My count is 42? Oo
Anyways... Precaution is welcome. ;)
Same here 42 page count showingYeah, the default forum settings have changed a little.
Also "Kampfgrup" as thread title is absolutely not acceptable, meine Herren! Ordnung muss sein! ;)
Oh you crazy Steiners, you have an old thread not even close to being locked yet, a second 'II' thats locked until the old one hits 50, and you start a new 'II' for kicks and giggles.
Thats just how Steiner rolls.
Thats just how Steiner rolls.
That looks right. Are you going predominantly Lyran mechs or are you throwing in some old Davion favorites too?
Phx? That's a bit small for a command mech isn't it? I understand you want speed... how about a Griffin? Seems a bit more Lyran.
What's the XO's ride?
Not just spped but also JJs and being fluffed for commo. The PXH has two Lyran variants, after all. In BT the conceit is the CO leads from the front, in a mech. My CO's job is not pulling the trigger, its being able to go see for himself and coordinate. Assault mechs are too slow for my purposes. The security lance is heavy mechs but I haven't decided them yet.
The MHQ is for staff officers. Since the CO and XO are off in their mechs, its the job of the staff, the true professional officer class of the LCAF/LAAF, to handle the details and turn orders into reality. Its the only way that BT's setting makes any sense to me.
I can't stand ac/dc.
I wasn't racing to be the first to restart the thread. It was closing, i was simply restarting it. I didn't notice the other one.
Top...too bad Steiner is German, not Swedish..otherwise, thise would be so appropriate for them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnex2xQz6C4
Top...too bad Steiner is German, not Swedish..otherwise, thise would be so appropriate for them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnex2xQz6C4
Eherm, "Gott mit uns" ("God is with us" edit: hm, actually it translates rather as "God SHALL be with us") was the GERMAN Battle cry of GERMAN mercenaries fighting for the swedish king Gustavus Adolfus (those rotten traitors!) during the 30 year's war, so in a way at least in some way it's still fitting (at least language-wise). :PSorry, but at that time Germany had not been created yet, so they were from Bayern, Sachsen, Thüringen and what other duchy or principality you name. So they were hardly traitors, since you can't betray state which does not exist. ;)
But let's get back to topic. Don't want to get another warning for rules violation of rule #4. ;)Okay, but generally it's safe up to the 20th century.
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If you had the option to revive up to three production lines lost in the Jihad (i.e. not included in Objectives LA), which would those be?
Jup, Dragon Fire and Falconer seem like good choices to me as well. But really? No Hauptmann? IMO one of the three most signature and best Mechs we produce(d).
I would trade all the remaining Sunder, Black Hawk-Ku and Avatar lines in for the Hauptmann line. ;)
We should invest in making all the IS omnis... even the Perseus. Seriously, most of the IS omnis are pretty good and it just makes sense to do it.
... But really? No Hauptmann? IMO one of the three most signature and best Mechs we produce(d).
I would trade all the remaining Sunder, Black Hawk-Ku and Avatar lines in for the Hauptmann line. ;)
Did we some how loose the line to produce the flashman?
It was likely repurposed by the Blakists during their occupation of Hesperus II.
The Men Shen and Perseus fall into the "Good 'mech, bad configurations" problem. The Strider should not be touched.
I like the Owens, but think it would be far better with DHS...which, hey the Steiners could easily upgrade it. Actually..
the Steiners should take the first generation Omnis and upgrade the tech...
I really like the fire starter omni also. I think we could really do something nice with the men-shen and the blackjack omni's.
As I said: Good 'Mechs, bad configurations. Seriosly, the Menshen Prime: change the Medium Pulse out for ER Mediums, give it a second ton of LRM Ammo, Active Probe, ECM, and TAG....
I like the Owens, but think it would be far better with DHS...which, hey the Steiners could easily upgrade it.
They were using our lines. They had their own version of the flashman... they could have been making them there. Then again, that line could have been damaged or something. Most unfortunate... i think i'll keep them being produced there... in my universe.
On a side issue, does anyone else think this song has been updated and used by teh LCAF in the BT Universe ("Panzerlied")?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqlE9eNWYj4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqlE9eNWYj4)
German as a people, not German as by being a citizen of a German state (even though they even at that time betrayed the Empire). ;) They all shared the same origin as Germanic tribes after all.
Remember that even during the existence of the Holy Roman Empire there was not only the Emperor (Kaiser), but also a German King (both titles usually applied to the same person).
