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Star League WarShips, but SMOL!
« on: 23 September 2023, 16:31:25 »
Backstory: For those who don't know, the massive cargo holds seen on some star league ships were essentially an out of universe accident. More accurately, the stats for these ships were originally written without rules, and the later construction rules first published in battlespace had to be written around them. When this meant ships like the hilariously overgunned Black Lion alongside ships like the Soyuz or Congress, that meant the latter ships ended up with massive massive cargo holds.

So anyway, I took the most egregious examples of this phenomenon and shrank them down as much as possible, changing none of the game impacting stats except their tonnage and their cargo capacity. The results are below.

(and yes, I know there is a compelling often suggested justification for Star League ships to carry so much cargo, but that's not what this is about. This is for fun)

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Vincent Corvette Mk 39c
Mass: 100,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 2750
Mass: 100,000
Battle Value: 15,822
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-X-E-F
Cost: 3,881,102,000 C-bills

Fuel: 500 tons (5,000)
Safe Thrust: 4
Maximum Thrust: 6
Sail Integrity: 3
KF Drive Integrity: 4
Heat Sinks: 493
Structural Integrity: 40

Armor
    Nose: 16
    Fore Sides: 19/19
    Aft Sides: 19/19
    Aft: 16

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Small Craft (4)         1 Door   
    Bay 2:  Fighter (6)             2 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (13793.0 tons)    1 Door   

Ammunition:
    200 rounds of NAC/10 ammunition (40 tons),
    20 rounds of Barracuda ammunition (600 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 0
Grav Decks: 1 (60 m)
Escape Pods: 8
Life Boats: 0
Crew:  28 officers, 107 enlisted/non-rated, 24 gunners, 32 bay personnel

Notes: Mounts 70 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                    Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                              Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (20 Heat)
2 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)  20   4(40)   4(40)   4(40)    4(40)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (20 shots)
FRS/FLS (46 Heat)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)             30   10(100) 10(100) 10(100)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/10 Ammo (50 shots)
2 Large Laser                           16   2(16)   2(16)    0(0)     0(0)   Laser       
RBS/LBS (46 Heat)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)             30   10(100) 10(100) 10(100)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/10 Ammo (50 shots)
2 Large Laser                           16   2(16)   2(16)    0(0)     0(0)   Laser       
   
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Essex IIc Destroyer (2711)
Mass: 220,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 2711
Mass: 220,000
Battle Value: 67,065
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-X-E-F
Cost: 4,588,386,800 C-bills

Fuel: 600 tons (3,000)
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Sail Integrity: 4
KF Drive Integrity: 6
Heat Sinks: 746 (1492)
Structural Integrity: 60

Armor
    Nose: 37
    Fore Sides: 37/37
    Aft Sides: 37/35
    Aft: 37

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Fighter (6)             2 Doors   
    Bay 2:  Small Craft (4)         2 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (11135.0 tons)    1 Door   

Ammunition:
    240 rounds of NAC/20 ammunition (96 tons),
    30 rounds of Barracuda ammunition (900 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 0
Grav Decks: 1 (55 m)
Escape Pods: 6
Life Boats: 6
Crew:  35 officers, 142 enlisted/non-rated, 31 gunners, 32 bay personnel

Notes: Mounts 231 tons of improved ferro-aluminum armor.

Weapons:                                    Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                              Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (120 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)             120  40(400) 40(400) 40(400)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (40 shots)
FRS/FLS (190 Heat)
3 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)             180  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (60 shots)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)  10   2(20)   2(20)   2(20)    2(20)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)
RBS/LBS (374 Heat)
2 Naval Laser 35                        104  7(70)   7(70)   7(70)     0(0)   Capital Laser
2 Naval PPC (Medium)                    270  18(180) 18(180) 18(180) 18(180)  Capital PPC
ARS/ALS (374 Heat)
2 Naval Laser 35                        104  7(70)   7(70)   7(70)     0(0)   Capital Laser
2 Naval PPC (Medium)                    270  18(180) 18(180) 18(180) 18(180)  Capital PPC
Aft (250 Heat)
3 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)             180  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (40 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)             60   20(200) 20(200) 20(200)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (40 shots)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)  10   2(20)   2(20)   2(20)    2(20)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)
   
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Lola IIIc Destroyer (2662)
Mass: 330,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 2662
Mass: 330,000
Battle Value: 65,874
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-X-E-F
Cost: 5,055,160,600 C-bills

