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BattleTech Miniatures and Terrain => Iron Wind Metals News and Announcements => Fan Financing 2.0 => Topic started by: speck on 29 January 2017, 21:39:31
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First off let me apologize for taking an extra month to get this posted, I originally wanted to have this up before the end of 2016, but things did not go according to plan. So onto the reason we have this thread. Both Stinger and Dak have 3D sculpted several miniatures that would fall into the Web Only Category for Iron Wind Metals. IWM normally selects a few design for the Web Only (does not seem that way at times with how they get released), but we wanted to give every one a options to help get some or all of these fine designs that Stinger and Dak have created into miniature form. This is also a stop gap to help the Fan Finance keep moving on until I can get everything worked out for the next official Fan Finance round.
So for the design on the list below, Mechs are still $800 (smaller Militia Mechs might be different) and Vehicles $500, the funds will go towards the CAD work to the sculptor, 3D Printing the Masters and some towards molds. The reason some is going towards the printing and mold costs is to help pay some of the initial start up cost need to get the design into production. The Centurion D will have a different cost that I need to find out since it will be new variant parts, not a entire new mini.
Fan Finance Guidelines will still be used, but since we have a list of designs to choose from post your top three. After a week or two depending on number of posts I will total it up and see what we have and go from there. This is a bit new and I want to see the response.
Images of Designs (http://ironwindmetals.com/index.php/13-battletech/57-fan-finance-3d-sculpted-miniatures)
Dak's List
- Von Rohrs
- Primitive Wolverine
- Bellerophon
- Porcupine
- Volkh
- Daedalus
- Aquagladius
- J-37 Ordanace Transport
- Padilla Artillery Tank
- Balac VTOL
- Quickdraw 8P with Handheld Weapons
- Uni HaulerMech
- Buster MilitiaMech
Stinger's List
- Centurion Omni Alt D (New Variant Parts)
- Catapult CPLT-C2 (Dark Age Catapult)
- Hellspawn Resculpt
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Von Rhors
Primitive Wolverine
Porcupine
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First, thanks for giving us folks here the opportunity for input. However, I've got a question before I pick my top three: the images you posted, are those models pretty much final, or are they just mock ups? I'm wondering how much things are likely to change from what we see in the renders. Thanks!
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First, thanks for giving us folks here the opportunity for input. However, I've got a question before I pick my top three: the images you posted, are those models pretty much final, or are they just mock ups? I'm wondering how much things are likely to change from what we see in the renders. Thanks!
Both Dak and Stinger have worked on the designs, but they have not gone through IWM QCC forum for any adjustments that might be need.
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Centurion Alt D
Balac
Hellspawn Resculpt
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Quickdraw 8P - but please, please modify the left arm pose to be supporting the right hand weapon. Rules require a hand-held pod to be held by both hands before it can be fires.
Buster Miltiiamech
Hellspawn
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In that case...
1. Centurion Omni D
2. Primitive Wolverine
3. Hellspawn resculpt
Also, what book is the Bellerophon in?
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In order:
Padilla
Balac
Von Rhors
I'd also gladly put money towards the Hellspawn, Volkh, and the Buster Militia Mech.
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Definitely want to see:
Primitive Griffin Wolverine
Hellspawn Resculpt
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Balac
Padilla
no third choice. Wouldn't use or play any of the others.
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Primitive wolverine
Centurion D
Catapult C2.
Both artists are great and thank you for administering this program, Speck!
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Bellerophon
Centurion Omni D
Hellspawn Resculpt.
Wolverine looks great, but we have a glut of great-looking Wolverine sculpts currently available.
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Porcupine, Volkh, and Aquagladius. In that order.
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Primitive wolverine
Hellspawn Resculpt
Balac VTOL
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The only one I want is the Bellerophon
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Bellerophon,
Hellspawn
Catapult C2
Nahuris
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J-37 Ordanace Transport
Bellerophon
Catapult C2
What we really need for artillery is a 3025 tech sniper unit or I would vote for the Padilla,
The J-37 would be nice as we don't have many cargo vehicles for convoy scenarios unless you want to kitbash something
While not the greatest primitive, I do love the look of the Bellerophon O0
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Bellerphron
Hellspawn Resculpt
Balac VTOL
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Von Rohrs
Bellerophon
Primitive Wolverine
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Hellspawn
Balac VTOL
Primitive Wolverine
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Balac VTOL
Hellspawn resculpt
Wouldn't use any of the others.
