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BattleTech Miniatures and Terrain => Iron Wind Metals News and Announcements => Fan Financing 2.0 => Topic started by: speck on 13 December 2015, 15:34:06
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Quarter 1 - 2016 Fan Finance 2.0 Poll has 10 items to vote on, everyone has two votes and once you vote you can not change your vote. At the end of the poll, the top two will be open to have funding threads created.
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Come on guys, we need to get the Skinwalker out there... this Bakenono has NO NO in its name! VOTE IlClan!
/end pointless cheerleading
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Ok, I'm going to stop pouting because the Neanderthal did not make the cut and vote.
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Since I wouldn't help fund anything on this Poll, I'm Abstaining from voting. Maybe next time? :-\
While I often vote for minis I don't need for the "Archive Return Poll", when someone asks for a hand getting one of their Favorites some votes, I wouldn't feel right "padding" the vote for anything to be Fan Funded, since I'm not paying a cent for any of them myself. With the last one I voted with my wallet. While I can't say right now that I wouldn't buy anything on this poll once it has been produced, I CAN say that I don't see ANYTHING on the Poll that I'd pitch in a dollar towards having it sculpted. :-\
Even with the AMAZING work that B-3 does! O0
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Why do you think you would need to fund them? I probably won't (because store credit isn't so usefull from Germany since we are by now able to buy the online exclusive minis from a vendor in Germany, which cuts down on a lot of unnecessary stuff around ordering from overseas). But I know which ones I will buy once they get made. So I voted for those.
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I'm NOT saying that I would "Need" to help fund something in order to Vote for it. But someone was complaining about the whole process earlier this year and even suggested that we DO pay to vote. ::) I can't really explain what I think of THAT "idea" without getting a Warning, so I won't even try. #P I simply feel that IF it would skew the vote towards something that I'm not going to help fund, then why bother voting? Granted, like I did with the Resculpts of the Flashman and Highlander, I bought them once they were Produced and I Might buy any of the ones on the Poll that later get made. However, I didn't vote for either one, and I don't believe we should even have Resculpts as an option for the Poll, much less to be voted on. As I've stated before, there are SO MANY other designs that have yet to see "life" as a Mini, Period, much less that have had a chance at a 1st/2nd Resculpt. Currently, only the Atlas and Blood Asp have been sculpted 3 times (NOT counting Variants), but quite a few others are on their 2nd Sculpt.
Again, while I LOVE the work B-3 has been doing, I Personally don't feel right voting for something to be funded that I won't pitch in a dime to get made, even if I might buy them once they're produced and released.
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Well, it looks like nothing I want will be made, this quarter at least, but I could care less. The only thing that'll stop me from chipping in is if it get's funded before I can toss my hat in the ring.
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While I don't feel quite as strongly as Beachead or Grud, I have to admit compared to the previous FF poll, I'm not that excited about any of these. I'll probably pick up the Bakeneko if its selected, just becuase its a Kurita mech and I can always use one in my SOL battalion but none of the things I actually wanted made the poll. :-\
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Yeah, I feel the same. The two top votes are nothing I will buy. But we have the Black Wolf in third place right now. Need more BAs ;)
Since people can like different units, there is always the chance that some people will not get the ones made they like the most, or even that minis get made you don't care about one bit. The next poll can be quite different, though. Perhaps I will like every single option, perhaps I will like none. Not everything can be made, not everything that gets made will be everybody's favorite.
There is nothing that can be changed about that, there is nothing I would want to change about that. As long as we get to vote and the voting process is fair, that's absolutely the way it should be :)
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I appear to be the only one who's content with the results (so far). O0 Shocker, huh?
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Honestly, I voted for the Bakeneko and the Firefly Resculpt (tho I'd rather see a Hoplite resculpt), so if either wins, I'm happy. :)
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There is always the chance that some people will not get the ones made they like the most, or even that minis get made you don't care about one bit.
Oh, certainly! These things made the poll becuase people wanted them, and in the end the ones that win the poll even more so. Just becasuse I'm not excited about this selection does not make them bad by any means.
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Well, the Bakeneko, I can't even picture in my head, but the Dragoon is just the sort of thing I like to see; filling in the historical gaps of the IP.
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Well, the Bakeneko, I can't even picture in my head, but the Dragoon is just the sort of thing I like to see; filling in the historical gaps of the IP.
