Guderian Main Battle Tank

[Ruger]

Overview:

Named for Malcolm Guderian, a colonel in the Lyran Commonwealth Armed Forces who served during the First Succession War, the Guderian main battle tank was developed to provide the nation with a cost-effective main battle tank that could reliably defeat most comers in battle. Equipped with a well-rounded arsenal, this design can engage targets at most ranges, and only becomes more effective as the range closes. Unfortunately, the production line on Hesperus was destroyed during the fighting of the 8th Battle of Hesperus. The damage was deemed so extensive that it could not be brought back online for several centuries.

Capabilities:

With an arsenal built around a type 10 autocannon, the Guderian possesses heavy firepower. Backing the autocannon is a turret mounted four pack of short range missiles, a machine gun and a vehicle flamer. A second machine gun is mounted on the front armored plate, along side a launcher capable of firing ten long range missiles per flight. The missile launchers and the flamer are each equipped with a ton of ammunition each, while the machine guns share a half ton of ammunition, and the autocannon draws from two stores of ammunition, allowing it to carry multiple types of rounds at one time. Finally, the sides and the rear of the tank have single shot vehicular grenade launchers mounted, with sides normally having fragmentation grenades and the rear smoke.

To protect this arsenal, the engineers have placed 14.5 tons of armor plate on the design. This enables the front and turret to take 3 hits from the most powerful autocannons before being breached. While the sides can only take two of these hits each, they are still able to take a pounding before internal hits become a problem. Even the rear can take three particle cannon hits before one has to worry about internal damage.

Unfortunately, these abilities do come at a cost, and that cost is the ground speed of the Guderian. Able to only reach 54 kph at its maximum, many units can outpace these tanks. Users of the tank acknowledge that superior tactics are needed to make the most of the design.

Deployment:

The production runs of this tank were assigned to several of the most prestigious units in the Lyran Commonwealth, and for a while the Guderian was a notable presence on the battlefield. However, with the destruction of its production lines, the tank became more and more rare over the course of the Succession Wars. Very few remained into the Fourth Succession War.

Guderian Main Battle Tank

Tonnage: 75 tons
Internal Structure: 7.5 tons
Engine: 225 ICE - 20 tons
Cruise MP: 3
Flank MP: 5
Heat Sinks: 0
Control Equipment: 4 tons
Turret: 1.5 tons
Armor Factor: 232 - 14.5 tons
Front: 60
R/L Sides: 40/40
Rear: 32
Turret: 60
Weapons and Equipment:
AC/10 - Turret - 12 tons
Ammo(AC)20 - Body - 2 tons
SRM-4 - Turret - 2 tons
Ammo(SRM)25 - Body - 1 ton
Vehicle Flamer - Turret - 0.5 tons
Ammo(Flamer)20 - Body - 1 ton
Machine Gun - Turret - 0.5 tons
Machine Gun - Front - 0.5 tons
Ammo(MG)100 - Body - 0.5 tons
LRM-10 - Front - 5 tons
Ammo(LRM)12 - Body - 1 ton
Vehicular Grenade Launcher - Right - 0.5 tons
Vehicular Grenade Launcher - Left - 0.5 tons
Vehicular Grenade Launcher - Rear - 0.5 tons

Ruger

[Elmoth]

In alpha strike sounds like a 4 3 1 mbt, with quite around 15 hit points. Nice. 

[Iron Grenadier]

Very Von Luckner-ery.  I could see this actually being picked up and manufactured, as I believe any/all factories that built the Von Luckner were destroyed. Plus I think there just needs to be more tanks.

:thumbsup:

[Ruger]

Very Von Luckner-ery.  I could see this actually being picked up and manufactured, as I believe any/all factories that built the Von Luckner were destroyed. Plus I think there just needs to be more tanks.

:thumbsup:

I can see the comparison...of course, my original design had no LRM's or grenade launchers, three SRM-4s and more armor...then I thought it needed something longer ranged than the AC/10 with its slow speed...

Ruger

[Simon Landmine]

At least, unlike the Lucky, this LRM system can be used on the advance ...  :thumbsup:

[Sabelkatten]

It is rather undergunned at short range IMHO. I'd streamline the armament a bit to get a few more SRM tubes in there. Still, there are far worse choices out there. :)

[Ruger]

It is rather undergunned at short range IMHO. I'd streamline the armament a bit to get a few more SRM tubes in there. Still, there are far worse choices out there. :)

The original model I had lacked the LRM-10 and the grenade launchers. Instead, it had two front mounted SRM-4's with a second ton of ammo and the rest went to armor (272 points total). But it had nothing that reached beyond 15 hexes.