Other nations that have their origans as germanic tribes are Norway, Denmark, Sweden, and Russia(Via Scandanavian Germanic Tribes). Viking was an occupation not a peope, the society was a Germanic one.
And Scottish (Isle of Skye!)
So Irish and Scots, Germans and Northerners. Good bunch, I say.
Make sure we pick up some Finns along the way.Well, someone's got to drive the tanks. Who better than Colonel Raikkonen?
Ok, so now I'm thinking of making a 3rd Lyran army. This time it'll be a jager unit. I haven't decided which one yet but I'm really excited( and a bit intimidated) with painting checkerboard.
My 6th Donegal is my wall of steel, my 6th lyran guard is my fast unit. Just trying to figure out what i want to do with the new one... any suggestions?
Heavy cav?
Well, I showed my proposed Lyran Jaeger unit on the first page. I like them as a fast, relatively heavy unit, then use BA and vehicles to fill the other needs. I chose the Skye Jaegers because of obvious reasons, but they've also seen a lot of combat since their creation.
I doubt I'll do the checks, because I'm not that good a painter. Camo works just fine.
Not a bad idea, maybe a heavy cav. with omni's and BA.
Yea, youre post gave me the idea actually.i like the idea of heavy cav with head cappers. Probably some blackhawk-ku' for BA transport then use some non omni cav units. Nothing too heavy tho. It'll be hard not to throw in a few Zeus and Banshee tho.
Zeus and Banshee work just fine as supporting units. I wouldn't stick a bunch of 3/5s in, but the 4/6 Banshees work fine, and some 3/5s for assault/defence don't hurt.
Just avoid 3/5ers and throw in as many Jumpers as possible. I'd call such unit pretty unconventional for a Steiner force.
I'm just trying to keep away from the same old, same old.
Ugh, a Jäger unit... do you have a lot of old mechs that you want to find some use for?That's not entirely correct. In 3060s Jägers used to be equipped with some good 'Mechs. Of course, Jägers were no Royal Guards, but no Lyran Regulars either. Just something average.
The Jägers are not exactly high on the priority list when it comes to the distribution of shiny new toys. ;)
I thought we were talking post-Jihad, because your previous posting seemed to indicate that we were.
I could be wrong, but I think it was mentioned in FM 3085 that the Jägers were not exactly favoured when it came down to equipment distribution.
Probably Jaegers from right before the Jihad. So a good smattering of old and new.
...Their Qartermaster rating is "C" which means average equipment.
And sorry i think it is absurd, that line regiments - even if they are shunned and despised at a later point of time - still run mechs older then their grandfathers. There is something between 15 and 30 years since Star League tech has been rediscovered and they are still piloting something like e.g. a ZEU-6S without modernisation?
I think the real old tech should be part of militias, not line regiments.
Only took a week to finally get around to finalizing some choices. #P
Anyway, MY Skye Jaegers (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,25786.0.html). Paint scheme wise, I think I might very well end up doing camo, and then using blue and white checker pattern decals around a leg or something. I'm not painting those checks, and it seems like an acceptable compromise for me.
Sure, you may have much fun with you unit, but they do not look like I'd imagine 1st Skye Jägers in 3067. But if it works for your game, then go for it.
Naturally, since you do not adhere to canon, you can use any 'Mech or vehicle you wish.
But I am not sure about those Hunchbacks. You have put them into company consisting of 'Mechs moving 6/9/(6) or faster. Typical Hunchback moves 4/6. And even if you use 4/6/4 variant, they are kinda slow. How do you imagine they will keep pace with the rest of the company?
I did mention it was the projected rebuild. Its taking what exists in 67, in FM: U, and going from there, assuming the Jjihad didn't kick off.So alternative universe then? You should have said that. Okay.
Must introduce you to the 6/9 HBK-6S, I think is the model. Mostly because I wanted my Lightning company to have the Blitzkriegs, and use something else for the medium company.Yeah, this Hunchback from MW4.
So alternative universe then? You should have said that. Okay.
Yeah, this Hunchback from MW4.
Rather than my pure lances/companies like I tend to do, I made an effort to include other designs this time, but still like the buddy system for them.And that's good.
