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It was actually acting as a tug, not actually towing.
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53s are powerful, but not quite THAT powerful... ;)

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Neither is a Citroen C3, but but Clarkson made it happen - even the tiniest of tugs will stack up over time. 
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You know, the F-16 reminds me of the MiG-21 where all of the additional conformal fuel tanks and avionics spines and external tanks makes it easy to overlook just how slick the original design is when flying clean.





MiG-21 'Bison'


'Lancer'


Early MiG-21F-13 (Vietnam War-era, like the original but with missile capability added)


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Good article on the differences between the AH-64E and AH-1Z. Other than the recurrence of the term "rotar".   :rolleyes:

Plus, it has pictures!










You know, the F-16 reminds me of the MiG-21 where all of the additional conformal fuel tanks and avionics spines and external tanks makes it easy to overlook just how slick the original design is when flying clean.

You tell the truth, and that second F-16 is a purty beast indeed. But the F-16I has a certain je ne sais quoi:



One with stars and bars, which you don't see every day.
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Something you don't see every day:



UH-60 crashing at Texas A&M in early 2009.

Or an AH-64 going the wrong way:



And a short video of a Sea King crashing upon approach:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDtvvT5xv7Q

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This video is from the destroyer USS Cushing, on station in the Northern Arabian Gulf. Miraculously, all seven passengers onboard were recovered. Note how the tail rotor seems to seize or stop during the approach, causing the body of the helicopter to rotate out of control.

Dangerous business, flight ops.
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When I needed something good.                                         One day we'll reveal the truth,                    Will you sing my hallelujah?
At 17, I had a better dream; now I'm 33, and it isn't me.      That one will die before he gets there.       Will you tell me when it's done?
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Very true!  Some plat camera footage I saw as it happened, shortly before I went straight to the bridge (they turned off the feed right after it went into the catwalk): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkH32mf_iVE

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Any sailor or pilot who says they aren't afraid of the weather is a damn liar
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Apache pilots shows off in Afghanistan, fortunately there were no casualties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FguAOoUg3ZY
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Any sailor or pilot who says they aren't afraid of the weather is a damn liar
Very true!  I lost count of the number of waterspouts I saw off the Virginia Capes.

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Any sailor or pilot who says they aren't afraid of the weather is a damn liar
What about the bubbleheads?
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Unless they're on final patrol, they gotta surface some time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMCS_Chicoutimi_(SSK_879)#October_2004_fire

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I've felt the deck pitch deep under a typhoon, and subs on the surface are very vulnerable to sea state.

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What about the bubbleheads?
Unless you can feel it at patrol depth, weather didn't matter much in my experience.

Of course, being in port, 35 F and rainy is the most miserable place I've been.
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35 and rainy is shorts, a windbreaker and scarf for me these days.  The worst I've experienced is dry dock in winter at Groton, CT.  I gave up my rack and retreated to the wardroom (which had a portable heater blowing into it).  The bench wasn't really comfortable, but that little bit of extra heat made ALL the difference...  When the steam's out, boats are COLD.

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A big mass of metal sitting in cold water?  That makes sense.
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Worse... a big mass of metal sitting in the cold air for weeks on end.

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It certainly puts all those 19th Century Northwest Passage explorers getting iced-in into perspective. A large mass of wood in even colder weather for months is almost certainly hellish!

No matter what, cold is cold. I feel for you guys. I wouldn't want to be on a boat or ship for a long period regardless of the weather. :wink:
Thought I might get a rocket ride when I was a child.          We are the wild youth,                                And through villages of ether
But it was a lie, that I told myself                                          Chasing visions of our futures.                   Oh, my crucifixion comes
When I needed something good.                                         One day we'll reveal the truth,                    Will you sing my hallelujah?
At 17, I had a better dream; now I'm 33, and it isn't me.      That one will die before he gets there.       Will you tell me when it's done?
But I'd think of something better if I could
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Rough landings for that COD and Apache both, but eminently worse for the latter. Glad everyone at least survived the paired experiences.
Thought I might get a rocket ride when I was a child.          We are the wild youth,                                And through villages of ether
But it was a lie, that I told myself                                          Chasing visions of our futures.                   Oh, my crucifixion comes
When I needed something good.                                         One day we'll reveal the truth,                    Will you sing my hallelujah?
At 17, I had a better dream; now I'm 33, and it isn't me.      That one will die before he gets there.       Will you tell me when it's done?
But I'd think of something better if I could
                           --E. Tonra                                                      --C. Love
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It certainly puts all those 19th Century Northwest Passage explorers getting iced-in into perspective. A large mass of wood in even colder weather for months is almost certainly hellish!

