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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1410 on: 07 June 2019, 08:51:07 »
Some of the changes is simply to upgrade the base tech to something more in sync with our reality.
BEcause frankly, noone below the age of 40 would identify at all with the beep and blinking lights of TOS bridges.

It has charm, in a camp "He look it's so cute and anicent" way.

Voice command is a way of life now - trying to say "oh, the future has Starship computers dumber than your thermometer" won't hold it now.

I'm inclined to ask some of our naval folk if Touch Screen or Voice Command tech has actually even touched the bridge on any of our modern war ships.  If it hasn't, there's a reason.  A lot of the current space-craft, and the station, from what I've seen in images, still uses dials, nobs, and switches. I doubt it's a hold-over of old technology.  I'm thinking a lot of it has to do with reliability in a hairy or explosive situation.



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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1411 on: 07 June 2019, 09:04:00 »
Spacecraft very specifically use technology a few years(or even a decade) behind us folks on the ground, because it must be hardened against stellar radiation, and because there can be no kinks whatsoever in the tech.

Down here, we're willing to suffer through the occasional system lock or BSoD in exchange for bleeding edge performance, because in many cases such issues are merely inconveniences. In space, when a system hangs, people die messily. No lock or crash is ever acceptable in a program, even when that program's circuitry is under constant bombardment from cosmic protons, neutrinos, etc.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1412 on: 07 June 2019, 09:08:43 »
Absolutely, voice stress patterns and anything that could interfere with sound transmitting- for spacecraft air venting to thin the atmosphere will change the pitch/tone IIRC.  Touchscreen MIGHT be happening for displays but to give you a example . . . my FDC console had a trackball and the next gen unit designed to be smaller and more mobile (which was not used in the field, but I did see it and familiarized) had a touchpad.  A mouse is a point failure source- someone crimps the cord, cuts the cord, loses the mouse, smashes the mouse, the buttons go out, the track ball in the bottom goes out (or laser), and the list can go on.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1413 on: 07 June 2019, 09:13:33 »
Absolutely, voice stress patterns and anything that could interfere with sound transmitting- for spacecraft air venting to thin the atmosphere will change the pitch/tone IIRC.
Mission to Mars had a scene with this. Nearly couldn't access the computer to save themselves after venting air (micro-meteor strike).

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1414 on: 07 June 2019, 09:30:53 »
I'm inclined to ask some of our naval folk if Touch Screen or Voice Command tech has actually even touched the bridge on any of our modern war ships.  If it hasn't, there's a reason.  A lot of the current space-craft, and the station, from what I've seen in images, still uses dials, nobs, and switches. I doubt it's a hold-over of old technology.  I'm thinking a lot of it has to do with reliability in a hairy or explosive situation.

What does decades old warships have to do with that? Even a "new" ship today was designed like a decade or two ago.

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« Reply #1415 on: 08 June 2019, 14:00:55 »
You know, I just picked up the new Star Trek Shipyards encyclopedia of Star Trek Ships for the Klingon Fleet this week. Love the entries for the ship designs from TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT, but the entries for DISCO just make me really dislike them more. According to this book, most of them are supposed to be sized as Kelvin universe ships (many of the classes states to be 750 to 1300 meters long, whereas the ships that come later are all basically 700 meters or less in length).

Not to mention that I find them UGLY.

And not the cool kind of ugly.

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« Reply #1416 on: 08 June 2019, 15:02:05 »
Given the number of small ships deployed at the end of Discovery I'm not surprised about size change
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« Reply #1417 on: 08 June 2019, 16:00:02 »
The Discovery is huge compared to ships of TOS and even TNG. Star Trek ships always have been on the bit of the small size IMO.  But size mass and other things seem to be quite fluid in sci fi.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1418 on: 08 June 2019, 16:27:12 »
Surely nothing can be anywhere near as egregious as the time or two they made Klingon bird of preys as large as the Enterprise D

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« Reply #1419 on: 08 June 2019, 19:14:10 »
The Discovery is huge compared to ships of TOS and even TNG. Star Trek ships always have been on the bit of the small size IMO.  But size mass and other things seem to be quite fluid in sci fi.