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Balac VTOL
Primitive Wolverine
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1. Balac VTOL
... and I don't think any of the others would really pique my interest enough to make them a priority.
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Hellspawn resculpt
Balac VTOL
J-37 Ordnance Transport
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Catapult C2
Uni
Buster
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Uni
Buster Militiamech (Are we getting weapon options?)
Primitive Wolverweenie
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Belerophon
Primitive Wolverine
Quickdraw
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Hello everybody, really loving the enthusiasm you guys are pouring out!
A minor re-introduction: I'm Dak, I've been here pretty much the whole time, I'm a founding CamoSpecs painter, I've done numerous GenCon dioramas, and I work on lots of various art projects with Catalyst (notably Touring the Stars, some Combat Manuals work, and the recent holiday offerings). A little less than a year ago, I decided to 'take a crack at' some 3D modeling (using Trimble's free Sketchup program). Since then I guess it sort of got away from me. :D You can see where we're at today!
First, thanks for giving us folks here the opportunity for input. However, I've got a question before I pick my top three: the images you posted, are those models pretty much final, or are they just mock ups? I'm wondering how much things are likely to change from what we see in the renders. Thanks!
The images Speck posted are renders of the actual 3D files we've made. In most cases the models aren't so finalized that they can't be adjusted. As Speck also mentioned, they will go through the usual QCC measures as they approach production, and I'm willing to entertain suggestions from this forum and certainly any of the funding individuals.
Buster Militiamech (Are we getting weapon options?)
I wouldn't rule that out. It should be pretty easy to make the current weapons swap out for some different ones. (Note this mini's art will probably need approval from Catalyst to become official.)
Quickdraw 8P - but please, please modify the left arm pose to be supporting the right hand weapon. Rules require a hand-held pod to be held by both hands before it can be fires.
That's going to be quite a tall order. That left arm is REALLY stubby and the flexible joints are really inhibitive. It has the 'extended actuators' quirk but it might get pretty silly looking...like Mr. Fantastic stretchy arms lol. I'll try!
Also, what book is the Bellerophon in?
Experimental Technical Readout: Primitives, Volume 3
And just one more comment, the Padilla has 3 separate barrels sculpted. The original 3145 PDF TRO, the art/Dark Age version, and the stats version in the print TRO 3145.
Thanks everybody!
Dak
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That's going to be quite a tall order. That left arm is REALLY stubby and the flexible joints are really inhibitive. It has the 'extended actuators' quirk but it might get pretty silly looking...like Mr. Fantastic stretchy arms lol. I'll try!
We can ask for no more, and I thank you for considering it! After all, it's a classic example of fan-nerd obsessing over a detail that really doesn't matter :)
W.
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Von Rorhs
Bellerophon
Balac
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I generated some nice big artwork/renders for some of the popular choices so far.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jgkn6gykvc5hoa1/AACVGSkj_GvKDheFYKZk32ZOa?dl=0
It's in a DropBox but nobody should need a login to view them.
Dak O0
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Cute.
I mean, I love the Billyruffian, but buying a mini which can only serve as a statue in-game seems a little odd to me :)
Oh, and the Quickdraw image isn't loading :D
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Ok, it might load better now that it exists! :P
Dak
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J-37
Uni
Balac
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Ok, it might load better now that it exists! :P
Dak
I was actually joking, given I seem to be the only one with any interest in an accurised Quickdraw 8P ... mind you, I did kitbash an 8X, so yes I know I'm weird.
If I may be so bold, having seen the larger image (which is lovely), forget making the left arm reach across. You'd almost have to do a GW type approach - the figure has arms to the elbow, and the weapon & both forearms are a single piece. Don't stress it.
W.
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Balac
QuickDraw
Catapult (although I'm wishing this was the Catapult II.)
Mike
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Hi All!
Just a heads up, I posted some pics of painted examples of these minis over in the miniatures boards, take a look!
Hellspawn: http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=56190
Catapult: http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=56189
Also, a few other things!
The Centurion Omni D, though it is showing a Fed Suns logo in the shield, I am hoping for a full set of 5 logos to put into the blister. One for each great house.
The Catapult is a personal favorite of mine from MWDA, and I took the initiative to make a model of it. I personally expect (I have no actual knowledge) that the Catapult II will be released as a standard distribution release in the future.
The Hellspawn was born out of me being disappointed in the existing model, in many respects. I used every piece of reference material I could find for it, including some rarely seen concept art from MW4 that I happened to find.
