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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #60 on: 07 August 2020, 04:52:01 »
For the most part I think that CGL is doing a good job with the new era, but while I know it is a mech-centric game, the way the Republic Navy seems to have gone AWOL/nerfed is one of the least well explained issues.

The Republic has developed all these powerful PWSs like the Castrums and Tiamats, and you never seem to see them. All the Faslane's and Newgranges that could have served as support ships for raiding squadrons out of unpopulated systems outside of the Republic's walls? Mothballed or lost in industrial accidents.

I also understand that building warships is difficult, but if the Word Of Blake could build   Dantes during the Jihad, I'd have liked to see the Republic build a few, given they are fluffed as particularly cost effective.

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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #61 on: 07 August 2020, 06:05:05 »
I was thinking. Would it be possible that goes missing forces of Republic were up with the Army groups? That would be a logical answer where some of the Republic forces disappeared to.

There were at least two Army groups. I don't have my books with me. So I don't know for sure if there were more or what date consisted of.
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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #62 on: 07 August 2020, 11:10:27 »
For the most part I think that CGL is doing a good job with the new era, but while I know it is a mech-centric game, the way the Republic Navy seems to have gone AWOL/nerfed is one of the least well explained issues.

The Republic has developed all these powerful PWSs like the Castrums and Tiamats, and you never seem to see them. All the Faslane's and Newgranges that could have served as support ships for raiding squadrons out of unpopulated systems outside of the Republic's walls? Mothballed or lost in industrial accidents.

I also understand that building warships is difficult, but if the Word Of Blake could build   Dantes during the Jihad, I'd have liked to see the Republic build a few, given they are fluffed as particularly cost effective.

I'm not aware of any Dante-class frigates being built during the Jihad.  Any fleet assets were either taken from Luyten, or captured from the ComGuards.  The only WarShip construction, if it can be called that, would be further upgrades to the Naga-class drone control ships (VSPs, MMLs, SCLs, for better anti-fighter defenses).
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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #63 on: 07 August 2020, 11:18:22 »
I forget where, but we were specifically told that the Dantes in Blakist service were NOT captured from Cornstar.
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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #64 on: 07 August 2020, 11:26:24 »
I forget where, but we were specifically told that the Dantes in Blakist service were NOT captured from Cornstar.

Could be with the Fidelis- they had a Dante as of the Dark Ages . . . I think they basically traded their Jag DD/FF for the Dante as part of the Jihad.
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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #65 on: 07 August 2020, 12:42:50 »
I'm not aware of any Dante-class frigates being built during the Jihad.  Any fleet assets were either taken from Luyten, or captured from the ComGuards.  The only WarShip construction, if it can be called that, would be further upgrades to the Naga-class drone control ships (VSPs, MMLs, SCLs, for better anti-fighter defenses).

I may be wrong, and the comment was based on Sarna; but it seems that Comstar build three Dantes: Bordeaux, Montpellier, and Narbonne. So the editor in Sarna took one look at page 128 of Jihad Final Reckoning and saw that there were two additional Dantes: Perdition and Salvation.

Oystein confirmed that they are not captured Comstar units, hence the assumption they are newly build:
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,12100.msg287455.html#msg287455

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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #66 on: 07 August 2020, 12:46:29 »
Both may technically be right . . . the Blakists had what, 4-6 years of control of the Titan Yards before the Jihad kicked off?  So no new ships during the Jihad but the Blakists DID have new Dantes built.
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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #67 on: 07 August 2020, 13:26:48 »
In any event, I'd just like to see the RoS Navy make a respectable showing, with some of the interesting units they've had access to for a while, and make at least a few smart efficient warship choices. I'm not saying 30 McKennas...

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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #68 on: 07 August 2020, 14:28:13 »
Warspite sounds like a good name for a Leviathan to me . . .
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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #69 on: 08 August 2020, 08:22:59 »
The naval enthusiast in me hopes its actual new new design verses updated variant of an existing one like the Dante. My pessimist feeling is the Odds are more on the later. Economically makes sense and easer on designers to reuse something that maybe a throw way variant design. Which is a shame to me. However as much i want a balanced universe with serial produced Warships and other designs with other units in Battletech. Im vary much in the minority.

There also those defense platforms which apparently have allot anticapital missiles and fighter bays. Those could be reused Dragons breath multi-missile launching stations.
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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #70 on: 08 August 2020, 08:53:30 »
Warspite sounds like a good name for a Leviathan to me . . .

I am hoping for a newly designed battleship according to Rock of the Republic they now have 4 warships active, here is hoping

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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #71 on: 08 August 2020, 10:14:51 »
I am hoping for a newly designed battleship according to Rock of the Republic they now have 4 warships active, here is hoping
Did you read the Shattered Fortress source book?
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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #72 on: 08 August 2020, 15:34:55 »
I have a question: was there ever an explanation why Stone dropped the fortress? From what I understood none of the attempts from outside met with success. And if he wanted to supply the FedSuns wouldn't it have been sufficient to simply send a Jumpship once in a while with enough material? I haven't read Shattered Fortress but from the TRO 3145 the Fortress had several factories running as hard as in their Jihad days.

