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Locked at 50 pages.  See the new thread at:

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=47774.0




This thread is for all error reports and suggestions for the MUL online database, as found at:

http://www.masterunitlist.info/

Some notes - read before posting:

 - How do I log in?  You can't.  The login is only for site administrators.
 - As this covers suggestions as well as errors, discussion is allowed in this thread.
 - This database does NOT include any unit lacking a current Catalyst record sheet.  Units currently missing from the MUL almost certainly fall in this category.  Please do NOT report any such unit as missing.
 - Also not currently included is availability info for the Homeworld Clans, or any Dark Age availability for units not in TR 3085.
 - The entire Camospecs/Ironwind Metals feature is still being worked on (as in: the entire way it works could change).  We're not going to be dealing with individual issues on this for a while.
 - Corrections not touching on the above are welcome.  However, please provide a page number and/or direct quote to support your case.  "Faction X should have this because I said so" is less than helpful and will likely be ignored.
 - If you have corrections for a unit entry, include a direct MUL link to the unit in question in your report.
 - If it's a BV correction, please enclose or attach your entire BV calculation and how you made it (by hand, SSW, MML, Heavy Metal etc; include version number of any software used).

Please keep your posts concise and polite.  Posts that do not follow these rules will be deleted.  Thank you.

WHAT IS THE MUL?
- The Master Unit List is an official Catalyst product, one that Catalyst provides for free to its fans.  It is every bit as official as any TRO or sourcebook, if not more in many cases.

- The MUL undergoes continuous amount of fact check and is constantly being updated.  So unlike a static print TRO, the MUL is able to be updated should something change.  If a unit appears on the MUL, then enough validation was done to determine that "Yes, this unit existed and is not pure rumour."

- This does not mean that said unit will ever see its stats published: that is not the purpose of the MUL.  While the MUL does serve as a very useful resource for Battle Value, Alpha Strike stats, and image art, the MUL's primary purpose is to provide a list of all known units in the universe, and their faction availability.

- That something is not on the MUL does not mean it does not exist.  The concept of "the needs of fiction" still apply to the BattleTech universe.  Not every factory, vehicle and handgun in the universe has been documented, nor will they ever be.  The MUL is what we know: what has been documented in canon. 

- Sarna.net is not a canon source.  If Sarna lists a Mech and the MUL doesn't, then the MUL is most likely correct (though we certainly do make mistakes).  The MUL has access to internal information that Sarna does not.



Project Updates:
Inner Sphere BattleMechs of the Republic and Jihad Faction Lists are Gold Release
We are happy to announce that we have declared the Inner Sphere BattleMech lists on the Republic and Jihad era faction lists as "complete".  This means we will not be making wholesale changes to these faction lists anymore.  For all published units, the list is considered complete.

That is not to say there are not errors.  We will continue to make error corrections based on reported errata.  But because these are now considered complete, the bar for errata reporting is much higher.
« Last Edit: 23 February 2016, 20:31:40 by Xotl »
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1 on: 04 June 2011, 15:41:02 »
I have found two units that seems a bit buggy:
Clan Space Marine Clan Snow Raven Warships Marines, ""
and
Clan Space Marine Clan Snow Raven Warships Marines, ??

- First, there is the garbage characters at the end ("" and ??).
- Second, neither units have any faction availability listed.
- Third, it is most like supposed to be only one unit as only one record sheet exists in RS3085 Cutting Edge.
- Fourth, "Warships Marines" does not sound right. Suggests a change to either "Warship Marines" or "Warship's Marines".
« Last Edit: 04 June 2011, 15:42:38 by Xotl »

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #2 on: 04 June 2011, 16:18:46 »
Fenris (Ice Ferret) U:

Tonnage incorrectly listed as 40t, Fenris is a 45t Omni.
 

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-- Elias Crichell

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #3 on: 04 June 2011, 16:20:26 »
One Feature Request and one Usability Issue:

(feature request) Having to adjust the Name, Piloting & Gunnery of the Mechwarrior and see the BV increase as per the TechManual errata (as per the pilot skill chart) woud be very nice.

(usability issue) I tried this on my iPhone and it was difficult to read and work with--a mobile version would be very helpful too (in time, I know you've got a flood of requests).