And as mentioned, these minis have yet to go through the QCC process. There may be changes in both details, scaling, and posing before going to a production miniature.
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Daedalus
Balac
Uni
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Also, some pictures of the Primitive Wolverine! (Edit: Apparently I was in a griffin mood last night and wrote griffin instead of wolverine everywhere).
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=56192.msg1291954#msg1291954
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Von Rhors
Primitive Wolverine
Balac
I mean I want al of these but those are my number 1 priorites
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Primitive Wolverine
Catapult C2
None of the others really tickle my fancy.
I am not sure if I can Lead Fundicator this time around (I have a few challenges going on concurrently at home and at work) so I may have to give someone else the opportunity to be the Lead Fundicator this time.
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For me;
Primitive Wolverine
Belerophon
Re-sculpt Hellspawn.
But if we can stretch it I'd also like the Von Rhors and Catapult C2 O:-)
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I seem to be the only one with any interest in an accurised Quickdraw 8P ...
You couldn't be more wrong! It was that pesky limitation on votes. The Quickdraw and Daedalus should really also be on my list!
Daedalus
Thank you for that vote for what is probably the best Solaris VII 'Mech ton for ton! O0
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QuickDraw 8P
Hellspawn Resculpt
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Catapult CPLT-C2
Catapult CPLT-C2
Catapult CPLT-C2
:D :D ;D
i never liked the previous catapult minis with their flimsy legs and weird proportions, they do not look like a 65-ton mech.
but this one looks gorgeous!
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Bellerophon
Quickdraw 8P
Catapult C2 [I was swayed by Stinger's 3D print images. :D]
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Those of us on the 8P train,
a) all OK with NOT having two-handed weapon grips?
b) How many thinking already of subbing them for 'normal' Quickdraws ;)
W.
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Those of us on the 8P train,
W.
Put a c) in there for those who want the little golf cart vehicle that carries the spare weapons mentioned in the TRO. 8)
Dak
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Primitive Wolverine
Hellspawn Resculpt
Buster MilitiaMech
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Put a c) in there for those who want the little golf cart vehicle that carries the spare weapons mentioned in the TRO. 8)
Dak
Put me down for c) also :)
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Wow! Most of them are so ugly I wouldn't have them even if they were free!
Best of the bunch:
Von Rohrs
Primitive Wolverine
Bellerophon
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In no particular order. Von Rohrs, Wolverine, Catapult.
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Von Rohrs, the damn thing has needed a sculpt for years. Only thing else I want are walking or standing legs for the Devastator.
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Primitive Wolverine
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Quickdraw with golf cart #P
Catapult
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BUSTER Militiamech !!!!!!!
Quickdraw
Von Rohrs
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Who do I send the money to? They all look so good I don't care which is made first so long as they ask see the light of day.
Many thanks to the artists
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Uni Haulermech
Bellerophon
Quickdraw weapons
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J-37 Ordnance Transport
Padilla artillery tank
Hellspawn resculpt
and not on the list
Thumper SP artillery vehicle
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For me
Padilla
Balac
Centurion Omni
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Hellspawn
Bellerophone
Buster
Not an easy choice....
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Uni
Buster
Catapult
And I'll definitely throw money at either the Uni or Buster if they're picked.
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Primitive Wolverine
Catapult C2
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Catapult
Quickdraw
Hellspawn Resculpt
Quickdraw with golf cart #P
I'd also like to see this! :D
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Uni HaulerMech
Buster MilitiaMech
Primative Wolverine
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Porcupine
Porcupine
Porcupine
...no, seriously, freaking PORCUPINE.
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Bellerophon
Hellspawn
Catapult
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balac VTOL
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Those of us on the 8P train,
a) all OK with NOT having two-handed weapon grips?
b) How many thinking already of subbing them for 'normal' Quickdraws ;)
W.
I can live with "a", but I also wonder if there is a solution to be had with alternate poses, like aiming the weapon to the side across the body, rather than straight ahead.
Mostly though, I just think it's kinda cool looking.
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the weapon to the side across the body, rather than straight ahead.
this is what i ended up doing with the xtro axman
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like aiming the weapon to the side across the body, rather than straight ahead.
Two problems with that, the artwork shows a very large 'ammo box' hanging underslung on the right arm, that box prevents the arm from bending toward the body (I already had to drastically size the box width down just to get it to appear there). Some of the other weapons wouldn't have the ammo box and might work, but that would mean the RAC for one couldn't be swapped in.