It's basically a re-sculpt of the Phoenix Hawk re-seen. They share a lot of commonalities, though it looks quite different in the details. Same, overall shape, though.
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I appear to be the only one who's content with the results (so far). O0 Shocker, huh?
Well with this wave of support for the Dragoon, maybe will see more Liberation of Terra miniatures among the regular releases of 2016.
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Well with this wave of support for the Dragoon, maybe will see more Liberation of Terra miniatures among the regular releases of 2016.
Definitely hope so!! :-D
Though it saddens me that the Dragoon miniature will see some sort of 1st Succession Wars paint job, instead of a proper, Amaris Dragoons camo scheme. But the fact that it will even exist is enough for me to jump for joy!
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That would depend upon how well the Dragoon sells. If it outsells other newer releases, you might have a chance at that.
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I voted for both BA, as nothing else really caught my eye. I am not a fan of re-sculpting tell everything has one, and the non-resculpts I could not place a single mech. Not sure if that is telling me that I am out of touch with the BT universe or not but you win some and you lose some. I would say this time for me at least it is a minor loss. As I will not help fund them and probably not buy them any time soon but at least they are new units.
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It's basically a re-sculpt of the Phoenix Hawk re-seen. They share a lot of commonalities, though it looks quite different in the details. Same, overall shape, though.
No wonder I'm confused. I think the PHX has gotta be challenging the MAD now for mechs based on it. Just recently we have added the Phoenix Hawk-L and I was also certain the Argotera was a Phoenix Hawk relative.Well with this wave of support for the Dragoon, maybe will see more Liberation of Terra miniatures among the regular releases of 2016.
I'd be thrilled with that.
Definitely hope so!! :-D
Though it saddens me that the Dragoon miniature will see some sort of 1st Succession Wars paint job, instead of a proper, Amaris Dragoons camo scheme. But the fact that it will even exist is enough for me to jump for joy!
I'm not tracking on why the Dragoon would be in a 1SSW army except as a curiosity. I thought they were nearly extinct and obsolete after the war?
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I'm not tracking on why the Dragoon would be in a 1SSW army except as a curiosity. I thought they were nearly extinct and obsolete after the war?
None of the Dragoons accompanied Kerensky on his exile. They were no longer being manufactured after 2778, but the remaining examples and salvage went to the Houses. It's a throw-away line in the Dragoon's fluff, I believe.
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Not exactly. Only a "relative handful" survived the post-Liberation purge. Most likely they were in the hands of mercs and/or pirates. It doesn't sound like the houses still had any and the SL/TH certainly didn't. You will certainly see them as Extinct by the time of the late succession war if it doesn't get tagged as extinct earlier.
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I'm glad to see the Black Wolf doing as well as it is, though I was really hoping that it or the Cuchulainn would have made it through. We really need more BA and those are two of my all time favorites. Hopefully the support will continue through until next time. That being said, of all the mechs on the list, I'm happy to see the Bakeneko where it is.
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While I don't feel quite as strongly as Beachead or Grud, I have to admit compared to the previous FF poll, I'm not that excited about any of these.
Yeah, in the first Poll, if the Primitive Griffin and Rifleman hadn't even made the Poll, there were a few others I would have voted for and helped fund. NONE of the Resculpts though. This Poll? Yeah, nothing really grabs me. :-\ One of the two that I nominated didn't even make the Vote, and since the other didn't even make the Poll that tells me they already have plans for it. O0 Quad-Vee for the Win! :D
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No wonder I'm confused. I think the PHX has gotta be challenging the MAD now for mechs based on it. Just recently we have added the Phoenix Hawk-L and I was also certain the Argotera was a Phoenix Hawk relative.
I'd be thrilled with that.
The Bakeneko (which was my vote) is also utter gorgeousness and a really nice unit for the tabletop to boot. It's in Historical: Wars of the Republic Era.
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Can't say I'm happy with the results so far. After the blood kite just missed getting a desperately needed resulpt last year, it's not even close to the cut? Nothing but frustration from here.
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Well Xavaron, no saying this is how it runs this year, but last year we did one poll and ran the results all year; one after the other. It doesn't say one way or the other on the guidelines, but that may well be the way we do it this year; assuming 4 quarters and 2 models each quarter, it could be the top 8 get done in order, leaving just my Aerofighters out on the cold.
Or we may do a fresh suggestion and poll each quarter, we shall see.