PS: Also having Clan Pilots & Gunners having their appropriate default skills (example: Mechwarriors being gunner/piloting 3/4 by default) would make it easier too--as suggested on another thread, having the base Mech Values and the adjusted mech values on the mech search might be a good idea.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #4 on: 04 June 2011, 16:35:22 »
Error: I am unable to remove a unit from a force list. Clicking the Remove Unit button reloads the page, but does not remove anything. Also, I am unable to save an existing force list. I saved it after adding the first unit, but have been unable to save it since.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #5 on: 04 June 2011, 17:10:36 »
The following mechs have a dropship picture:
- Behemoth (Stone Rhino) (Standard)
- Behemoth (Stone Rhino) 2
- Behemoth (Stone Rhino) 3
This is obviously incorrect, and the right one should be found in TRO3055U.

EDIT:

The Goliath availability is strange with Clans having access to Goliaths during the Jihad, but not during the Republic. This does stand out since in many clans this is the only modern Inner Sphere mech they have access to.
The following mech - Clan pairings have been spotted that needs to be checked for correctness:
GOL-6H - Clan Wolf
GOL-5D - Clan Snow Raven
GOL-5W - Clan Snow Raven
GOL-2H - Clan Hell's Horses
GOL-3M - Clan Jade Falcon
GOL-4S - Clan Nova Cat
GOL-5S - Clan Nova Cat

« Last Edit: 04 June 2011, 17:28:31 by Neufeld »

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #6 on: 04 June 2011, 17:21:48 »
Stoat Scout Car has a Scout JumpShip picture.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #7 on: 04 June 2011, 17:32:03 »
The ability to select multiple criteria in the advanced search - already mentioned in the context of specifying two or more factions - would be wonderful if extended to all the advanced search criteria. Eg. it would be great if we could list equipment for both Introductory and Standard rules levels, or for 4th SW & Clan Invasion eras, at the same time.

But well done! A truly heroic challenge is being met.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #8 on: 04 June 2011, 18:01:11 »
1) Commando mech has a wrong picture (capellan infantry).
2) Ostwar 2M is not listed as an era specific/primitive design. it's  listed as a standard design. it's also listed as a star league design
while it should be an age of war design.
I guess the problem arises from the MUL PDF which has 2 Ostwar 2M in them.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #9 on: 04 June 2011, 18:10:16 »
The following mechs have a dropship picture:
- Behemoth (Stone Rhino) (Standard)
- Behemoth (Stone Rhino) 2
- Behemoth (Stone Rhino) 3
This is obviously incorrect, and the right one should be found in TRO3055U.

Fixed the images.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #10 on: 04 June 2011, 18:22:25 »
Prowler Multi-Terrain Vehicle (all variants) use the image of the Prowler Solaris 7 battlemech.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #11 on: 04 June 2011, 18:24:35 »
Stoat Scout Car has a Scout JumpShip picture.

Updated with the pic from XTR:Primitives I

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #12 on: 04 June 2011, 18:27:00 »
The Following mechs have images of the Marauder IIC 2-
Marauder IIC (Standard)
Marauder IIC 8
Marauder IIC 4-7

and the Marauder IIC 3 has the Image of the Marauder IIC 7

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #13 on: 04 June 2011, 18:29:38 »
Prowler Multi-Terrain Vehicle (all variants) use the image of the Prowler Solaris 7 battlemech.

Updated

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #14 on: 04 June 2011, 18:37:33 »
The Following mechs have images of the Marauder IIC 2-
Marauder IIC (Standard)
Marauder IIC 8
Marauder IIC 4-7

and the Marauder IIC 3 has the Image of the Marauder IIC 7

7 updated, 3 updated, the rest have to take what I had which is the 2

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« Reply #15 on: 04 June 2011, 19:12:13 »
George,

You're doing a great job! If you're overloaded or need any help, feel free to contact me--I volunteer well :)

Also, I'm honored than you visited my Blog and made mention of the new site being up and going--I'll be posting about that tonight.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #16 on: 04 June 2011, 20:12:23 »
The ability to select multiple criteria in the advanced search - already mentioned in the context of specifying two or more factions - would be wonderful if extended to all the advanced search criteria. Eg. it would be great if we could list equipment for both Introductory and Standard rules levels, or for 4th SW & Clan Invasion eras, at the same time.

But well done! A truly heroic challenge is being met.

W.

Done, once I figured out how to actually do it I just had to apply it to all of the various field choices.  So now you can multi select on all the advanced fields!  I also added the ability to up the number of records displayed to 10, 25, 50, 75, or 100 and the new default is now 25.


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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #17 on: 04 June 2011, 20:24:06 »
I thought the Starslayer 3D models were available to the Federated Suns, by preference over the -3C model.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #18 on: 04 June 2011, 20:41:44 »
This is so awesome. Thanks for all your hard work. [notworthy]


As a suggestion, it would be nice to be able to have more than 20 units in a force, and/or have the ability to save all search results to a file (for example: if I want to have a printed list of all mechs available to a faction ever).