The other (minor) issue is that the torso fixed cockpit makes it look like the 'Mech is staring straight ahead, to aim the weapon the pilot would be looking out the side windows. Not a deal breaker but it does sort of fly in the face of pleasing aesthetics. :)
Dak
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We're talking about the Quickdraw. Mr. Aesthetics left the building some decades before ... ;)
But I do like your 8P. There's ugly, then there's good ugly, then there's the Yeoman ...
Heck, who do I have to ban to get a Yeoman with a waist? O0
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1) Von Rohrs
2) Balac
3) Catapult C2
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Primitive Wolverine
Uni
Bellerophon
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Uni
Quickdraw
Von Rohrs Hebis ;)
And if the Uni is selected, I should be able to throw a good chunk at it. I've been needing a generic-ish quad for...something.
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Wolverine
Von Rohrs
The VTOL thingy
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Von Rohrs
Primitive Wolverine
Uni HaulerMech
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Is anyone counting?
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Stinger has been! There's some definite leads by far and some total duds...my poor Solaris VII 'Mechs.
Speck has been working on a move into a new house so he might be slow to keep this rolling.
Thanks for all the votes! (Love to see them keep coming.)
Dak
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Stinger has been! There's some definite leads by far and some total duds...my poor Solaris VII 'Mechs.
...one thing at a time? I hope that those not put up for funding immediately will still have a chance later on...
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Or at least get worked into the online release schedule.
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Is anyone counting?
Yes, I also have been counting.
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Ya know...it's odd, I haven't been able to get on for a while due to the site being down...as well as being just busy, but I did have a thought about why the Hellspawn wasn't voted for a resculpt. Now...it's been suggested! LOL
Speck...am I able to use any pledge money I would offer towards my business purchases? If so...I'd fund whole minis myself.
As far as the list goes...
From Dak's List...
Von Rohrs
Bellerophon
Volkh
I'd really like the Primitive Wolverine but others are long over due.
From Stinger's List
Centurion Omni Alt D
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Stinger has been! There's some definite leads by far and some total duds...my poor Solaris VII 'Mechs.
Ok, honesty time: I actually thought it would either be cruel to IWM to have them try to mold the Porcupine in a sane number of parts, or cruel to the fans to have to install all those spikes!
Also, in my case at least, I didn't vote for those mechs entirely because I wouldn't play with them much. It had nothing to do with the quality or aesthetics of the sculpt.
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Unfortunately for the sculptors, I have to agree with sadlerbw. I have one - exactly one - Solaris VII mini.
Would rather see the Anzu in print - them I'll use, for example. But I can understand the appeal to the sculptors.
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Unfortunately for the sculptors, I have to agree with sadlerbw. I have one - exactly one - Solaris VII mini.
Would rather see the Anzu in print - them I'll use, for example. But I can understand the appeal to the sculptors.
So, to comment on this, the Anzu was a TRO released mini with decent appeal. We can likely expect to see it as a distribution mini in the future. All of these proposed sculpts are not going to be in distribution, but online only. Hence why they need fan funding. The Anzu will not need fan funding at all...
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Personally, I've been waiting for years for a Daedalus mini...when it comes out, I'll finally be able to round out my SHDL collection.
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So, to comment on this, the Anzu was a TRO released design with decent appeal. We can likely expect to see it as a distribution mini in the future. All of these proposed sculpts are not going to be in distribution, but online only. Hence why they need fan funding. The Anzu will not need fan funding at all...
Edit: I have no idea how I posted this...
Edit on Edit: I meant to edit the original post and not create a new one.
Edit on Edit on Edit: oops.
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Primitive Wolverine
Balac
Padilla
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So, to comment on this, the Anzu was a TRO released mini with decent appeal. We can likely expect to see it as a distribution mini in the future.
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/be/beef93d38dfa6dc9dbf14ceb3af4064098fd9fc85fcf3b37cf39943946f1f132.jpg)
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My vote is for
Balac VTOL
Uni HaulerMech
Buster MilitiaMech
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Von Rohrs, Bellerophon, Daedalus, Primitive Wolverine
Hellspawn resculpt.
Preference in that order.
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j-37
primitive wolverine
balac
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Hellspawn
Centurion
Catapult
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Padilla
Buster
Von Rohrs
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Has Speck finished moving houses yet? It's been a week since anyone posted any votes. Can we at least get an official count result? I'm sure everyone is eager to see the winners come to life.