It also stems from talks about what makes a Lyran unit different than other factions, organisationally. What do they think they do? What do they do well? What do they make? What about the LCAF/LAAF is interesting and different, and not just aping the AFFS? LCTs need not apply. I needed Skye forces, so it ends up as them, because I find the Jaeger concept interesting.I have never regarded Lyrans too high. Just a Davion sidekick, if you ask me. Dim-witted, but with a fat wallet.
I don't know that I ever used the HBK in MW4. I usually stuck with Nova/Blackhawk for mediums, not as fast, but fun jumping, and could fit a Clan LB-20.That because it was only added in the Inner Sphere Mech Pack for first two games, but only for Instant Action play, not for campaign. Only later it was included in MW4: Mercs, and I believe again for Instant Action only.
Big money, heavy mechs and guns, sexy blonds (women and beer), mustache and monocle, as well as fancy German and THOMAS HOGARTH!!!1 = most awesome accumulation of awesome things ever.
And another fine fellow achieves enlightenment. Have a beer!I will left a mug of Weissbrier to that [cheers]
Weissbrier [cheers]
Close enough ;)Weissbiers sorry typo O:-)
You've certainly picked an interesting time to go for the Lyran Commonwealth; once the 3145 books start rolling in, you'll have quite a lot to try and deal with.Not really I have no intentions of going past 3049 O0
(Not that you'd get a lot of sympathy for your predicament from your rimward neighbours, mind you.)
You've certainly picked an interesting time to go for the Lyran Commonwealth; once the 3145 books start rolling in, you'll have quite a lot to try and deal with.
The rest of the 'Verse can kiss our 100 ton blue butts! Bring it on! Alaric's a Steiner, Roderick's a Steiner, and Calamity works for the Steiners! ;D O0 [cheers]
Fah!
The rest of the 'Verse can kiss our 100 ton blue butts! Bring it on! Alaric's a Steiner, Roderick's a Steiner, and Calamity works for the Steiners! ;D O0 [cheers]
We've been shot to peices so many times it's become a badge of honor. 8)
Then here's to our Alliance strong we are and brave
Like patriots of old we'll fight our heritage to save
And rather than submit to shame we’ll die we for those we love
So cheer for the Bonnie Blue Flag that bears the Iron Glove!
Any room for someone who finds this faction to be one of several they like? Also, the Sabaton link is what brought me off of the fence. :D
Have a Timbiqui dark, and welcome to the 40 to 1 club. :D
Any room for someone who finds this faction to be one of several they like? Also, the Sabaton link is what brought me off of the fence. :D
Same boat as me. I refuse to limit myself to just one.
Same boat as me. I refuse to limit myself to just one.
^_^ Nice to be a part of it. Makes me want to do a campaign involving a Swedish-based Lyran unit.I think that we are going to get along O0
Doubtless that's common. The Colonel can attest to my posting on the Blood Spirits board. Now that was a pretty strange thing for me when I started liking them, having been such an anti-clanner. ;D
Welcome Heregar, ive been waiting for you to get here. I'm not heading into the dark age either. I hear we become to new CapCon... not my idea of the LC..
Any room for someone who finds this faction to be one of several they like? Also, the Sabaton link is what brought me off of the fence. :D
Same here Top. I hated clanners. Knly thing i liked them for was salvage. I'll never have any like at all for the green turkeys... ever. Aiden Pride is the worst character i have ever read. I want to pour bleach in my eyes because of reading the whole series about him, Martha and especially Joannah and the way she killer the black widow.
Then i started reading about the spirits...then the Horses.
I'm also a Marian Hegemony fan. But the LC has always been my favorite.
As they say: Follow the money.. ;)
As of FM3085 that is correct.You can always use a Zeus and a Highlander O0
To mark my return to the LCAF i've just ordered up a new Assault Lance from Ral Partha Europe :- Zeus, Emporer, Highlander and Stalker.
You can always use a Zeus and a Highlander O0
In that case, have you thought of trying out the versions of the LCAF from earlier time periods, such as the Age of War or the Reunification War?Age of war has sparked a major interest in me, I already love older designs like the Striker, Crossbow and Ymir 8)
Age of war has sparked a major interest in me, I already love older designs like the Striker, Crossbow and Ymir 8)
I have been using Strikers and Merlins in 3025 campaigns and have just started using Crossbows.
Given some of our recent naming convensions and our overall culture I tend to play on our scandinavian roots as well.
