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Who is your favorite Villain?
« on: 05 June 2020, 09:59:45 »
Like the topic says.

Who is your favorite "Bad Guy" from the BT Universe?

I got to think of this the other day as I was re-watching one of my all time favorites on the Black List,  Raymond Reddington,  I love James Spader in that role almost as much as when he was on Boston Legal.

I'm having a hard time finding my favorite in BT, maybe because they are so black/white while still being shades of grey.

When I think of other Pop-Culture, say, the "Disney-Verse" with all its products, I can say Thanos is clearly my favorite villain.  Poor guy was just trying to help us out with pollution & overpopulation.  >:D


When I think of early BT,  I like the Red Duke Ricol.
In the mid years, I found the Bounty Hunter & the "Joker"/Assassin kind of interesting.
But since then I'm not sure anyone has really caught my eye.


So lets hear from you all,  who is your favorite Villain, no the most evil,  but the guy/girl you love to watch being bad.
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Re: Who is your favorite Villain?
« Reply #1 on: 05 June 2020, 12:55:15 »
I guess it would depend on what kind of things you think are villainous.  I find myself draw to the "less nice" factions due to being reactionary against my players wanting to be FedCom.  Unfortunately the two I really like (FWL and CC) don't have a wide variety of interesting characters due to lacking a POV through most of the fiction. 

Sun-Tzu and Kali Liao are a vicious tag team that should have been able to cause more mayhem than they did in canon and they caused lots of mayhem.  Sun-Tzu got a few books but we never get anything from Kali even as a supporting character in any of them.  Their mother Romano did lots of crazy bad stuff as well but somehow managed to keep the Capellan Confederation together despite the defection of her sister and assault on many worlds so clearly she wasn't dumb. 

I would love a POV of Thomas Marik pre-bombing or heck even as The Master.  We can only infer what was going on in his head based on what the Word of Blake did later and his character is a rather cartoony expy of Emperor Palpatine.  Most of the Word of Blake we don't have POVs from but there is so much untapped potential.

Then we come down to my favorite Katrina Steiner-Davion, her character was utterly wasted in the fiction but still has an influence in the modern timeline despite her death at the hands of her son Alaric Ward.  We never understand her reasoning but she managed to turn the Estates General against Victor despite him spending most of his life on Tharkad, so she clearly had skill.  There's a reason I wrote a whole fan-fic novel about her (and am working on one from Kali in that same AU).

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Re: Who is your favorite Villain?
« Reply #2 on: 05 June 2020, 13:21:29 »
Too easy: Hanse Davion.

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Re: Who is your favorite Villain?
« Reply #3 on: 05 June 2020, 14:19:17 »
The entirety of the black hat covered by white hat apparatus of comstar

generally a sucker for anything that’s either
1) cartoonish in its villainy
2) a wolf in the clothing of a less menacing wolf. You know they’re dangerous and shady but have no idea in what ways or to what depth

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Re: Who is your favorite Villain?
« Reply #4 on: 05 June 2020, 14:39:56 »
Most Battletech individual "villains" are far too cartoonish for me to love. I find I prefer villainous organizations usually; because thier villainy is usually through callousness and expediency and not melodramatic scheming. The Draconis Combine is my favorite evil organization in the setting, and it's villainy is represented well by Takashi Kurita and Worlord Grieg Samsonov. Both men are manipulative and inhumane but without the overblown theatrics of the entire Liao brood or the comic book hilarity that are the Clans. Theirs is a systemic, state-sponsored selfish lust for control. I like that style.
I also like Jacob Bannson from the Dark Age arc. While he is a bit of an overblown character, he is portrayed pretty well considering he is an obvious parody on our worlds own bombastic mega rich, ala Branson, Musk, etc... I feel they did a good job representing that wild narcissistic genius bent to evil purposes instead of just publicity.

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Re: Who is your favorite Villain?
« Reply #5 on: 05 June 2020, 14:51:47 »
When I think of early BT,  I like the Red Duke Ricol.

'No man is the villain of his life's story.'

Ricol was an opponent to Grayson who he later worked with to get the Helm core out, but I would not call him a villain because he was a Drac.  While Falcons are my favorite foe I only really see one as a villain and have a great respect for Noritomo Helmer who has been getting the stinky end of the stick for . . . IRL 15 years?

Because of my personal philosophy, the two biggest villians to me are ComStar-Word of Blake and the Cameron.