And I remeber from the 2nd succession war book (unfortunaterly this is not avalaibale where i live) there was a mention of an Ilkhan Banacek. From what I know Banacek is a Star Adder bloodname. So a hint to the few Homeworld clans? I jnow where far fetched but it would be funny to have the Jadefalcons being chewed up by some other Clanners

And if I think about Terra's defenses: Stone could reactivate the few Wyrm ships they captured in the Jihad (or probably build more of those)  Reactivate the Castle Brians and maybe reactivate SDS and drones (if that is even possible)

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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #73 on: 08 August 2020, 16:07:31 »
I have a question: was there ever an explanation why Stone dropped the fortress? From what I understood none of the attempts from outside met with success. And if he wanted to supply the FedSuns wouldn't it have been sufficient to simply send a Jumpship once in a while with enough material? I haven't read Shattered Fortress but from the TRO 3145 the Fortress had several factories running as hard as in their Jihad days.

And I remeber from the 2nd succession war book (unfortunaterly this is not avalaibale where i live) there was a mention of an Ilkhan Banacek. From what I know Banacek is a Star Adder bloodname. So a hint to the few Homeworld clans? I jnow where far fetched but it would be funny to have the Jadefalcons being chewed up by some other Clanners

Fortress got dropped because they were running out of K-F drives to power it (if what I've heard is accurate).

Also, the ilKhan Banacek thing is from an april fools product, not 2nd SW. We haven't gotten the name of the future ilKhan, just the loremaster (Stephan Roshak).
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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #74 on: 08 August 2020, 20:40:25 »
Did you read the Shattered Fortress source book?

Yes but if I am missing or have forgotten something please clarify?

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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #75 on: 10 August 2020, 08:36:52 »
Yes but if I am missing or have forgotten something please clarify?

The Republic intentionally did not build more Warships to discourage a warship arms race.  And so are once again outnumbered by Clan Warships.
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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #76 on: 10 August 2020, 09:05:00 »
Reading you.... Could someone remind me where the Republic did not do the worst option possible? I am guessing they only need to have liquidated all the factories on Earth and turned the planet into an Amish retreat to complete their utter failure as an interstellar empire...

I.am not into dark age stuff, but I am quite flippant at the effort the RotS seems to be putting forward to help it's enemies to defeat itself. It must be a conscious plan.
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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #77 on: 10 August 2020, 11:12:22 »
Because their crewing compliment, i think their going to be "no go" mech.

Omegas maybe if they weren't tainted by the WoB connection, but their still one-crew machines last i checked (including the Republic HPPC variant - but no Record Sheet it for it.)

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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #78 on: 10 August 2020, 19:36:38 »
The Republic intentionally did not build more Warships to discourage a warship arms race.  And so are once again outnumbered by Clan Warships.

The problem with that quote is Rock if the Republic specifically quoted 4 ship active 5 if the Flatus is you counted. Warspite is also being built at Titan so I would think the  at least one ship has been built and or salvaged and reinstated but Warspite seems to be a new build based on the book.

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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #79 on: 10 August 2020, 20:22:05 »
Warspite could be a new warship . . . built around a railgun . . . that fires compact cores at clusters of enemy ships, that then trigger creating a jump bubble to wreck enemy warships, DS & ASF just like that Fox class wrecked a Avalon & escorts.
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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #80 on: 11 August 2020, 00:23:55 »
I don't think a core could survive the accleration of railgun launch.
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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #81 on: 11 August 2020, 02:18:59 »
Whats the possibility that the RoTS has developed a whole new series of drones and plans on using them to defend Terra?

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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #82 on: 11 August 2020, 07:37:38 »
Well, i don't know about "New" They did re-develop some drones.  Like the three of them, CLR-03-O Celerity (ultralight OmniMech Drone), Revenant (light Quad BattleMech Drone), UABM-2R Lich (Assault Quad BattleMech Drone).  The Lich appeared under the radar in XTRO: Republic III, which unlike alot of the XTROs were things that were mass produced, if not limited production.  The Zephyr Omni-Drone (Its mod of the SLDF Hovercraft) was being built as early as 3096, i think a lot people have forgotten about it.  Major issue with it, is one its configurations wasn't legal due to C3 being included in it.  It was in XTRO: Republic I.

That's all i'm aware of. Unless those Missile platforms Republic of the Sphere are building in Terra System have drone fighters.
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Re: Question on Shattered Fortress
« Reply #83 on: 11 August 2020, 09:35:42 »
I don't think a core could survive the accleration of railgun launch.

Its a big chunk of metal . . . real question would be could the controls to induce a jump field survive.  And if they wave their hands right, they could.

I was just going for outrageous weapons that would be linked to use up jump cores.
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