Fuel: 1,200 tons (3,000)
Safe Thrust: 4
Maximum Thrust: 6
Sail Integrity: 4
KF Drive Integrity: 8
Heat Sinks: 742 (1484)
Structural Integrity: 50

Armor
    Nose: 48
    Fore Sides: 48/48
    Aft Sides: 48/48
    Aft: 48

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Fighter (6)             1 Door   
    Bay 2:  Small Craft (4)         1 Door   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (26976.5 tons)    1 Door   

Ammunition:
    400 rounds of NAC/10 ammunition (80 tons),
    20 rounds of White Shark ammunition (800 tons),
    50 rounds of Barracuda ammunition (1,500 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 0
Grav Decks: 0
Escape Pods: 8
Life Boats: 0
Crew:  38 officers, 143 enlisted/non-rated, 39 gunners, 32 bay personnel

Notes: Mounts 322.5 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                      Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (170 Heat)
2 Naval Laser 55                          170  11(110) 11(110) 11(110) 11(110)  Capital Laser
FRS/FLS (270 Heat)
3 Naval Laser 55                          255  17(165) 17(165) 17(165) 17(165)  Capital Laser
1 Capital Missile Launcher (White Shark)  15   3(30)   3(30)   3(30)    3(30)   Capital Missile
    White Shark Ammo (10 shots)
RBS/LBS (210 Heat)
4 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)               120  40(400) 40(400) 40(400)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/10 Ammo (100 shots)
1 Naval Laser 45                          70   5(45)   5(45)   5(45)    5(45)   Capital Laser
2 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)    20   4(40)   4(40)   4(40)    4(40)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (20 shots)
ARS/ALS (190 Heat)
4 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)               120  40(400) 40(400) 40(400)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/10 Ammo (100 shots)
1 Naval Laser 45                          70   5(45)   5(45)   5(45)    5(45)   Capital Laser
Aft (350 Heat)
4 Naval Laser 55                          340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)    10   2(20)   2(20)   2(20)    2(20)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)
   
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Congress-c Frigate
Mass: 330,000 tons
Use: Convoy Escort/Reconnaissance
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 2570
Mass: 330,000
Battle Value: 65,773
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-X-E-F
Cost: 6,688,373,000 C-bills

Dimensions
    Length: 703 m

Fuel: 2,000 tons (5,000)
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Sail Integrity: 4
KF Drive Integrity: 8
Heat Sinks: 604 (1208)
Structural Integrity: 75

Armor
    Nose: 75
    Fore Sides: 72/72
    Aft Sides: 72/72
    Aft: 75

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Fighter (6)             1 Door   
    Bay 2:  Small Craft (4)         1 Door   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (47233.5 tons)    1 Door   

Ammunition:
    420 rounds of NAC/10 ammunition (84 tons),
    10 rounds of Killer Whale ammunition (500 tons),
    20 rounds of White Shark ammunition (800 tons),
    100 rounds of NAC/30 ammunition (80 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 2
Grav Decks: 1 (90 m)
Escape Pods: 8
Life Boats: 8
Crew:  43 officers, 192 enlisted/non-rated, 21 gunners, 32 bay personnel

Notes: Mounts 487.5 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                       Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                 Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (20 Heat)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Killer Whale)  20   4(40)   4(40)   4(40)    4(40)   Capital Missile
    Killer Whale Ammo (10 shots)
FRS/FLS (60 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)                60   20(200) 20(200) 20(200)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/10 Ammo (70 shots)
RBS/LBS (91 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)                60   20(200) 20(200) 20(200)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/10 Ammo (70 shots)
2 Large Laser                              16   2(16)   2(16)    0(0)     0(0)   Laser       
1 Capital Missile Launcher (White Shark)   15   3(30)   3(30)   3(30)    3(30)   Capital Missile
    White Shark Ammo (10 shots)
ARS/ALS (176 Heat)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                160  50(500) 50(500) 50(500)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/10)
    NAC/10 Ammo (70 shots)
    NAC/30 Ammo (25 shots)
2 Large Laser                              16   2(16)   2(16)    0(0)     0(0)   Laser       
Aft (200 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)                200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (50 shots)
   
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Sovetskii Soyuz-c Heavy Cruiser
Mass: 470,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 2742
Mass: 470,000
Battle Value: 76,180
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-X-E-F
Cost: 8,952,151,200 C-bills

Fuel: 1,400 tons (3,500)
Safe Thrust: 2
Maximum Thrust: 3
Sail Integrity: 4
KF Drive Integrity: 11
Heat Sinks: 1075 (2150)
Structural Integrity: 80

