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Battleforce Player Aid
« on: 26 March 2024, 15:11:25 »
After the 3rd or 4th complete reading of Interstellar Operations, when it was in SO and now- reviewing Battleforce 2- and after the necessity of having to dig for these time and time again, I outline many of the rules I had trouble remembering.  Hopefully these will encourage others to give Battleforce a try and ease the intimidation the introduction of this scale of play can have.  Included in the documents and further down the thread are many modifications that, I believe, improve scalability and over all fun in Aero. 

The use of the ACS system combined with the tactical forms over the ground map is what this is pretty much about.  I hope you all enjoy the work that went into this and look forward to any feedback.
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Re: Battleforce Player Aid
« Reply #1 on: 26 March 2024, 15:19:40 »
The Planetary Map movement of the Combat Units do not translate well by their simple MV division of 4.  To retain the fractional parts I simply use dice to represent or track their movement.  I do not use anything representative on the ACS level except for movement if the scale doesn't include multiple regiments.  Meaning, I move figures up there and do combat on lower scales.  PCM's and further reductions are used.  The dice represent movement in parts, as I said, to retain fractional portions.  1:Arrived, 2-5 movement points, 6:Stand by.  So an Aerospace fighter, having a movement of 6, having started on the map, would enter a hex with it's first movement as a 2, having started on Standy by with 3 remaining movement points required before it is able to shift into an adjacent hex.  He has 5 mv remaining.  He could shift on the 5 and turn the die to 1 again with the remaining MV on the new hex.  He may partial move by remaining on Stand by once the side of 5 is reached and leave open all the adjacent hexes for his next movement by placing the die on 6 as a reminder that movement for that hex is complete.  In other words, each hex costs 4 for movement, with the option to add additional modifiers for terrain as they are shown on the Planetary Map key.  Another example with an Assault Mech with a MV of 4 would require all of it's MV to move 1 hex at a time from Stand by or to remain on the same hex on Stand by.  So, like climbing in the lower scales, movement points are recorded and transfer over to the next movement phase.  This house rule brings Planetary Maps, such as are found in the Touring the Stars or Turning Points series, into a more manageable scope and have them play friendly with ACS scale turns in space occurring every 7th turn.  All other rules can be kept intact if higher scale play is desired without bringing out terrain maps for SBF scale play from confrontations in the PCM map when forces come within range of each other.  That's 2 zooms with space to go further down for higher priority targets, such as the defense of a factory, airfield or city.  This is its own thing.  It might as well be called something else like Scaled ACS. When I complete Aero ACS aids I will explain the relationship of each scale further.  I found no other way to meld all the scales so the time frames and scope link together and give ISaW room to begin small and grow from there in a campaign setting.
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Re: Battleforce Player Aid
« Reply #2 on: 27 March 2024, 12:27:45 »
Adjustments and clarifications made under Battlefield Intelligence to Player Aid file.

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Re: Battleforce Player Aid
« Reply #3 on: 11 April 2024, 22:57:41 »
Added this line, CF/AF LowAlt facing: divide by 7, round down, min 1 TWpg84 to Player Aid file.

Expanded Force Gen with general information and turn orders for BF and adv. BF. 

Working on typing out Combat Player aid and 'Scaled ACS' document that shows how to bring flights down from ACS maps to the Low Alt map with velocity conversions. 
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Re: Battleforce Player Aid
« Reply #4 on: 12 April 2024, 11:26:17 »
Here is a rough draft of the entire idea as it has evolved over time.  My EHS and God permitting, I'll get the remaining two done in a few weeks.  *file removed
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Re: Battleforce Player Aid
« Reply #5 on: 12 April 2024, 18:52:50 »
You're contributing to the ability to scale from RPG mano-a-mano to Interstellar Empire vs. peer adversary... Kudos! :)

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Re: Battleforce Player Aid
« Reply #6 on: 13 April 2024, 15:35:52 »
Scaled ACS player aid is complete and has been added to the downloads of the OP.  Proof read will have to wait until later but I wanted to share it now.  The combat player aid will follow soon as the chest pressure settles again.  I'm freakin' so glad these are finally getting rounded out.