Yeah, this series of books says the Discovery is 750 meters long, or more than 100 meters longer than the Galaxy-class and most of the other classes in DISCO are 100 to 200 meters longer than the TOS/movie Federation ships.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1420 on: 08 June 2019, 20:54:51 »
Surely nothing can be anywhere near as egregious as the time or two they made Klingon bird of preys as large as the Enterprise D

I usually see those as being the K'vort heavy cruisers, while the more numerous little brothers are the Br'el scout vessels.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1421 on: 08 June 2019, 23:02:26 »
Yeah, this series of books says the Discovery is 750 meters long, or more than 100 meters longer than the Galaxy-class and most of the other classes in DISCO are 100 to 200 meters longer than the TOS/movie Federation ships.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1422 on: 09 June 2019, 08:48:37 »
Yeah, this series of books says the Discovery is 750 meters long, or more than 100 meters longer than the Galaxy-class and most of the other classes in DISCO are 100 to 200 meters longer than the TOS/movie Federation ships.

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I was pretty shocked when I saw Discovery and Enterprise side-by-side and DISCO actually seemed to be the larger ship.  More like, DISCO's secondary hull was larger, but Enterprise had the larger saucer section.

Speaking of large saucer sections, remember that the Galaxy-class ships have those huge ellipsoidal saucers.  They don't need to be that long, they make up for it in width.

Just for interest, how does the Excelsior-class compare?

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1423 on: 09 June 2019, 09:05:11 »
I was pretty shocked when I saw Discovery and Enterprise side-by-side and DISCO actually seemed to be the larger ship.  More like, DISCO's secondary hull was larger, but Enterprise had the larger saucer section.

Speaking of large saucer sections, remember that the Galaxy-class ships have those huge ellipsoidal saucers.  They don't need to be that long, they make up for it in width.

Just for interest, how does the Excelsior-class compare?

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Don’t remember the width, but I think the saucer is about 20 or 30 meters wider in diameter than a Constitution’s, and it’s 467 mm long (Constitution original config was 289m and refit was 305m long).

To contrast to DISCO stuff, the cleave ship is supposed to be something over 934.5m long.

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« Reply #1424 on: 10 June 2019, 11:20:33 »
One thing to remember on Discovery's OAL is those longcat-grade warp nacelles.  They REALLY increase the length, as does the arrow secondary hull.

Here's a side-by-side for proportions on both Big E and Discovery; I shrank the Enterprise to a point where its saucer is the same size as the Discovery's - it's probably not an accurate length comparison but shows the proportions of the saucer vs the rest of the ship in each build.
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« Reply #1425 on: 11 June 2019, 18:07:07 »
Also, idle thought to help settle the whole look and feel of the show...don't think of it as a TOS prequel, think of it as an Enterprise sequel.  I dunno, it kinda feels more natural that way to me.
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« Reply #1426 on: 12 June 2019, 08:39:41 »
Don’t remember the width, but I think the saucer is about 20 or 30 meters wider in diameter than a Constitution’s, and it’s 467 mm long (Constitution original config was 289m and refit was 305m long).

At its widest?  Remember, diameter for an ellipse isn't constant like for a circle.

What about *height*?  From the apex of the saucer to the base of the secondary hull?

To contrast to DISCO stuff, the cleave ship is supposed to be something over 934.5m long.

Well, the Cleave *is* designed to ram other ships while cloaked and come out in one piece, so it probably has all kinds of additional structural reinforcement.

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« Reply #1427 on: 12 June 2019, 09:18:42 »
At its widest?  Remember, diameter for an ellipse isn't constant like for a circle.

What about *height*?  From the apex of the saucer to the base of the secondary hull?