Blake/Toyama set the rest of a humanity on a path that caused untold suffering for a couple of centuries, and did it intentionally for 'mankind's good.'  The worst sort of power is one who acts for what they perceive is the best interest of others whether the others want them to or not, because unlike other power-users they are active rather than letting the populace be through at least benign neglect.  I think its too bad they abandoned the Lenin/Stalin model of Blake/Toyama, I thought it was a great story development that Blake was mostly benign while Toyama (who might have helped Blake fall down the stairs) twisted the organization into a religious organization intent on ruling all mankind.

The next would be the Cameron who formed the Star League, forcing the periphery governments into the League even though those people did not want to be a part of that body.
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Re: Who is your favorite Villain?
« Reply #7 on: 05 June 2020, 14:57:55 »
Colt: that would be Ian Cameron.

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Re: Who is your favorite Villain?
« Reply #8 on: 05 June 2020, 19:14:46 »
I also like Jacob Bannson from the Dark Age arc. While he is a bit of an overblown character, he is portrayed pretty well considering he is an obvious parody on our worlds own bombastic mega rich, ala Branson, Musk, etc... I feel they did a good job representing that wild narcissistic genius bent to evil purposes instead of just publicity.

Interesting, I know the character as the "boss" of Bannson's Raiders from the MWDA game but I have never read about him as a person, I missed out on whatever product that must be.
I might have to read up more on this.

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Re: Who is your favorite Villain?
« Reply #9 on: 05 June 2020, 19:17:31 »
Romano Liao was the best.
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Re: Who is your favorite Villain?
« Reply #10 on: 05 June 2020, 19:33:48 »
Ricol was an opponent to Grayson who he later worked with to get the Helm core out, but I would not call him a villain because he was a Drac.  While Falcons are my favorite foe I only really see one as a villain and have a great respect for Noritomo Helmer who has been getting the stinky end of the stick for . . . IRL 15 years? 
I don't call him evil because he's a Drac.
I say he's a villain because he hired pirates & his own thugs to invade a neighboring world & kill a bunch of people in a false flag type operation & then brought in his own troops to appear to be the savior while again attacking the actual defending troops of that world.
And he did it all to increase his own personal wealth/power & not at the request of his lord Takashi.

That same Helm Core he held onto & did not turn over to his lord & nation for a decade? or so & only did so to gain advancement for himself & get out of the very bad situation he was in IIRC.
He's selfish & power hungry.  So he's a villain.  That said, he is one of my favorites.  I just don't like him the way I do the above mentioned non-BT villains.


I don't know this Helmer person,  I would have thought Malvina was the biggest Falcon "bad guy".  Another one I may have to look up.



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Because of my personal philosophy, the two biggest villians to me are ComStar-Word of Blake and the Cameron.

Blake/Toyama set the rest of a humanity on a path that caused untold suffering for a couple of centuries, and did it intentionally for 'mankind's good.'  The worst sort of power is one who acts for what they perceive is the best interest of others whether the others want them to or not, because unlike other power-users they are active rather than letting the populace be through at least benign neglect.  I think its too bad they abandoned the Lenin/Stalin model of Blake/Toyama, I thought it was a great story development that Blake was mostly benign while Toyama (who might have helped Blake fall down the stairs) twisted the organization into a religious organization intent on ruling all mankind.

The next would be the Cameron who formed the Star League, forcing the periphery governments into the League even though those people did not want to be a part of that body.

To me Blake & Toyama are worlds apart.  Other than they overlapped their lives in the same organizations, I don't see any similarities in them.
I didn't know TPTB had abandoned that comparison, its how I still see them, only even less like Lenin.  To me he was just the guy put in charge of the phone company to rebuild the planet.  Toyama came along & turned it into a religious cult.

Cameron did more than force the periphery in, he did that to the IS states too, they just went with less complaints & more incentives.
But there is a reason it was called Aggressive Diplomacy.
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« Reply #11 on: 05 June 2020, 19:38:24 »
Interesting, I know the character as the "boss" of Bannson's Raiders from the MWDA game but I have never read about him as a person, I missed out on whatever product that must be.
I might have to read up more on this.