Armor
    Nose: 74
    Fore Sides: 88/88
    Aft Sides: 88/88
    Aft: 68

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Fighter (18)            4 Doors   
    Bay 2:  Small Craft (8)         2 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (79396.5 tons)    1 Door   

Ammunition:
    20 rounds of Killer Whale ammunition (1,000 tons),
    1,200 rounds of NAC/20 ammunition (480 tons),
    40 rounds of Barracuda ammunition (1,200 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 4
Grav Decks: 2 (55 m, 90 m)
Escape Pods: 20
Life Boats: 0
Crew:  44 officers, 167 enlisted/non-rated, 50 gunners, 76 bay personnel

Notes: Mounts 743.5 tons of improved ferro-aluminum armor.

Weapons:                                       Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                 Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (40 Heat)
2 Capital Missile Launcher (Killer Whale)  40   8(80)   8(80)   8(80)    8(80)   Capital Missile
    Killer Whale Ammo (20 shots)
FRS/FLS (850 Heat)
12 Naval Laser 45                          840  54(540) 54(540) 54(540) 54(540)  Capital Laser
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)     10   2(20)   2(20)   2(20)    2(20)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)
RBS/LBS (450 Heat)
3 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)                180  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (300 shots)
2 Naval PPC (Medium)                       270  18(180) 18(180) 18(180) 18(180)  Capital PPC
ARS/ALS (460 Heat)
3 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)                180  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (300 shots)
2 Naval PPC (Medium)                       270  18(180) 18(180) 18(180) 18(180)  Capital PPC
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)     10   2(20)   2(20)   2(20)    2(20)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)
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Cameron-c Battlecruiser
Mass: 550,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 2688
Mass: 550,000
Battle Value: 119,950
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-X-E-F
Cost: 8,029,975,000 C-bills

Fuel: 1,000 tons (2,500)
Safe Thrust: 2
Maximum Thrust: 3
Sail Integrity: 4
KF Drive Integrity: 12
Heat Sinks: 2430 (4860)
Structural Integrity: 80

Armor
    Nose: 120
    Fore Sides: 128/128
    Aft Sides: 128/128
    Aft: 118

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Small Craft (2)         2 Doors   
    Bay 2:  Fighter (16)            4 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (80369.5 tons)    1 Door   

Ammunition:
    32 rounds of AR10 Killer Whale ammunition (1,600 tons),
    200 rounds of NAC/25 ammunition (120 tons),
    24 rounds of AR10 Barracuda ammunition (720 tons),
    24 rounds of AR10 White Shark ammunition (960 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 2
Grav Decks: 2 (75 m, 75 m)
Escape Pods: 30
Life Boats: 20
Crew:  48 officers, 193 enlisted/non-rated, 46 gunners, 42 bay personnel

Notes: Mounts 877.5 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                        Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                  Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (450 Heat)
2 Naval PPC (Heavy)                         450  30(300) 30(300) 30(300) 30(300)  Capital PPC
FRS/FLS (490 Heat)
2 Capital Missile Launcher (AR10 Launcher)  40   4(40)   4(40)   4(40)    4(40)   AR10       
    AR10 Barracuda Ammo (6 shots)
    AR10 Killer Whale Ammo (8 shots)
    AR10 White Shark Ammo (6 shots)
2 Naval PPC (Heavy)                         450  30(300) 30(300) 30(300) 30(300)  Capital PPC
RBS/LBS (496 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/25)                 170  50(500) 50(500) 50(500)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/25 Ammo (25 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/25)                 170  50(500) 50(500) 50(500)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/25 Ammo (25 shots)
3 Naval Laser 35                            156  11(105) 11(105) 11(105)   0(0)   Capital Laser
ARS/ALS (1,000 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/25)                 170  50(500) 50(500) 50(500)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/25 Ammo (25 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/25)                 170  50(500) 50(500) 50(500)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/25 Ammo (25 shots)
2 Naval Laser 55                            170  11(110) 11(110) 11(110) 11(110)  Capital Laser
2 Capital Missile Launcher (AR10 Launcher)  40   4(40)   4(40)   4(40)    4(40)   AR10       
    AR10 Barracuda Ammo (6 shots)
    AR10 Killer Whale Ammo (8 shots)
    AR10 White Shark Ammo (6 shots)
2 Naval PPC (Heavy)                         450  30(300) 30(300) 30(300) 30(300)  Capital PPC
Aft (450 Heat)
2 Naval PPC (Heavy)                         450  30(300) 30(300) 30(300) 30(300)  Capital PPC
   
