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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1470 on: 28 July 2015, 02:09:03 »
(Copy-pasted from an earlier post in the wrong forum section)
Sorry if this is the wrong forum section for this (or if it's already been reported/asked)- long time reader, first time asker.

I was in the middle of writing up a "news timeline" timeline of sorts for a campaign I'm running, with manufacturers announcing new variants and the like when I came to 2769 and saw the BlackJack BJ-1X listed in MegaMek. Looking on MUL, the introductory date for the BJ-1X is indeed  listed as 2769, whereas the BJ-1 is listed as 2757.
This strikes me as odd, as looking at TRO: 3039's Blackjack listing, under "Variants", the following is stated about the Blackjack:

"Early BlackJack prototypes differed from the production model significantly. Originally armed with twin GM Flashpoint flamers and additional heatsinks in place of each autocannon, it lacked jump jets but was powered by a VOX 225 power plant."

I'm assuming the "Early BlackJack prototype" is meant to be the BJ-1X variant, as it meets all the descriptors from TRO: 3039. As you can see, there's a clear contradiction there. How can the "Early BlackJack prototype" have an introduction year later than the BJ-1, the standard model of the BlackJack? Are the dates perhaps swapped mistakenly? Or am I just misreading something? Hopefully you guys can help me figure this out.

TL;DR
Blackjack BJ-1 introduction year on MUL is listed as 2757
Blackjack BJ-1X introduction year on MUL is listed as 2769
Blackjack BJ-1X is presumably the "Early Blackjack Prototype" listed on page 128 of TRO: 3039 (meets all descriptors), whereas the BJ-1 is the standard model. This doesn't make sense. Please clarify. Thanks!
« Last Edit: 28 July 2015, 02:16:16 by Mattiator »

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1471 on: 28 July 2015, 12:09:48 »
The Mauler MAL-2R has its Battle Value listed as 1,596. According to my calculations (as well as those from MML v0.1.40), the BV for this unit should be 1,586. The calculations are as follows:

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Defensive Battle Rating
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  Armor (Ferro-Fibrous):                          206 x 2.5 x 1             515.000             
  Internal Structure (Standard w/ Fusion Engine): 138 x 1.5 x 1 x 1  (+)    207.000  =   722.000
  Gyro (Standard):                                90 x 0.5           (+)     45.000  =   767.000
  Defensive Movement Factor:                      +2                 (*)       1.20  =   920.400
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Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                           920.400

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Offensive Battle Rating
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  Offensive Equipment:                                                                         
       ER Medium Laser                                                       62.000             
       ER Medium Laser                                               (+)     62.000  =   124.000
       ER Medium Laser                                               (+)     62.000  =   186.000
       ER Medium Laser                                               (+)     62.000  =   248.000
       LRM 10                                                        (+)     90.000  =   338.000
       LRM 10                                                        (+)     90.000  =   428.000
       LRM 10 (Ammo 12)                                              (+)     11.000  =   439.000
       LRM 10 (Ammo 12)                                              (+)     11.000  =   450.000
       Ultra AC/2                                                    (+)     28.000  =   478.000
       Ultra AC/2                                                    (+)     28.000  =   506.000
       Ultra AC/2                                                    (+)     28.000  =   534.000
       Ultra AC/2                                                    (+)     28.000  =   562.000
       Ultra AC/2 (Ammo 45)                                          (+)      7.000  =   569.000
       Ultra AC/2 (Ammo 45)                                          (+)      7.000  =   576.000
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                               (+)     90.000  =   666.000
  Speed Factor:                                   5 (Run) + 0 (Jump) (*)      1.000  =   666.000
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Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                           666.000

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BattleMech Battle Value
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  Defensive Battle Rating:                                                  920.400             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                           (+)    666.000  = 1,586.400
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Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                             1,586

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1472 on: 28 July 2015, 12:36:03 »
The Mauler MAL-2R has its Battle Value listed as 1,596. According to my calculations (as well as those from MML v0.1.40), the BV for this unit should be 1,586. The calculations are as follows:


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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Online Database - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #1473 on: 28 July 2015, 15:11:52 »
Locked at 50 pages.  See the new thread at:

http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=47774.0
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http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=1219.0

 

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