The Dark Age novels are filled with his agents, causing problems, setting fires, making the Republic fall apart faster and faster. So he can take advantage of the chaos. It's been a while since I read those books, but I remember meeting him in one book where his true colors shine through his expensive suits and perfect haircut. He's a power hungry sociopath who will blackmail, frame, coerce, and murder anyone who gets in his way. He's great. 😁

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Re: Who is your favorite Villain?
« Reply #12 on: 06 June 2020, 05:56:37 »
Thomas "Marik". Mostly because, alone among the IS antagonist figures in the Clan Invasion era, he's a fully realised character, with agency, his own motivations, and a very strong picture of who he is beyond "the Captain General". Plus, unlike Katherine, he's a legitimately skilled politician who doesn't get to magically skip all the difficult parts.
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« Reply #13 on: 07 June 2020, 16:09:47 »
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« Reply #14 on: 07 June 2020, 16:41:07 »
Chu-sa Jerry Akuma.
For me the perfect example of how a soldier can be faithful to his duty, and a tremendously correct and polite man, although deep down his ambitions and desire for personal revenge make him a true "villain".

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Re: Who is your favorite Villain?
« Reply #15 on: 07 June 2020, 18:07:50 »
Nicholas Kerensky. He was crackpot dictator with daddy issues and delusions of godhood. He basically forced everyone to his own vision while wiping out those that did something that went against that. So yes, he is clearly villain. 
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« Reply #16 on: 07 June 2020, 20:11:35 »
The great Stefan Ukris Amaris I.

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Re: Who is your favorite Villain?
« Reply #17 on: 07 June 2020, 21:52:01 »
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« Reply #18 on: 07 June 2020, 21:53:16 »
Who is your favorite "Bad Guy" from the BT Universe?



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Re: Who is your favorite Villain?
« Reply #19 on: 07 June 2020, 22:40:44 »
The "Word" of Blake is "MAWAIGE" ?
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« Reply #20 on: 07 June 2020, 23:01:19 »
Apollyon, Sun-Tzu Liao and Alaric Ward are the top contenders, for me.


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« Reply #21 on: 08 June 2020, 09:56:05 »
To me Blake & Toyama are worlds apart.  Other than they overlapped their lives in the same organizations, I don't see any similarities in them.
I didn't know TPTB had abandoned that comparison, its how I still see them, only even less like Lenin.  To me he was just the guy put in charge of the phone company to rebuild the planet.  Toyama came along & turned it into a religious cult.

Read the Intro fiction to the Second Succession War Sourcebook for the real story behind the Blake & Toyama relationship.....

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« Reply #22 on: 08 June 2020, 11:13:08 »
Yeah, 1SW SB starts to hint that Blake was not quite the nice guy image as put out- one that struck me was his attitude of f the periphery used to explain why ComStar's cartography division dropped a lot more periphery worlds from the map than among the Inner Sphere worlds.  I forget the specifics, but it was along the lines of Blake blamed the periphery for the loss of the Star League and so he was actively biased against their standings/claims with that biased attitude being institutionalized among ComStar.
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« Reply #23 on: 08 June 2020, 17:24:00 »
That's an understandable and even reasonable bias.  Where it crosses the line is when it results in millions of lives lost.  I think that's the difference between Blake and Toyama.  One would pause, while the other would simply shrug, and carry on.

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« Reply #24 on: 17 June 2020, 00:55:14 »
Thomas "Marik". Mostly because, alone among the IS antagonist figures in the Clan Invasion era, he's a fully realised character, with agency, his own motivations, and a very strong picture of who he is beyond "the Captain General". Plus, unlike Katherine, he's a legitimately skilled politician who doesn't get to magically skip all the difficult parts.

Seconded.  He was one of the few characters in Battletech lore who actually displayed the skills he was supposed to have instead of just magically accomplishing things offscreen when the writers didn't have to come up with methods for how he did so- Kathrine Steiner-Davion being a prime offender in that regard.
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Re: Who is your favorite Villain?
« Reply #25 on: 19 June 2020, 00:33:54 »
Devlin Stone.   ;)

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Devlin Stone.   ;)

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« Reply #27 on: 19 June 2020, 17:26:13 »
He's not very interesting, though.
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Re: Who is your favorite Villain?
« Reply #28 on: 20 June 2020, 03:37:51 »
Hanse Davion
Katherine Steiner-Davion
Nicholas Kerensky

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Re: Who is your favorite Villain?
« Reply #29 on: 20 June 2020, 13:39:56 »
Devlin Stone.   ;)

I don't see him as villain. More as short sghted fool. Way he created RotS made sure that ones HPG network went down people were sure to turn against RotS like novel By Temption and By War shows.
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