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Texas-c Battleship
Mass: 1,050,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 2618
Mass: 1,050,000
Battle Value: 118,217
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-X-E-F
Cost: 13,750,717,200 C-bills

Fuel: 1,400 tons (3,500)
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Sail Integrity: 6
KF Drive Integrity: 22
Heat Sinks: 2825 (5650)
Structural Integrity: 85

Armor
    Nose: 234
    Fore Sides: 342/342
    Aft Sides: 342/342
    Aft: 234

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Fighter (40)            6 Doors   
    Bay 2:  Small Craft (16)        2 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (159761.0 tons)   1 Door   

Ammunition:
    150 rounds of NAC/40 ammunition (180 tons),
    40 rounds of AR10 Barracuda ammunition (1,200 tons),
    40 rounds of Killer Whale ammunition (2,000 tons),
    40 rounds of AR10 White Shark ammunition (1,600 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 6
Grav Decks: 3 (95 m, 65 m, 55 m)
Escape Pods: 20
Life Boats: 35
Crew:  117 officers, 507 enlisted/non-rated, 78 gunners, 160 bay personnel

Notes: Mounts 1,782 tons of lamellor ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                        Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                  Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
FRS/FLS (1,075 Heat)
4 Naval PPC (Heavy)                         900  60(600) 60(600) 60(600) 60(600)  Capital PPC
2 Capital Missile Launcher (Killer Whale)   40   8(80)   8(80)   8(80)    8(80)   Capital Missile
    Killer Whale Ammo (20 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                 135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (75 shots)
RBS/LBS (880 Heat)
12 Naval Laser 45                           840  54(540) 54(540) 54(540) 54(540)  Capital Laser
2 Capital Missile Launcher (AR10 Launcher)  40   4(40)   4(40)   4(40)    4(40)   AR10       
    AR10 Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)
    AR10 White Shark Ammo (10 shots)
ARS/ALS (1,780 Heat)
12 Naval Laser 45                           840  54(540) 54(540) 54(540) 54(540)  Capital Laser
2 Capital Missile Launcher (AR10 Launcher)  40   4(40)   4(40)   4(40)    4(40)   AR10       
    AR10 Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)
    AR10 White Shark Ammo (10 shots)
4 Naval PPC (Heavy)                         900  60(600) 60(600) 60(600) 60(600)  Capital PPC
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Re: Star League WarShips, but SMOL!
« Reply #1 on: 23 September 2023, 17:35:52 »
Those are MUCH more reasonable tonnages! :)

Liam's Ghost

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Re: Star League WarShips, but SMOL!
« Reply #2 on: 23 September 2023, 21:21:14 »
For fun, three of the last five original Star League WarShips, likewise shrunk down following the same parameters. Sirs not-appearing-in-this-post are the Bugeye and Potemkin. The Bugeye because there's not really anywhere left to go, and the Potemkin because it's a transport. It's supposed to have all that cargo space.

These really demonstrate the limitations faced. The Aegis ended up only slightly smaller than the shrunken Cameron, and even then the remaining cargo space is criminally low. The Black Lion's limit was surprisingly its armor type and amount. If one were to switch it to lamellor ferro carbide, you could get it down to 620,000 tons comfortably. The McKenna could have been shrunk down smaller than a Texas, but instead I opted to let it actually have some cargo capacity.

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Aegis-c Heavy Cruiser
Mass: 520,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 2582
Mass: 520,000
Battle Value: 187,814
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-X-E-F
Cost: 18,971,149,000 C-bills

Fuel: 1,000 tons (2,500)
Safe Thrust: 2
Maximum Thrust: 3
Sail Integrity: 4
KF Drive Integrity: 12
Heat Sinks: 2046 (4092)
Structural Integrity: 75

Armor
    Nose: 91
    Fore Sides: 101/101
    Aft Sides: 101/101
    Aft: 91

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Small Craft (10)        2 Doors   
    Bay 2:  Fighter (18)            4 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (7595.5 tons)     1 Door   

Ammunition:
    80 rounds of White Shark ammunition (3,200 tons),
    240 rounds of NAC/20 ammunition (96 tons),
    180 rounds of NAC/35 ammunition (180 tons),
    40 rounds of Barracuda ammunition (1,200 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 4
Grav Decks: 2 (90 m, 90 m)
Escape Pods: 0
Life Boats: 20
Crew:  49 officers, 146 enlisted/non-rated, 80 gunners, 86 bay personnel