I want Finnish Battlearmor infantry! 8)
Not exactly Scandinavian though... ;)
I consider them more of an in-between... also, we could use some winter warfare specialists. Especially snipers. :DThe Norwegians can help in those areas 8)
The Norwegians can help in those areas 8)
I want Finnish Battlearmor infantry! 8)
I think most derived from the original Kat Steiner's affinity towards German as a language and the Germanic heritage, which became en vogue nationwide. Thus culturally not a lot was amiss, since many regions had adopted the "new old" ways. And concerning what is left of the underlying Irish/Scottish heritage, the Commonwealth includes still the Donegal region, so yes... the loss of Skye doesn't appear as crushing towards the Lyran identity as one may assume.
Weird choice of name then.
I was checking out some Wikipedia pages (firstly about the shamrock, to see if it technically counts as a clover or not, but kind of branching off from there), and eventualy noted that there's a place in County Donegal (http://www.logainm.ie/14364.aspx) which translates "duibh linn" as... Devlin.
The English word Dublin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin#Toponymy) comes from "dubh linn", or "black pool"; though the official Irish name for the city is Baile Átha Cliath ("town of the hurdled ford"). There are other places in Ireland which have "dubh linn" or "duibh linn" in the name, one of which is anglicised as Devlin.
So, maybe that Celtic design in the Republic's emblem isn't just for show?
Okay, I need some help from the Lyran fanbase. I need an OPFOR for my BForce-scale Mariks, and due to available minis(and my local group has plenty of Capellans already), I've decided to slowly build a Steiner regiment. I'm going for a Lyran Regulars force due to ease of painting. Any recommendations for a specific regiment to look at? As far as balance goes, the Marik 'mechs are already going to be on the heavy end of things, and Mariks already have far larger infantry forces than anyone else, but I was going to give the Steiner regiment a stronger armor contingent to even things out. Any advice?
Okay, I need some help from the Lyran fanbase. I need an OPFOR for my BForce-scale Mariks, and due to available minis(and my local group has plenty of Capellans already), I've decided to slowly build a Steiner regiment. I'm going for a Lyran Regulars force due to ease of painting. Any recommendations for a specific regiment to look at? As far as balance goes, the Marik 'mechs are already going to be on the heavy end of things, and Mariks already have far larger infantry forces than anyone else, but I was going to give the Steiner regiment a stronger armor contingent to even things out. Any advice?The 11th Lyran Regulars are know to fight the Mariks, along with the 9th.
Pre 3060 we're still under the influence of the Suns so look at a RCT set up. Really depends on what kind of LC army you want... wall of steel or fast responce type.
The 11th Lyran Regulars are know to fight the Mariks, along with the 9th.
The 10th Lyran Regulars are based on the Free Worlds border in that time frame.
What can you tell me about these units?
The 10th Lyran 'The stinging Barflies' are a medium weight regiment that are (in the 3060's) supported by a regiment of Panzers and a light infantry regiment.
If you want ease of painting habe you thought of any Arcturan guards?
Aren't the Arcturan Guards all white? White is the very opposite of easy painting. It is second only to yellow in terms of frustration. I flatly REFUSE to paint white unless I absolutely have to.You are correct in there colour, and since you dislike it we will forget that I mentioned it ;)
Aren't the Arcturan Guards all white? White is the very opposite of easy painting. It is second only to yellow in terms of frustration. I flatly REFUSE to paint white unless I absolutely have to.
When on parade or ceremonial duties, vehicles of the Arcturan Guards use a flat white paint scheme with no highlights or contrast colors. In the field, tiger stripes are painted on the upper arms of the unit's 'Mechs, and on parade the unit adopts the animal's black, white and gold camouflage.
Lyran guards units are blue and white though.
http://camospecs.com/Unit.asp?ID=655
Having his military and political prowess in our leader would be tempting. Having the Touman of Clan Wolf as the hammer, where the LCAF is be the anvil would be tempting. Having one less enemy would be tempting.
Being the first Great House to be conquered by a Clan is NOT tempting.
I'm curious about what the Steiner fandom thinks of the possibility of having an 'Alaric Steiner' as Archon.
Who's used the Defiance in any varient before? Curious on some of it's outings.
I've used it some and have an opinion but I was curious about the masses :D
Who's used the Defiance in any varient before? Curious on some of it's outings.► DFN-3C is just prototype. For all practical purposes, not present in the BattleTech universe anymore. I don't care about it.