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Re: Battleforce Player Aid
« Reply #7 on: 15 April 2024, 17:11:24 »
A Combat Aid has been added.  That concludes the help aids I have completed to date.  Added  "1 TP rotate axis" to Spheroid movement on Player Aid.  04/16/24 Additional typo and text clarification on all documents.  My apologies if this continues to reset the download counter for each file.
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Re: Battleforce Player Aid
« Reply #8 on: 17 April 2024, 10:49:37 »
Deleted redundant ACS information from Player Aid and added stacking limit information for three scales: "Stacking limit for Ground per hex, Friendly/Enemy, BF:10/10 Elements or 1 Large Element each side, SBF: 2 SBF Formations, 1 Infantry and 1 of any other type per side, ACS: 16/16 Combat Units (2 full ACS Formations, Recon Formations take up ¼, Dropzones/Fortifications 48friendly/24hostile".

Added the following line to Scaled ACS file: (CRM Recon/Detection range pg.243

Added the following line to Force Gen file: Battleforce 2 1997 pg.106-109 Campaign, Scavenge, Repair, Maintenance, Limited Supply (I believe these are superior to C.O. in their playability), Interstellar Ops and expanded information on PAM.
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Re: Battleforce Player Aid
« Reply #9 on: 17 April 2024, 17:46:28 »
Just for reference, editing a post won't advertise as "new" to folks following your thread.  Only new posts do that. :)

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Re: Battleforce Player Aid
« Reply #10 on: 19 April 2024, 14:03:53 »
For fires, I use the torch (tails) side of a dime.  TO:AR recommends the use of a penny, but the penny used for smoke (2 penny's for heavy smoke) and a dime for fire represents what is happening better because of their color and the fact that they can stack with the dime on top and still see if either penny is on its 2nd drift on tails (keep the older smoke on top).  For more details on fire, smoke and their spread take a look over the rules as they are found in TO:AR pg41-46 if the rules seem insufficient in IO:BF by themselves.  Smoke is not produced on the same fire hex that originates it, as stated in TO:AR, but smoke may spread into it from a fire in an adjacent hex.

A nice tip from Pokefan in the Aero Discord gave me the idea of using a tackle box filled with a pair of 12mm dice in 15 of the squares.  Each of these can quickly sort out if a hex rolls high enough for spread of either fire or smoke by using the same roll for each hex (for up to 15 hexes along 3 columns every shake), rather than using a roll for every chance of End Phase ignite or spread.  This saves time and makes the entire Condition more pleasurable an experience.  The rest of the pockets are used to store the pennies and other assortments.
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Re: Battleforce Player Aid
« Reply #11 on: 26 April 2024, 13:13:47 »
Added the following Trooper weights text from pg.155 TM to Force Gen file

   Per Trooper Infantry Weights(minimum)   
Foot 0.085ton (1) each [pg.155 TM]
Motorized 0.195 (1)   
Jump 0.165 (1)   
Mechanized: Hover, Tracked,
& Wheeled 1.0 (5)
Anti-Mech +0.015 each

::edit:: added Round to nearest half ton
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Re: Battleforce Player Aid
« Reply #12 on: 28 April 2024, 11:50:48 »
Added the following lines to Force Gen:

(Roll once for every 100 pv, adjust skill to finalize)

Aero: 1-2 CF, 3-4 ASF 5-6 Choice or mixed

I have found that the more you add the less option paralysis a new player suffers in their confusion or decision making.  The Lance rolls are fun and lend themselves to very strange match ups that can be fun.  If you lack more diverse RAT's than those found in Total Warfare, you can use those found in the First Succession Wars book that has combat vehicles included.  Updated the 3039 file in the google drive, as it was missing some mechs.  I'd blame the MUL loading issues but the mistakes in not noticing the total number of mechs being off is and was a rookie mistake.  Another file of Star League Introductory Mechs was also added that makes things a little easier.  Such things as VTOL's(v) and WiG's(g) will continue to not have RAT lists and you will just have to decide for yourself what you will like to have or use.  This is better, as your needs will depend on whether you have infantry or not.  As you sort your Lances, you will notice some mechs might go better with others, such as combining several Elements with Jump together to enable jump for the entire BF Unit.  Decide together whether you should require splits and detachments to reform them after the fact or if allowances are to be made for pre-fight reconfigurations.