Notes: Equipped with
    lithium-fusion battery system
672.5 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                      Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (240 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/35)               240  70(700) 70(700)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/35 Ammo (20 shots)
FRS/FLS (285 Heat)
3 Capital Missile Launcher (White Shark)  45   9(90)   9(90)   9(90)    9(90)   Capital Missile
    White Shark Ammo (30 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/35)               240  70(700) 70(700)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/35 Ammo (20 shots)
RBS/LBS (1,105 Heat)
3 Naval Laser 55                          255  17(165) 17(165) 17(165) 17(165)  Capital Laser
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/35)               240  70(700) 70(700)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/35 Ammo (20 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/35)               240  70(700) 70(700)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/35 Ammo (20 shots)
3 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)               180  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (30 shots)
3 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)               180  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (30 shots)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)    10   2(20)   2(20)   2(20)    2(20)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)
ARS/ALS (625 Heat)
3 Naval Laser 55                          255  17(165) 17(165) 17(165) 17(165)  Capital Laser
3 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)               180  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (30 shots)
3 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)               180  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (30 shots)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)    10   2(20)   2(20)   2(20)    2(20)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)
Aft (790 Heat)
4 Naval Laser 45                          280  18(180) 18(180) 18(180) 18(180)  Capital Laser
2 Capital Missile Launcher (White Shark)  30   6(60)   6(60)   6(60)    6(60)   Capital Missile
    White Shark Ammo (20 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/35)               240  70(700) 70(700)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/35 Ammo (20 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/35)               240  70(700) 70(700)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/35 Ammo (20 shots)
   
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Black Lion IIc Battlecruiser
Mass: 780,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 2691
Mass: 780,000
Battle Value: 245,273
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-X-E-F
Cost: 10,988,335,000 C-bills

Fuel: 1,000 tons (2,500)
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Sail Integrity: 5
KF Drive Integrity: 17
Heat Sinks: 1837 (3674)
Structural Integrity: 75

Armor
    Nose: 151
    Fore Sides: 168/168
    Aft Sides: 168/168
    Aft: 151

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Small Craft (10)        2 Doors   
    Bay 2:  Fighter (18)            4 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Cargo (61674.5 tons)    1 Door   

Ammunition:
    80 rounds of White Shark ammunition (3,200 tons),
    420 rounds of NAC/20 ammunition (168 tons),
    60 rounds of Barracuda ammunition (1,800 tons),
    450 rounds of NAC/30 ammunition (360 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 4
Grav Decks: 2 (65 m, 85 m)
Escape Pods: 20
Life Boats: 0
Crew:  48 officers, 160 enlisted/non-rated, 64 gunners, 86 bay personnel

Notes: Mounts 1,157.5 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                      Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (400 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)               200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (50 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)               200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (50 shots)
FRS/FLS (470 Heat)
4 Capital Missile Launcher (White Shark)  60   12(120) 12(120) 12(120) 12(120)  Capital Missile
    White Shark Ammo (40 shots)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)    10   2(20)   2(20)   2(20)    2(20)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)               200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (50 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)               200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (50 shots)
RBS/LBS (490 Heat)
3 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)               180  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (40 shots)
3 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)               180  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (40 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)               120  40(400) 40(400) 40(400)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (25 shots)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)    10   2(20)   2(20)   2(20)    2(20)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)
ARS/ALS (490 Heat)
3 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)               180  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (40 shots)
3 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)               180  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (40 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/20)               120  40(400) 40(400) 40(400)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/20 Ammo (25 shots)
1 Capital Missile Launcher (Barracuda)    10   2(20)   2(20)   2(20)    2(20)   Capital Missile
    Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)
Aft (600 Heat)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)               200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (50 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)               200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (50 shots)
2 Naval Autocannon (NAC/30)               200  60(600) 60(600) 60(600)   0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/30 Ammo (50 shots)
   
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McKenna-c Battleship
Mass: 1,140,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Advanced)
Introduced: 2652
Mass: 1,140,000
Battle Value: 194,031
Tech Rating/Availability: E/E-X-E-F
Cost: 27,409,908,800 C-bills

Fuel: 1,600 tons (4,000)
Safe Thrust: 3
Maximum Thrust: 5
Sail Integrity: 6
KF Drive Integrity: 23
Heat Sinks: 6325 (12650)
Structural Integrity: 95