I've used it some and have an opinion but I was curious about the masses :D
This guy is that clan wolf guy right? Child of Katy and Vic? Burn him with the rest of his clan and the jade falcons. Give us our planets back.
Ah, who cares about space-Afghanistan? :P
I say make Alaric Archon, have him monkey-stomp our enemies, retake Tamar, and then Herb can put a nuke in Alaric's shorts if he wants to.
Screw Skye, there a bunch traitorous blatherskites
But 1st Skye Jägers have decided to be loyal to the Commonwealth.
But 1st Skye Jägers have decided to be loyal to the Commonwealth.IIRC, they owed their very existence to Katherine and the LA, not to the Isle of Skye.
IIRC, they owed their very existence to Katherine and the LA, not to the Isle of Skye.
Frankly, its no different. The FedCom/LA/LC has made zero effort outside of Op: Audacity to reclaim any lost worlds.
Frankly, its no different. The FedCom/LA/LC has made zero effort outside of Op: Audacity to reclaim any lost worlds. Now, Skye might very well not be worth the effort, but the political and military will to reclaim that swath of lost worlds is severely lacking in both the IC universe leadership and the OOC fan base.
Frankly, its no different. The FedCom/LA/LC has made zero effort outside of Op: Audacity to reclaim any lost worlds. Now, Skye might very well not be worth the effort, but the political and military will to reclaim that swath of lost worlds is severely lacking in both the IC universe leadership and the OOC fan base.
Hm, but that can't be said for Melissa Steiner II. And she still almost looks like a dude and that's putting it very mildly.
btw, any comments regarding our new RAT?
A lot of Clan goodness, probably the most out of all the successor states. Though I find it a tad weird that there is neither the Atlas AS7-K2/3 as well as the Barghest from Prototypes but rather older variants.
No Hauptmann or Fafnir but we have the Sunder. It is shameful. Just shameful.
On the other hand WiE is no longer its own faction but is just a sub-affiliation of the LC in both RAT and RPG rules now. It's like reprogramming a cult victim: you can gradually ease someone out of the Clan mindset.
No mystery to the Clantech. Everyone buys from the Sea Foxes. (Whether they want to or not ;) )
Deeper pockets. And hidden in those pockets, the WiE! :)
Deeper pockets. And hidden in those pockets, the WiE! :)
I wouldn't be surprised if Defiance Industries was producing some of it themselves. I mean, they'd perfected their Clantech XL in the 3080s.
Compare the Clan-tech units to the other great houses. Steiner has a lot more at her disposal.
Huh? I remember something like "much too costly for mass production".
It was expensive, but it was a perfect replica. Once you get that down you spend the next 60 years making it less expensive.
Sounds about right if common sense is applied, somehow I doubt it thought that TRO Steiner will see many indigenous units sporting Clan spec XL engines. After reading TRO Mercs and ER3145 it seems like we continue suffering beating on all fronts. Advancing our native military industrial base like that (we're no RotS after all which gets free Clan-factories set up by Bears and Sharks thanks to the divine charisma possessed by Devlin Stone) just doesn't fit the picture that TPTB are painting for the Commonwealth for a while now.
Also I highly doubt that we reap any benefits of the Clan-grade factories on Pandora (remember? by 3130 Pandora was back in the Commonwealth).
So what I gather from your post is that you are in fact some closet Lyran? ^^
O0
Let's hope we'll bounce back with a vengeance... the first time in like... ever.
Not sure that'll be possible once the second Clan Invasion kicks in. I think we've seen the end of Lyran dominance in the market place. Some part of me fears, we will be replaced by Clan Diamond Shark as the setting's trade empire.
Not sure that'll be possible once the second Clan Invasion kicks in. I think we've seen the end of Lyran dominance in the market place. Some part of me fears, we will be replaced by Clan Diamond Shark as the setting's trade empire.
Well, we had actually already been eclipsed by the super-awesome RotS by the turn of the century according to earlier publications. But the Sharks/Foxes are the new economical super power by the time the RotS is torn asunder, no question about it.
Not only did we lose our econpmical status, but also we're basically broke thanks to Melissa IIs ingenious scheming to buy up ComStar, which as we know resulted in horrible failure and was basically just used by TPTB to explain how ComStar was able to survive after the blackout and even rebuild their military arm. So from ComStar's PoV we were fully knowingly exploited.
With all the crap we were served, I guess we can be thankful for surprisingly NOT losing our most important industrial planet to the Turkeys.