I most note that I cannot recall if in FF 2.0 Wave 1/2015, we set it up that way from the beginning though. At the moment all we know is that the Dragoon and Bakeneko will likely win; there are 3 more quarters in the year though, my friend; a lot can happen. Assume even a worst case scenario; fewer quarters, or fewer models; the blood kite was still reasonably popular and it started very strong; it's been up before and likely will be again. Don't loose hope.
And I agree with you that the model could be improved.
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Yeah, this will save me money. I need/want none of the leaders and none of the ones I voted for/suggested are in the running.
Good luck to those who are excited and willing to put money up for these guys!
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Can't say I'm happy with the results so far. After the blood kite just missed getting a desperately needed resulpt last year, it's not even close to the cut? Nothing but frustration from here.
I do not have one, and so have only seen it on there webpage. What is wrong with the Bood Kite? From what I can see it looks like the art.
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I do not have one, and so have only seen it on there webpage. What is wrong with the Bood Kite? From what I can see it looks like the art.
This may not be the best place for it, but as I understand it; it's rather a similar case to the Highlander, in that the art it was based on wasn't very good and better art (3067) has since come out. Also there are issues of scale, which matters a lot to some people. If you're a Blood Spirit fan, extinct or not, it's also your totem mech and the near top of the line, so you want something that looks great, not just *meh*.
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As long as there are so many designs in all timelines that haven't any sculpt, resculpts aren't that high on my priority. That said, i nevertheless like the Highlander, the Flashman is ok and Firefly, Hoplite, Annihilator, Imp or whatever would be worth to consider - new minis are still better. ;)
Just my two cent.
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I'm all for new mech mini's, hence my vote, how many mechs are still to be sculpted, is there a list somewhere?
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Yep, there is: http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=45804.0
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Well I didn't nominate anything on the list, nor will I buy any but I see that many people hoped for a Dragoon and the Bakanoko (and I'm not basing this on the poll results) so I tossed in my votes for the simple reason that someday the Neanderthal may be nominated and I would be happy to see it produced, just as happy as those who will see the winners of this poll get produced.
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I'm trying to get stoked for the Dragoon. It really is a cool mech, with a nice niche in the BTU.
Just not wild about the style, but would like to continue doing orthos for Behrle. I think this is
one that will look better to me in miniature form.
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I'm trying to get stoked for the Dragoon. It really is a cool mech, with a nice niche in the BTU.
Just not wild about the style, but would like to continue doing orthos for Behrle. I think this is
one that will look better to me in miniature form.
Wondering what the back will look like, since there's no (published) art for it.
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Wondering what the back will look like, since there's no (published) art for it.
You know that was the very first thing that struck me with my first two minis; an Ostroc and an Imp. I couldn't fathom how the artists "knew" what the back looked like. lol.
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You know that was the very first thing that struck me with my first two minis; an Ostroc and an Imp. I couldn't fathom how the artists "knew" what the back looked like. lol.
Yeah. Do they get in contact with the original artist..?
I imagine the back would look like the LNC25-01, due to its production origins:
(http://camospecs.com/images/schemes/58_Pen_BS_Lancelot03.jpg)
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I'm trying to get stoked for the Dragoon. It really is a cool mech, with a nice niche in the BTU.
I think that I will buy it, if there were more LoT miniatures out there, so that I could order an entire force in one go.
Wondering what the back will look like, since there's no (published) art for it.
Well I always thought it looks like an ancestor to the Nova Cat, so I will assume that B3 will also reference that.
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Well I always thought it looks like an ancestor to the Nova Cat, so I will assume that B3 will also reference that.
Yeah. I'm really not worried. B-3 knocks it out with style.
I do wonder if there will be room for variants in the future, given the "OmniMech-like" nature of the design. Going to buy at LEAST a Lance of these, either way. :)
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As long as there are so many designs in all timelines that haven't any sculpt, resculpts aren't that high on my priority. That said, i nevertheless like the Highlander, the Flashman is ok and Firefly, Hoplite, Annihilator, Imp or whatever would be worth to consider - new minis are still better. ;)
Just my two cent.
I think that's the heart of it. I agree that some sculpts are disproportionate or have bad molds, but imagine if your favorite unit had no mini. At all. I guarantee people would be pushing for a Blood Kite sculpt if that were the case :) It's not very fun to play a table top game against IWM's beautiful sculpts while you're fielding a pog with "Blood Kite" written in felt pen on one side.