No matter what, cold is cold. I feel for you guys. I wouldn't want to be on a boat or ship for a long period regardless of the weather. :wink:

Wood doesn't conduct cold as readily as metal does, but yeah.  Especially since due to the flammability of wooden ships there were typical serious restrictions on fires.
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Indeed. The point is, being on a ship in cold weather is probably unfortunate.
Thought I might get a rocket ride when I was a child.          We are the wild youth,                                And through villages of ether
But it was a lie, that I told myself                                          Chasing visions of our futures.                   Oh, my crucifixion comes
When I needed something good.                                         One day we'll reveal the truth,                    Will you sing my hallelujah?
At 17, I had a better dream; now I'm 33, and it isn't me.      That one will die before he gets there.       Will you tell me when it's done?
But I'd think of something better if I could
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Wood doesn't conduct cold as readily as metal does, but yeah.  Especially since due to the flammability of wooden ships there were typical serious restrictions on fires.
IIRC several of the later ones had steam engines aboard. not to run propulsion, but to generate hot water in the boiler, which would be circulated through pipes around the ship to keep things warm. and to help cook hot beverages and food.

didn't help the Franklin expedition in the long run though.

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That's because the pipes were lead.
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So was the canned food.
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The lead soldering of the tin cans was exponentially worse than the lead pipes, whose danger is grossly overstated anyway, as lead pipes wouldn't leak more than trace amounts in the lifetime of user and that is not taking into account mineral buildup in the pipes.
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Lead pipes, and lead solder, weren't the problem. Lead doesn't dissolve easily in water. The problem is mild acids. Consider that the Romans used lead cups to hold wine & drink wine out of, and lead bowls to boil down unfermented grape juice. Both lead to the formation of lead carbonate, which dissolved easily, and had a pleasant sweet taste of its own which the Romans liked.

SO depending on what was in the tin, this may not have been a problem. Early tins weren't tin - they were iron, and rusted, which was bad for the food inside. So they gave it a 'wash' of tin, which prevented rusting - but if you dented the can, this broke the layer, which led to the iron underneath rusting, and the food spoiling. Remember, fellow oldies, being told not to pick dented cans? That's the memory of that.

Cans now are steel (which doesn't rust unless badly made, or badly treated), or aluminium (which doesn't rust due to forming a protective layer of oxide.) Either way, denting a modern can lightly is not a risk.
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further discussion of it probably belongs in the naval thread, since it has no real relation to aircraft.
link:
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,83041.msg1978358.html#msg1978358

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Something from a news feed I get... thought I share.

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is cobbling together intact chassis parts from damaged aircraft something normal for the airforce, or is this something they're doing because of the low number of F-35's they currently have in service?

(also.. did they ever find that missing F-35?)

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It happens more often than you would think, going back to at least WWII, where it was exceedingly commonplace.

The one where the pilot landed and called 911? Sure, they found that one.
Thought I might get a rocket ride when I was a child.          We are the wild youth,                                And through villages of ether
But it was a lie, that I told myself                                          Chasing visions of our futures.                   Oh, my crucifixion comes
When I needed something good.                                         One day we'll reveal the truth,                    Will you sing my hallelujah?
At 17, I had a better dream; now I'm 33, and it isn't me.      That one will die before he gets there.       Will you tell me when it's done?
But I'd think of something better if I could
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