Both the Constitution and Excelsior classes have circular saucers (unless you go top to bottom), except at the impulse drives, as does the later, even larger Ambassador class. Ovals on the saucers came (primarily) later, unless you consider the Miranda or Constellation classes.

The Excelsior class is also taller than the Constitution, with a half dozen or so more decks IIRC.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1428 on: 12 June 2019, 09:39:35 »
Nah, I am fine with it as a prequel . . . S2, a few episodes in, discusses why some things are different.  They made jokes about Discovery being a new ship but behind on new uniform issue, having dealt with that several times it was a funny touchstone to me.  It also makes it very easy to pick out when someone new comes on board, such as Pike's female XO since she is wearing the 'current' uniform.  Pike also blames the holographic com system upgrade for putting gremlins on his ship and orders it ripped out to get the ship functioning again- another explanation why the Enterprise does not have that system in TOS.

I like that internally they have some of the same 'era' decor- lattice in the captain's quarters, mess area having a wall issuing food which is definitely a 60s thing, the chairs & tables IIRC are similar to TOS mess.  Weirdest is showing the external of turbolift . . . the ship is not going to have that much open space.  Even buildings with elevators do not have that sort of open space.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #1429 on: 15 June 2019, 16:39:36 »
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Small gallery of D7 art from Discovery that CBS released the other day.
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« Reply #1430 on: 13 August 2019, 20:39:09 »
Bit of an old thread, but some new news during the S2-3 intermission

https://trekmovie.com/2019/08/13/cbs-and-viacom-announce-merger-reunifying-star-trek-franchise/

Looks like Kurtzmann will be taking over the film department as well as the TV side for Trek in the next few years.  It'll take some time for the merger to settle and then projects to start being explored, but it's a start.

Also means we might get movies once more connected to the TV series, which ought to be fun.  Can we not keep ripping off Wrath of Khan though?
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« Reply #1431 on: 13 August 2019, 21:24:12 »
Can we not keep ripping off Wrath of Khan though?

Sure. They'll just rip off The Final Frontier.  ;D

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« Reply #1432 on: 13 August 2019, 21:54:41 »
Sure. They'll just rip off The Final Frontier.  ;D
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Lose 110% of the slapstick garbage like Scotty getting knocked out on a beam or most of the early scenes on Nimbus, and give Captain Kirk climbing the mountain more meaning than he wants to make love to the mountain...yeah. 

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« Reply #1433 on: 13 August 2019, 22:19:14 »
I figured that pretty much all of Spock's not knowing human customs scenes were him trolling.
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« Reply #1434 on: 13 August 2019, 23:16:22 »
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« Reply #1435 on: 14 August 2019, 03:48:04 »
Funnily enough, I've heard of a few people rating The Final Frontier as the top movie because it most closely resembles a long episode of the original series.

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« Reply #1436 on: 14 August 2019, 06:53:43 »
Bit of an old thread, but some new news during the S2-3 intermission

https://trekmovie.com/2019/08/13/cbs-and-viacom-announce-merger-reunifying-star-trek-franchise/

Looks like Kurtzmann will be taking over the film department as well as the TV side for Trek in the next few years.  It'll take some time for the merger to settle and then projects to start being explored, but it's a start.

Also means we might get movies once more connected to the TV series, which ought to be fun.  Can we not keep ripping off Wrath of Khan though?
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« Reply #1437 on: 14 August 2019, 07:37:47 »
Funnily enough, I've heard of a few people rating The Final Frontier as the top movie because it most closely resembles a long episode of the original series.

My main problem with it was the fact that the prison was in the center of the galaxy, and it took very little time to get there. And yet Voyager would take decades to get home from just over twice the distance travelled in STV.

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« Reply #1438 on: 14 August 2019, 12:21:16 »
Well, in STV they were able to use a recently-installed Hyperspace Bypass....
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« Reply #1439 on: 14 August 2019, 12:31:35 »
It also wasn't the first time the Enterprise managed to be faster than Voyager.

 

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