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I think that's the heart of it. I agree that some sculpts are disproportionate or have bad molds, but imagine if your favorite unit had no mini. At all. I guarantee people would be pushing for a Blood Kite sculpt if that were the case :) It's not very fun to play a table top game against IWM's beautiful sculpts while you're fielding a pog with "Blood Kite" written in felt pen on one side.
yeah...but what else were you going to use your pogs for?
Seriously though; I agree in principle, but at heart I feel that just so long as we have this program going; it's a net good for the game and the community. Frankly I could be happy if TPTB stopped releasing new designs after the XTROs and historicals and just spent a few years filling the gaps before continuing. I know this is now how most people feel though and that's fine.
What I tell myself is though, twofold; 1) Speck or someone would tell us if a super-popular suggestion happened to be on the release plans already and 2) Even FFing a more recent model we would have gotten otherwise eventually makes room on the schedule for something else; another newer model or an already-planned resculpt or filled-hole.
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Glad to see the Dragoon get wide support after just missing out of the funding last round.
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Even though I didn't vote for it, I'm eager to see what B-3 does with the Dragoon. If some of the variants get funded, I'll probably buy one or two for a non-canon scenario. Maybe my 3rd Taurian Lancers find a couple in a long forgot hidden Amaris depot. On a side note, I would have loved to see some new battle armor but I'm not too heart broken. There's always next poll.
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Woooohooooo!
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On a side note, I would have loved to see some new battle armor but I'm not too heart broken. There's always next poll.
The Black Wolf came in 3rd. So no problem there ;)
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The Black Wolf came in 3rd. So no problem there ;)
But in this Vote, 3rd place still wins you nothing. :-\ Also, some designs that did well in the first Fan Funding Poll back in January didn't even make it ON this one, much less place. If that is any indication, anything placed 3rd or 4th or even lower on this Poll might not even make the next one.
And once again, the Vote Results appear all whacked-out on my screen, like the last one did. I have to cut & paste the results in order to make sense of them. :-\ This is how they look to me: (With more space between the names and results, as well as between the 2 columns of results.)
Blood Kite Resculpt Mech 21 (8.1%) 37 (14.3%)
Bakeneko Mech 29 (11.2%) 40 (15.4%)
Black Wolf Battle Armor 27 (10.4%) 16 (6.2%)
Dragoon Mech 27 (10.4%) 28 (10.8%)
Ryoken III-XP Mech 13 (5%) 21 (8.1%)
Ahab Mech Scale Fighter
Dervish Primitive Mech
Firefly Resculpt Mech
Centurion Mech Scale Fighter
Cuchulainn Battle Armor
I'm using Win 7 Pro Edition, with IE 9 (Version: 9.0.8112.16421; Update Version: 9.0.3 {KB2586448}), if that helps. I'll have to try with my laptop, but I think it appears the same way. The Vote Poll itself was lined up normally, it is just the results that are what look weird. :-\ I'm thinking part of it is that the Internet in general doesn't like me, and my desktop PC in particular hates me. #P
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But in this Vote, 3rd place still wins you nothing. :-\
The top 2 or top 3 will get made, as per the guidelines topic. With a small BA in third place, I don't see why it wouldn't get made.
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Quarter 1 - 2016 Fan Finance 2.0 Poll has 10 items to vote on, everyone has two votes and once you vote you can not change your vote. At the end of the poll, the top two will be open to have funding threads created.
Because of that.
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And in the guideline topic he wrote:
Step 2: The poll will be created and open for one week and the top two or three from the poll will be able to have Funding threads created
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=44107.0
With three big 'Mechs I would assume only the first two get made. But with the third place being a very small BA that would require less funding and less time, I think we will see the third place as a mini
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And in the guideline topic he wrote:http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=44107.0
With three big 'Mechs I would assume only the first two get made. But with the third place being a very small BA that would require less funding and less time, I think we will see the third place as a mini
Less funding, Probably. Less time to create? Doubtful. Something that much smaller might even take More time to create a Master for. I'd think they would, being smaller and more difficult to work on, but I know nothing about the process, so I can't really say. While the Guidelines DO state: "the top two or three", the first post for THIS THREAD states: "At the end of the poll, the top two will be open to have funding threads created". NOT the "top two or three", simply the Top TWO. But hey, Speck is running the show, so he might even make it the Top 4, so who knows, right? :D I'm not trying to be the rainy cloud, just trying to keep people from getting their Hopes up, only to have them trashed. :-\ If you expect the worst, then you're Pleasantly Surprised when things turn out better than you'd thought. O0
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I'm not sure there is cause to be so negative about the 3rd place and later spots. Last year, we just did one poll and given; we didn't plan it that way, but those 6 results took up all year to do.