Again, great work and major props.

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« Reply #19 on: 04 June 2011, 20:46:53 »
The entry for the Ferret (all variants) has the Scout (Jumpship) for a picture, or at least did yesterday when I was looking at it (I noticed you fixed another vehicle with the same problem).
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #20 on: 05 June 2011, 02:04:50 »
Hello,

perhaps you could check some 'Mechs:

buccaneer- wrong picture

bushwacker - x2 listed as unique

Ceremonial Guard Caesar's Royal Guard, Marian Hegemony - wrong picture

commando - wrong picture

defiance - wrong picture

eagle -  wrong picture

eidolon - missing picture

excalibur - wrong picture

Galahad original GLH - wrong picture

Heavy Jump Infantry Royal Gurkha Battalion, 4th Regulan Hussars - wrong faction (available to everyone?)

hercules - wrong picture

sarissa - listed as unique

missing Shadow hawk SHD-7M

Titan TI-1A - wrong picture


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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #21 on: 05 June 2011, 02:37:30 »
Cauldron-Born (Ebon Jaguar):

Uses some ugly picture instead of the one in the TRO.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #22 on: 05 June 2011, 02:59:20 »
Night Gyr - TRO mentions, that Clan Goliath Scorpion and Star Adder field some. Maybe add them to faction list?

Black Lanner - TRO says it has spread to Ice Hellions and Steel Vipers.

Errata Coordinator: as noted in the first post, the Homeworld Clans are not properly included at this time.  Please do not report issues regarding them.  Thank you.


Cauldron-Born (Ebon Jaguar):

Uses some ugly picture instead of the one in the TRO.

That's the image from Field Manual - Invading Clans. Please, keep it as is, it's nice.

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« Reply #23 on: 05 June 2011, 04:08:34 »
Suggestion: Add the old MUL back to the Download page as an alternative source. [EDIT: I'm referencing the XL spreadsheet database, not the beta MUL released a few months back.]

Since the old MUL is the only comprehensive source for dates of manufacture, it's appropriate that the old MUL still be available for download. While some will definitely find this new database compelling, it creates a lot more work for people like myself who run period-specific campaigns, forcing you to read through the TRO to fish out this data. That defeats the entire purpose of an MUL, IMO.
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« Reply #24 on: 05 June 2011, 04:12:33 »
The Marian Hegemony has access to the Penthesilea while the Magistracy has not.

The Marian Hegemony has access to Assault Commando Ebon Magistrate Shocktroops.

Assassin Battlemech showing wrong picture

Merlin Battlemech showing wrong picture

Armored Personal Carrier (all versions): Showing wrong pictures and the base versions are not available to all factions.

Heavy APC ( tracked, hover, wheeled): Base versions not available to all factions.

Karnov UR Transport: Base version version is not available to all factions.

AC 2 Carrier, Laser Carrier, MRM Carrier and AC2 Carrier LBX: Showing wrong picture
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« Reply #25 on: 05 June 2011, 05:39:49 »
Axel - missing picture, use Rommel/Patton image

Bandit - missing picture

Burke - image of Burke with two PPC barrels instead of 3 is wrong, try change it for better one, but could stay with HPPC variant (this uses 2 HPPCs)

Devastator Heavy tank - wrong picture of Devastator 'Mech

Fox Armored Car - wrong picture of warship

Thunder fox - wrong image of Thunder 'Mech

Gürteltier - check spelling of Gürteltier

marsden - missing picture

phalanx tank - missing picture

Striker tank - maybe use image of six-wheeled Striker for 3058+ variants ?

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« Reply #26 on: 05 June 2011, 06:55:38 »
Done, once I figured out how to actually do it I just had to apply it to all of the various field choices.  So now you can multi select on all the advanced fields!  I also added the ability to up the number of records displayed to 10, 25, 50, 75, or 100 and the new default is now 25.

Now that's service! Thanks muchly.

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« Reply #27 on: 05 June 2011, 07:39:02 »
Blackjack battlemech & Blackjack Omnimech both using picture for Blackjack battlemech. Change picture for BJ2-O Omnimech & configurations to that used in TRO3058U.

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« Reply #28 on: 05 June 2011, 07:48:56 »
I thought the Starslayer 3D models were available to the Federated Suns, by preference over the -3C model.

source?  tr3058u just says the 3d is favored on the clan front, nothing about FS preference.
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« Reply #29 on: 05 June 2011, 11:36:18 »
Hey there, this has already been posted, however as it's a big glitch thought I'd mention it again! Once a force list is saved, you can't then add to it and save again, also the remove unit function doesn't do anything.

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