But well, one can hope.
For the coming of the Star Adders, I simply hope they don't take the obvious route but rather hammer the Combine or the Bears, Turkeys and Horses.
Go with the Dragoons. ;)
No matter how hard they get slapped around, they still seem to recover to former strength.
In other news, thanks to Gray Jaguar's support, the Wolf's Dragoons have been destroyed completely, utterly, and without remorse in 3245.
The Lyran Commonwealth is now just the Lyran Principalities in the Periphery, and the Fidelis misjumped into a supernova.
Not only did we lose our econpmical status, but also we're basically broke thanks to Melissa IIs ingenious scheming to buy up ComStar, which as we know resulted in horrible failure and was basically just used by TPTB to explain how ComStar was able to survive after the blackout and even rebuild their military arm.
Melissa's kroners had nothing to do with ComStar's remilitarization, which was an ongoing project even before the Blackout. And wasn't terribly extensive anyway.
Ok, maybe I remembered the passages in the respective novels incorrectly. It's been a while since I've read them.
Still, it was one of the many failures of the glorious Melissa II.
Well, probably ever other alternative except for Vedet Brewster would have been a better option than Melissa II :P
btw, regarding ComStar it states: "Her propping up of ComStar’s interests within the Commonwealth for so many years after the Blackout certainly put an undue strain on the Lyran coffers while returning little for the investment."
So my statement was incorrect concerning the rebuilding of the ComGuards, not however concerning the actual survival of ComStar.
Well obviously nobody else saw the need to prop up ComStar but her... I guess there's a reason...
"Ick"? So you're also a closet Berliner (which I am btw :P)? ;)
I have been having a conversation with a closet in Berlin? This... this is news ;)As Abaddon is saying, (in a less than round about way) "ich bin ein Lyraner", and the always favorite "Steiner uber alles!" >:D ahem, I mean O:-)
Not happy with the way Trillian left the ELH to die on Hesperus.
Thought the Commonwealth was supposed to treat its merc's with respect.
I think, given the legal history there, it was pretty apparent.
I think, given the legal history there, it was pretty apparent.
That virtually falls into the "fool me twice..." category for the ELH. That was the SECOND time House Steiner screwed the ELH over on the very same planet.
Well someone had to make that stunt look convincing. You hire mercenaries to die in the place of House troops. Once upon a time people just accepted that, but in an era where every author had a pet unit that he made out to be invincible, people forgot.
Here (http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3351/undine-battle-armor-standard) you go.
Kit, you're going to have to explain how Undine BA is Finnish, because I still can't figure out what the heck you mean.It's got fins! Duh! :D
It's got fins! Duh! :D
Hey, I'm doing a campaign as a planetary militia in the Commonwealth in 3085 (Kaumberg, if it makes a difference), and as I'm new to the whole militia thing, what kinds of units would I expect to see there? I know from Objectives: Lyran Alliance what kind of force composition to expect, in terms of how many vehicles, infantry, maybe a few IndustrialMechs, etc., but idk what types of tanks and platoons to field. Any suggestions?
Manticore is a classic all-around tank too.
I was just reading over Kit's article on the Zeus. Such an iconic mech for us. I'm just wondering which is every ones favorite? 6S, 7T? Zeus Stacy? It's hard for me to pick really. I love the 6S because it's what i cut my teeth on but the Stacy is pure nasty.
What's every ones thoughts?
ZEU-6T where it swaps out the ac5 for a ppc... not 7T.
Yes, ZEU-6T was a nice upgrade.
What do you think about ZEU-6Y Zeus? I have used it a few times, more for fun than because of its combat value. :)
I tried that 10WB zeus once. Too much of a heat monster for me but bou does it put out the damage. I prefer the older designs with the sfe's over the xl's. I can deal with a light engine if need be though.
Personally i prefer the -9T. The -9S2 is a nice supporter, but as combat unit during early 3050s i would prefer the -5T all the day over that damn pulse laser -9S. I never understood why this mech was shown with RS 3039. It has all the goodies that were shown later and works even better than the later series.I expressed the same opinion in the thread about Steiner 'Mechs.
The Zeus -6Y is a lame joke. A 80-ton-mech with 3 weapons and usually less than 20 points of damage. The blazer is even more garbage than the AC 5, and the kept that crap and dropped the additional medium lasers. Sorry, this was a try to bash Steiner once more.