While we may do a fresh poll every quarter, it makes just as much sense IMO to take the top 6-8 results and dish them out as quarters 2-4 for 2016. I mean, it's not like this forum is run on advertising and TPTB need gimmicks to bring us back here as often as possible; the game does that already.
Until we hear more direct guidance on this, it wouldn't make sense to me to loose hope.
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Well, if they wanted to do it that way they could just pitch this last Poll/Vote and go back to the one from January and pick up from there. I agree with that Somewhat, that they Maybe should have taken all the ones getting 20+ Votes. That only would have added 2 more to the Production List though (making 8 total), so maybe dropping it to 15 would work, which would make a total of 12.
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I'm not sure there is cause to be so negative about the 3rd place and later spots. Last year, we just did one poll and given; we didn't plan it that way, but those 6 results took up all year to do.
While we may do a fresh poll every quarter, it makes just as much sense IMO to take the top 6-8 results and dish them out as quarters 2-4 for 2016. I mean, it's not like this forum is run on advertising and TPTB need gimmicks to bring us back here as often as possible; the game does that already.
Until we hear more direct guidance on this, it wouldn't make sense to me to loose hope.
But doing that would mean that some of us would have to give up hope. As what we want did not even make the list this time. If we do a fresh list every time, much better chance of getting what we would like on the list. I do not know of a better way to do this, but at the same time I am not sure that this is the best way. I know from the first set of things in my local group the best seller is the APC's with between the three people who have bought them over a regiment sold (an more expected to be bought soon, I need/want a regiment for my self). Other than that as far as I know only one each of the flashman and highlander. So just because it is popular does not mean it will be a good seller.
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But doing that would mean that some of us would have to give up hope. As what we want did not even make the list this time. If we do a fresh list every time, much better chance of getting what we would like on the list. I do not know of a better way to do this, but at the same time I am not sure that this is the best way. I know from the first set of things in my local group the best seller is the APC's with between the three people who have bought them over a regiment sold (an more expected to be bought soon, I need/want a regiment for my self). Other than that as far as I know only one each of the flashman and highlander. So just because it is popular does not mean it will be a good seller.
fair point I guess; my next IWM order includes a bunch of APCs, while the HGN and FLS are waiting for next time.
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The top 2 or top 3 will get made, as per the guidelines topic. With a small BA in third place, I don't see why it wouldn't get made.
I think that the 3 is only there in case where is a tie for the first or second place.
But I don't mind it is only a top 2, however I would prefer if the process becomes more efficient, so that we can do a Poll every 2 months (average of 1 design per month).
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Yeah. Do they get in contact with the original artist..?
I imagine the back would look like the LNC25-01, due to its production origins:
(http://camospecs.com/images/schemes/58_Pen_BS_Lancelot03.jpg)
We do get in contact with the original artist sometimes (Matt Plog sketched up the rear of the Arion for me) but other times we make some stuff up. The new Chimera is a fusion of the MW4 rear and my own design. The MW4 model didn't have a good spot for the jump jets, so I designed my own.
IAMCLANWOLF and B-3 usually come up with rear detail and it gets approved by the QCC. Rule of thumb is "is there enough detail?" And "does the detail match the style?" If the answers to both of those questions are yes, then we usually don't care.
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We do get in contact with the original artist sometimes (Matt Plog sketched up the rear of the Arion for me) but other times we make some stuff up. The new Chimera is a fusion of the MW4 rear and my own design. The MW4 model didn't have a good spot for the jump jets, so I designed my own.
IAMCLANWOLF and B-3 usually come up with rear detail and it gets approved by the QCC. Rule of thumb is "is there enough detail?" And "does the detail match the style?" If the answers to both of those questions are yes, then we usually don't care.
Awesome! Thanks for the clarification. :) You guys always come up with great work, so I'm sure whatever comes out will be top-notch.
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Any updates on this one?
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Any updates on this one?
Updates coming soon, been busy last two weeks and a bit behind.
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Locking the Poll since funding threads will be opened.