Ruger

[Sabelkatten]

Somebody check my math, but I think this works:

75 tons tracked, 3/5 ICE, 14 tons armor, AC/10 turret @20, 4xSRM2 turret @100, 2xLRM5 front @48, MG turret, MG front @100.

It's pretty much the same tank, but instead of the flamer you have 8 SRM tubes with standard or inferno rounds. That's also 21 average damage from the AC+SRMs which is enough for a pilot check on mechs. ;)

[tomaddamz]

Somebody check my math, but I think this works:

75 tons tracked, 3/5 ICE, 14 tons armor, AC/10 turret @20, 4xSRM2 turret @100, 2xLRM5 front @48, MG turret, MG front @100.

It's pretty much the same tank, but instead of the flamer you have 8 SRM tubes with standard or inferno rounds. That's also 21 average damage from the AC+SRMs which is enough for a pilot check on mechs. ;)

Don't forget you have to make the turret bigger ( it's only 1.5 ton)...But fundamentally I agree withe the larger SRM loadout and breaking up the LRM-10.

my 1st thought is to ditch the MGs for Specialist SRM ammo ( APERS, Inferno), as they have better range and potentially more utility.

my 2nd thought is to ditch the Vehicle Flamer for a ton of specialist AC/10 ammo, Depending on the level of play you are at and the needs of your local tactical environment (i.e. Flak for pesky VTOLs, Flechette for PBIs, Precision for fast movers getting to "Knife Fighting" distance.  With AC/10s I tend to use a "T-72 loadout" as I call it with 10 rounds flechette, 10 Standard, and 5 precision. (Yes I know this is 2 tons of Specialist AC/10 ammo, but it works for me).

[Sabelkatten]

Well, I wanted to keep it introtech like the OP...For the MGs I figure they are more for scaring PBI off than for actually killing anyone.

[Ruger]

Well, I wanted to keep it introtech like the OP...For the MGs I figure they are more for scaring PBI off than for actually killing anyone.

My whole point was to make a versatile introtech tank...

Ruger

[Cannonshop]

My whole point was to make a versatile introtech tank...

Ruger

for an MBT, it makes a very nice pillbox (that is, bunker). personally, when I look up 'main battle tank' in the TRO's and look at role, I wind up finding 3/5 to be entirely too slow, since it's basically a choice of climbing a hill and missing, or parking on the flat and hoping that your armor is thick enough. (to-hit problems, you can't do damage if you miss your targets a lot, and that's what flanking does to your gunnery-you miss a lot), while being immobile just makes you a bunker (or semi-mobile pillbox, which is just a nicer bunker).

to ME, an MBT is an instrument of Mobile battle- that is, movement as opposed to passive sitting, and 4/6 is about as slow as you can afford to go in a tank and still prosecute mobile battle.

[Ruger]

for an MBT, it makes a very nice pillbox (that is, bunker). personally, when I look up 'main battle tank' in the TRO's and look at role, I wind up finding 3/5 to be entirely too slow, since it's basically a choice of climbing a hill and missing, or parking on the flat and hoping that your armor is thick enough. (to-hit problems, you can't do damage if you miss your targets a lot, and that's what flanking does to your gunnery-you miss a lot), while being immobile just makes you a bunker (or semi-mobile pillbox, which is just a nicer bunker).

to ME, an MBT is an instrument of Mobile battle- that is, movement as opposed to passive sitting, and 4/6 is about as slow as you can afford to go in a tank and still prosecute mobile battle.

Hey, I probably should have called it a heavy tank...but then again, the Marsden II was also labeled a main battle tank, and was no more mobile...

Still, I could see some modified versions dropping in a 300XL for 4/6 movement, and using the remaining 5.5 tons for other stuff...hmm...might just make a modern version of this based on this change...

Ruger

[Cannonshop]

Hey, I probably should have called it a heavy tank...but then again, the Marsden II was also labeled a main battle tank, and was no more mobile...

Still, I could see some modified versions dropping in a 300XL for 4/6 movement, and using the remaining 5.5 tons for other stuff...hmm...might just make a modern version of this based on this change...

Ruger

a lot of the taxonomy of vehicles in CBT's universe seem more based on "well, the board thinks that name sounds cool!" than with anything resembling a role or operational position.

then again, the Lyrans are famously incompetent and prone to boondoggles, so...i could actually see some Lyran social general taking an XL conversion, and making it slower.