The lack of ammo for the LRMs, the AC5, and the lack of armor should make me hate the Zeus, but I just can't do it. It brings just enough to the table to be dangerous if it needs to be, but clearly its main function is (to me) enabling the commander to put up a fight if need be, but to focus on commanding.
I still think there should be a canon Zeus with a Gauss Rifle/Light Gauss Rifle replacing the AC/PPC
Actually, there are two such models:
1) ZEU-9S2 Zeus - Gauss rifle
2) Zeus Leonidas - customized ride armed with the Gauss Rifle
Wow...how did I miss those? RS3050Uu? Or ONN?
*looks up the 9S2 and blinks* Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!?! Two LRM 15's with 2 tons of ammo each?
That is actually not a bad support 'mech...for an Inner Sphere design.
I wanted to try the wob one again with the light engine but couldn't find it.
Got some love on camo specs today. Another Donegal Guards beauty from Savage coyote.
http://www.camospecs.com/Miniature.asp?ID=6623
Damn...
This would be the first time ever I would consider placing a Defiance down on the tabletop.
Alright, so we know there will be a new Fenrir in our TRO, but I just stumbled upon an old picture of an Uziel II in one of my BT picture folders.
Any guess what that bad boy might bring to the table? Possibly an OmniMech?
(http://i.imgur.com/tXNv4A5.gif)
to me that looks like the front of the wulfen, and if it was designed by wizkids it could be just a recycled bit
It literally says "Uziel II", the Wulfen looks quite different. It was one of the art concepts by Brent Evans who IIRC is still (?) Catalyst's art director (?)
Many of his art concepts can now be seen in the first three TROs. I think it's highly likely that there will be an Uziel II in TRO 3145 LyrCom.
Well, I'm about all Clanned out for the moment.
So, I'm shifting focus back to the I.S. I need someone for my Donegals to fight. Any time period is fine, but I tend to try to keep things around the Clan Invasion through the end of the FCCW. I've got some mechs that come after that, but I lost interest in the Jihad and 3085 and the DA isn't looking all too appealing.
Any suggestions about who I can launch these guys against? I'd like atleast a company's worth of mechs to go with them.
Well, I'm about all Clanned out for the moment.
So, I'm shifting focus back to the I.S. I need someone for my Donegals to fight. Any time period is fine, but I tend to try to keep things around the Clan Invasion through the end of the FCCW. I've got some mechs that come after that, but I lost interest in the Jihad and 3085 and the DA isn't looking all too appealing.
Any suggestions about who I can launch these guys against? I'd like atleast a company's worth of mechs to go with them.
welcome back to the IS. I'm in he same boat you are. I still love the clans but right now i'm into the LC's and my ROMANS IN SPAAAAACE!!! You could always hit the Dracs or Mariks. They're both fun to punish for their insolence.I'm considering Marik honestly. They are the only major house I haven't built a force for and they would fit perfectly on the Steiner border.
What kind of company are you looking to use against them? I have 3 distinct types of Lyran formations. My 6th Donegal guards are my "Wall of Steel" . It's where I've thrown all my slow heavies and assaults, and my slow artillery and tanks. My Lyran Guards unit is my fast style Lyran RCT with cav mechs, hovers and fast infantry/BA carriers. Jager unit is where i throw all the older 3025 type mechs and militia type stuff.\
I like ot be prepared for anything.
When in doubt, beating up Mariks is always fun.
You can try but i don't think you're in any condition to at the moment, now me I think we can move the border back to the region of Bolan O0
He's talking clan invasion era... I think we could manage. O0
That's what i get for not paying attention :-[
It's all good. love the new avatar !
You can try but i don't think you're in any condition to at the moment, now me I think we can move the border back to the region of Bolan O0
Eh Rainbow, now I begin to understand the meaning of your nickname... You change your colors just as easily, it seems... :P
Although it does fit as you say.
Thanks Col, Martian found it for me, on a bit of a FWL kick at the moment.
Am I the only one who looked at Rainbow 6's avatar and said "Galvatron?"
So, I'm shifting focus back to the I.S. I need someone for my Donegals to fight. Any time period is fine, but I tend to try to keep things around the Clan Invasion through the end of the FCCW. I've got some mechs that come after that, but I lost interest in the Jihad and 3085 and the DA isn't looking all too appealing.
Any suggestions about who I can launch these guys against? I'd like atleast a company's worth of mechs to go with them.