The roll for every 100 pv may force higher skill levels if you have several Heavy or Assault rolls.  You will find imaginative ways to fit under any PV ceiling.  Figure out what works best for you, but it is a balancing act.  Don't stress out about it and play the skirmish scenario out with someone and enjoy yourselves.
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Re: Battleforce Player Aid
« Reply #13 on: 29 April 2024, 22:39:06 »
Added the following line to Force Gen together with misc data for artillery carriages and ammo: (If following IsaW parameters, Artillery can be composed of the lower size to bring into balance, a roll for Lance being a single Element, a company a Lance while also tracking their ammo.  Infantry is the opposite, being one higher.)


As fun as using artillery is, it is so effective with standard, flak and various other ammo types that adding ammo data for this Element should probably be seriously considered and at least will also encourage the use of the ammo support carriages in conjunction with the rules found for them in the SBF advanced options.

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Re: Battleforce Player Aid
« Reply #14 on: 05 June 2024, 18:51:49 »
I wanted to link a thread I have been working on concerning new conversion values.  I have been working hard to figure out how to enjoy Battleforce to its greatest possible potential and have ran into a hard wall with how OP aero is in comparison to ground units.  With the hopes of enjoying Battleforce in all its glory with combined arms regiments all the way from the bottom to the top, this crumbles dreadfully in the face of conversions that have created this balance issue. 

The conversions are simple.
1)Adjust structure of all Aerospace units by doubling the structure value, multiplying it by 0.10 and rounding normally.
Capital ship values are not doubled.
2)Adjust the Threshold value also.  Take the AS armor value x 0.10 x unit size.  Round normally to a minimum of 1.
3)Adjust PV values by the exact difference in structure that was reduced.
4)Add the difference in TH to PV.

For sub caps half the size of the unit is multiplying the values in the original conversion.  This would only affect size 3 to 4 sub caps.  Don't break your balls and keep it simple.

Here is a link to the original thread:
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=85105.msg2013448#new
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Re: Battleforce Player Aid
« Reply #15 on: 08 June 2024, 13:46:58 »
Another custom change that brings balance to Warship level engagements.  It introduces a Cluster Hits table for Large units with weapon arrays like Dropships, Stations and Warships, with the added ability for split damage solutions for multiple targets within the same firing arc.


See the following thread: https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=85141.0

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Re: Battleforce Player Aid
« Reply #16 on: 20 June 2024, 12:00:45 »
General clarifications added to some of the files.

Words added to Scaled ACS to avoid confusion when Dropping Troops.  Movement into the Low Alt map beginning from the edges should only apply to Aerospace units: Have the edges of the maps be the point of exit and entry into the different scales for all units with the SPC special ability.  Also added the clarification that Dropships only reduce their velocity by half in SBF scale at the top of page 2.

Shifted phrases to reduce confusion in Player Aid document for units which reduce velocity by half that came after spheroid movement info.  That was moved up and Airship movement was dropped beside the spheroid data.

Added reference page for tactical fuel tables from Tech Manual in Force Gen document.
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Re: Battleforce Player Aid
« Reply #17 on: 20 June 2024, 13:00:05 »
Optional rule for takeoff and landing fuel costs for dropship units if the current costs of fuel on page 60 of SO:AA seem too small.

https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=85264.0
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Re: Battleforce Player Aid
« Reply #18 on: 30 June 2024, 13:04:10 »
Added with MP to this phrase in the Combat Aid

Charge Attacks: Element size with MP multiplied by 1(.25), 2(.50), 3(.75), 4(1.0).

 

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