Armor
    Nose: 200
    Fore Sides: 250/250
    Aft Sides: 250/250
    Aft: 143

Cargo
    Bay 1:  Small Craft (16)        2 Doors   
    Bay 2:  Fighter (25)            4 Doors   
    Bay 3:  Fighter (25)            4 Doors   
    Bay 4:  Cargo (49847.0 tons)    1 Door   

Ammunition:
    20 rounds of AR10 Killer Whale ammunition (1,000 tons),
    480 rounds of NAC/40 ammunition (576 tons),
    30 rounds of AR10 Barracuda ammunition (900 tons),
    20 rounds of AR10 White Shark ammunition (800 tons)

Dropship Capacity: 6
Grav Decks: 3 (45 m, 45 m, 75 m)
Escape Pods: 30
Life Boats: 30
Crew:  97 officers, 404 enlisted/non-rated, 78 gunners, 180 bay personnel

Notes: Equipped with
    lithium-fusion battery system
1,604 tons of ferro-carbide armor.

Weapons:                                        Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat)                                  Heat  SRV     MRV     LRV      ERV    Class       
Nose (440 Heat)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                 135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (40 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                 135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (40 shots)
2 Naval Laser 55                            170  11(110) 11(110) 11(110) 11(110)  Capital Laser
FRS/FLS (700 Heat)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                 135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (40 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                 135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (40 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                 135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (40 shots)
3 Naval Laser 55                            255  17(165) 17(165) 17(165) 17(165)  Capital Laser
2 Capital Missile Launcher (AR10 Launcher)  40   4(40)   4(40)   4(40)    4(40)   AR10       
    AR10 Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)
    AR10 Killer Whale Ammo (7 shots)
    AR10 White Shark Ammo (7 shots)
RBS/LBS (2,700 Heat)
4 Naval PPC (Heavy)                         900  60(600) 60(600) 60(600) 60(600)  Capital PPC
4 Naval PPC (Heavy)                         900  60(600) 60(600) 60(600) 60(600)  Capital PPC
4 Naval PPC (Heavy)                         900  60(600) 60(600) 60(600) 60(600)  Capital PPC
ARS/ALS (2,700 Heat)
4 Naval PPC (Heavy)                         900  60(600) 60(600) 60(600) 60(600)  Capital PPC
4 Naval PPC (Heavy)                         900  60(600) 60(600) 60(600) 60(600)  Capital PPC
4 Naval PPC (Heavy)                         900  60(600) 60(600) 60(600) 60(600)  Capital PPC
Aft (920 Heat)
4 Naval Laser 55                            340  22(220) 22(220) 22(220) 22(220)  Capital Laser
2 Capital Missile Launcher (AR10 Launcher)  40   4(40)   4(40)   4(40)    4(40)   AR10       
    AR10 Barracuda Ammo (10 shots)
    AR10 Killer Whale Ammo (6 shots)
    AR10 White Shark Ammo (6 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                 135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (40 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                 135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (40 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                 135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (40 shots)
1 Naval Autocannon (NAC/40)                 135  40(400) 40(400)  0(0)     0(0)   Capital AC 
    NAC/40 Ammo (40 shots)
   
Good news is the lab boys say the symptoms of asbestos poisoning show an immediate latency of 44.6 years. So if you're thirty or over you're laughing. Worst case scenario you miss out on a few rounds of canasta, plus you've forwarded the cause of science by three centuries. I punch those numbers into my calculator, it makes a happy face.

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Re: Star League WarShips, but SMOL!
« Reply #3 on: 23 September 2023, 21:29:00 »
Those are MUCH more reasonable tonnages! :)

The Cameron and the Soyuz would cause continuity fits with the other ships. It's basically impossible to make the Black Lion smaller than their shrunken versions without much more radical changes, and it's supposed to be the smallest of the three.

But if Fasa had rolled out the Essex, Vincent, and Lola in these forms back in the day, or even retconned them to this state during the publication of battlespace, I don't think most would have batted an eye.
Good news is the lab boys say the symptoms of asbestos poisoning show an immediate latency of 44.6 years. So if you're thirty or over you're laughing. Worst case scenario you miss out on a few rounds of canasta, plus you've forwarded the cause of science by three centuries. I punch those numbers into my calculator, it makes a happy face.

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Re: Star League WarShips, but SMOL!
« Reply #4 on: 23 September 2023, 21:36:47 »
Agreed on all accounts, good sir! :)