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Going to count them up tonight.
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Here's my current count. (Warning, I'm not so good with numbers.)
Dak:
Von Rohrs: 16
Primitive Wolverine: 24 +1
Bellerophon: 17
Porcupine: 3
Volkh: 1 +1
Daedalus: 2
Aquagladius: 1
J-37 Ordanace Transport: 5
Padilla Artillery Tank: 6
Balac VTOL: 22
Quickdraw 8P with Handheld Weapons: 10
Uni HaulerMech: 11
Buster MilitiaMech: 10
Stinger:
Centurion Omni Alt D (New Variant Parts): 7
Catapult CPLT-C2 (Dark Age Catapult): 16
Hellspawn Resculpt: 19 +1
Thanks again everyone for taking the time to vote and voice opinions.
We'll still need Speck to chime in to tell us where we go next.
Dak
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Here's my current count. (Warning, I'm not so good with numbers.)
Dak:
Von Rohrs: 16
Primitive Wolverine: 24 +1
Bellerophon: 17
Porcupine: 3
Volkh: 1 +1
Daedalus: 2
Aquagladius: 1
J-37 Ordanace Transport: 5
Padilla Artillery Tank: 6
Balac VTOL: 22
Quickdraw 8P with Handheld Weapons: 10
Uni HaulerMech: 11
Buster MilitiaMech: 10
Stinger:
Centurion Omni Alt D (New Variant Parts): 7
Catapult CPLT-C2 (Dark Age Catapult): 16
Hellspawn Resculpt: 19 +1
Thanks again everyone for taking the time to vote and voice opinions.
We'll still need Speck to chime in to tell us where we go next.
Dak
You beat me to it. Will post tomorrow night about next step, now that I am finally caught up from my move on emails.
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So below is the that we will go with for this round.
Primitive Wolverine (Dak)
Balac VTOL (Dak)
Hellspawn Resculpt (Stinger)
Bellerophon (Dak)
Catapult CPLT-C2 (Dark Age Catapult) (Stinger)
Von Rohrs (Dak)
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six! :o
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Only thing I am going to ask, for all that is Holy..... please, either repose the Von Rohrs, or make it possible for us to do......
The only thing I see, when I see the current art is "Go Go Power Ranger"
Nahuris
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UNI
BUSTER
J-37
I really want to see the Uni and buster happen. Now, would the J-37 be smaller than the MWDA one? Many of the MWDA vehicles and IWM vehicles are either the same size, or have a negligible size difference. If it will stay the same size, I can get J-37s off of eBay and repaint them.
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I would love, in the next financing period, for the Swordsman to be considered.
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The Bellerophon made the cut! *happy dance*.
I think I used up all my BT sculpt wishes for this year. ;D
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The Funding thread for Hellspawn HSN-7D Resculpt is now live:
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=57337.msg1062791#new
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Speck...am I able to use any pledge money I would offer towards my business purchases? If so...I'd fund whole minis myself.
Speck...ever get any update on this?
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So, I am going to make one more case for Fan Financing the Hellspawn here. We've stalled around $425, and many of you in this thread voted for the Hellspawn, so let's see if anyone just missed the boat!
Anyone else looking to help finance this guy?
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=57337.0
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If anyone is on the fence still about the Hellspawn, check out this new render!
(http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m579/mccross90/Hellspawn/Capture_zpsn9ngehoo.png)
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That looks so detailed! I would like painting that. It's great that there's a missile door too.
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That is the first 3D rendered mini that I have liked based upon the rendering. (to date, I have always waited for the mini to see if it changes my opinion of it which usually happens. I just don't care for 3D renders for some reason.)
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That is the first 3D rendered mini that I have liked based upon the rendering. (to date, I have always waited for the mini to see if it changes my opinion of it which usually happens. I just don't care for 3D renders for some reason.)
I am glad you like it!
I am having 2 prototypes 3D printed and should have them in hand middle of next week. I literally took that exact model, in that exact pose, and had it printed :)
I'll be sure to show it off!
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I am glad you like it!
I am having 2 prototypes 3D printed and should have them in hand middle of next week. I literally took that exact model, in that exact pose, and had it printed :)
I'll be sure to show it off!
Please do! I'm getting some serious MW4 Nolstalgia with this one.
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The Balac VTOL thread is now live (includes new render):
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=57820.0
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Two left, Von Rohrs (Just posted Funding thread for) and Bellerophon. Both of these Dak will be doing.