran Commonwealth, Taurian Concordat
FM: 3145 - Free Worlds League, Lyran Commonwealth, Mercenary, Taurian Concordat
Tamar Rising - Lyran Commonwealth, Mercenary
Dominions Divided - Taurian Concordat
Empire Alone - Free Worlds League, Duchy of Andurien, Marian Hegemony

Mule PWS

FM: 3085 – Former Free Worlds League General, Taurian Concordat, Periphery, Mercenary
ER: 3145: Former Free Worlds League, Periphery General, Taurian Concordat
FM: 3145 - Free Worlds League, Periphery General, Taurian Concordat
Tamar Rising – Periphery General
Empire Alone - Marian Hegemony
Dominions Divided – Republic of the Sphere, Taurian Concordat

I know that RATs aren't normally considered in the MUL, but that's a LOT, especially for ships that are listed as not existing at all in these eras. Considering how little production information is usually published about space assets and the extreme span of time such vessels can serve as long as they're not actually blown to bits, perhaps an exception might be made for these?

Thanks!

[Sartris]

Their inclusion on RATs would at least preclude extinction

[danilapal]

Unit : Victor C
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3403/victor-c

Problem : In Alpha Strike card this mech has CASE special rule , but not in Record Sheet .
Solution (?) : remove CASE special rule
 
Source (Classic Record sheet) : https://bg.battletech.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Victor_C.pdf
Source (Alpha Strike) :http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Card/3403?skill=4

[Weirdo]

Their inclusion on RATs would at least preclude extinction

Sweet, thanks!

[nckestrel]

Unit : Victor C
Problem : In Alpha Strike card this mech has CASE special rule , but not in Record Sheet .

Thanks, will remove the CASE when we can update the MUL again. (No change to PV).

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

DVS-2 Devastator has an availability for the Early Succession Wars Era (for Clan Smoke Jaguar, no less) despite its introduction date of 3048 in the Late Succession Wars Era.

[mordel]

The Alpha Strike stats for the Balius omnimech look...odd.  even taking into account the heat dissipation issues, the damage/OV numbers looks really low.

The prime, B, C, and D look particularly odd.

The stats look fine based on our calculations. If you'd care to show stats to the contrary, we'd be happy to see them.

[Hellraiser]

DVS-2 Devastator has an availability for the Early Succession Wars Era (for Clan Smoke Jaguar, no less) despite its introduction date of 3048 in the Late Succession Wars Era.

Kerensky had the prototypes with him.
They even made a few more & modified them.

DVS-2-EC
Several Devastators were hand-built by Clan technicians for Operation Klondike. These used Improved Gauss Rifles and carried two more tons of Gauss ammunition (four tons total). Later Clan Wolverine would overhaul the weapons completely, leaving the Improved Gauss Rifles in place (adding CASE to the arms for protection), but trading the PPCs for Enhanced ER PPCs and the medium lasers for ER medium lasers. To handle the massive heat load, twenty Clan-spec double heat sinks were installed. (Note: EC is an abbreviation used by historians to designate "Early Clan" designs.)[11] BV (2.0) = 2,699[12]

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

The DVS-2-EC has it's own separate entry in the MUL.

[ThePPCMightier]

The Jagatai Prime has the ENE ability even though it is armed with an LRM-20. Also potentially questionable; the Jengiz E has one-shot SRMs which may or may not disqualify it from having ENE.

[CJKeys]

Demolisher Heavy Tank Mk I is missing an Alpha Strike card. There is a BV listed, and a record sheet source.

[Daryk]

I've noticed that the Nighthawk PA(L) (at least) doesn't have its tonnage adjusted for squad size (the force builder just gives the weight of a single suit).

[Sartris]

That's true for all BA

[Daryk]

Is that as intended, then?

[Sartris]

Yes. Unlike conventional infantry, BA has variable squad sizes

[Daryk]

Ah, roger!  Thanks for the quick answer! :)

[Tumult and Travail]

One for the backlog:

TechManual p. 92, part of a section framed as a Canopian Institute of War Press book from 3067, lists off the Ferret Light Scout VTOL as a standard Canopian recon/scouting vehicle: a bunch of fancier vehicles "aren’t generally available in the MAF, but our combination of Ferrets, Ravens and Pack Rat long-range patrol vehicles handles the same tasks admirably."

No variant of the Ferret is on the Canopian lists for the Civil War or Jihad eras.

[pokefan548]

All of the Nova configs appear to be unavailable to Clan Hell's Horses during the Early Succession Wars. Pretty odd for the Horses' own invention, and their iconic first Omni.

[danilapal]

Unit: Annihilator C "Gausszilla"
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/44/annihilator-c-gausszilla

Issue : Wrong (?) Faction Availability (probably "unique")
 
Historical: Operation Klondike , p173
Notable MechWarriors
Star Colonel Bryan Kabrinski: Sharing the same name as
his biological grandfather, Star Colonel Kabrinski was a legend in
his time—outspoken and innovative, he led his Clan to victory
after victory during the Golden Century, winning for the Ghost Bears several OmniMech designs as well as more than a score of
genetic legacies. Even more legendary, however, was the ’Mech
he supposedly commanded in his most important trials—known
as “Gausszilla,” it was an Annihilator that somehow mounted an
astounding five Gauss rifles. The ’Mech itself was lost to history, but
his exploits at its controls continue to fuel tall tales throughout the
Clan homeworlds and the Ghost Bear Dominion.

Bump

[Kyler999]

Misspelled
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5104/specter-surveillance-plane

The Specter Surveillance Plane is listed as the Spectre in the TechManual. When it came up with no hits while searching the PDF I found the mistake.

[CReller]

For the Wolfhound (Allard) and Wolfhound (Lucian Finn) unique wolfhounds the Lucian Finn is listed as using the same record sheet as the Allard Wolfhound but has slightly different stats, having OV 1 as opposed to OV 0.

In addition, the Wolfhound (Lucian Finn) card has two SPAs listed (Multi-taker and Speed Demon). Is this an error or something that comes with the mech?

Finally, I also can't find the source of the Lucian Finn Wolfhound in either the TRO or the RS pack listed. Not sure if that is an edition error on my end or something else.

Note: I noticed the Luican Finn SPA issues were brought up by Pascal, but I'll leave them in this post to give 'em a bump.

[Sartris]

It comes from one of the old Alpha Strike Lance packs (2013-14 vintage)