I have no idea what that is as I am old :'(
Meh... brain fart or keyboard hickup. Blame whatever you want, but I was of course talking about the Atlas III ;)
I'm not a big fan of the Atlas. Weired being I'm so Lyran. I do like rhe K2 and K3 though.
I've found that both the S2 and S3 variants are quite effective, though the Atlas really isn't my automatic go to choice when I want a 100 tonner.
I've found that both the S2 and S3 variants are quite effective, though the Atlas really isn't my automatic go to choice when I want a 100 tonner.
Looks lime we got some CSO love today.
http://www.camospecs.com/Miniature.asp?ID=6636
I always want to think the Blitzkrieg looks like it has a Heli-pad on it.....I know it doesn't, but...
Hmm... I typed most of them out, but I think I should probably not. I can say I have that Caesar that needs photography and an Uziel that has been photoed and uploaded to away quality control on CSO. The others I have to keep hush hush, but 95% of them can be guess by any good Clan Invasion-era Steiner player :D
How about an Archer and a Banshee?
I'll give it a shot:
I'll guess ten (and no, I don't expect you to answer how well I guessed if this is a hush-hush project)
Zeus, Atlas, Commando, Stalker, Griffin, Marauder, Phoenix Hawk, Awesome, Hatchetman, and Warhammer.
The company's for a CGL product, so there's no unseens unfortunately, but ya'll have nailed several down!
Sorry, can't click on the link.... broken or something!
Is it my lightning company I had planned for post-Jihad ops?
Anybody said "Blitzkrieg"? (Not the mech, but play style :P)
Anybody said "Blitzkrieg"? (Not the mech, but play style :P)
Yes, pointy side towards enemy is very important.
That almost makes me wish I was good enough at really fine details to paint a Fafnir and have on the front of
it "This side towards enemy"
The lyran commonwealth have fans? I thought it was the faction people played until they found their faction.
I've always like the cyclops. Not for the loadout or because it's a cool looking mjni( since it isn't ) but because of the fluff. My merc units always got one as soon as we could. I don't know anything about the DA one but if it's fun as the original and serves the same purpose then I will like it.
Also, I've said this before and I'll say it again. Just because some ine is a social general doesn't mean they're inept. General Hengist (retired ) was a social general and lost few fights.
I've always like the cyclops. Not for the loadout or because it's a cool looking mjni( since it isn't ) but because of the fluff. My merc units always got one as soon as we could. I don't know anything about the DA one but if it's fun as the original and serves the same purpose then I will like it.
So what's every ones favorite part of our new tro? I love the new bushwacker omni!
Nice! I have a buddy with Steiner as a first name. Still can't get him to play...
So what's every ones favorite part of our new tro? I love the new bushwacker omni!
I must say that I find the HOGARTH!! connection to the King Crab amusing.
Really? Reiner is Thomas's nephew, not his son.
Doesn't matter. he was a fun character for like a month (probably less), then it just got annoying.Good thing he's dead now.
Really? Reiner is Thomas's nephew, not his son.
Really? Reiner is Thomas's nephew, not his son.
Oops....well....uh....yeah.
Guess I forgot to read that little important tidbit and just saw HOGARTH and assumed it was a spawn of his.
Katy did way more for us than Vic ever did. If he really wanted to do something for us then he would have taken out the Jade Turkeys instead of use our manufacturing might and money to back his glory hounding.Really? Katy sowed the seeds for the Civil War first by bbreaking off the Lyran of the FC to form the Alliance and then by usurping the FedSuns. All she ever did for Lyrans was see that millions of them get killed, wounded or left homeless. As for Lyran manufacturing might and money, IIRC, the Dracs footed the lion's share of money, n=manufactory and troops to smash the Jaguars. It was Katy's newfound lack of political acumen that got the war shifted to the Jags, instead of the hated Falcons
Katy did way more for us than Vic ever did. If he really wanted to do something for us then he would have taken out the Jade Turkeys instead of use our manufacturing might and money to back his glory hounding.
We all know that Hogarth is pretty much the Most Triumphant Example of the Negative Lyran Stereotype. Who would you guys says is the Most Triumphant Example of a Good Lyran?
...I just defended Victor.We cannot forgive you. First you must forgive yourself.
Katy did way more for us than Vic ever did. If he really wanted to do something for us then he would have taken out the Jade Turkeys instead of use our manufacturing might and money to back his glory hounding.To be fair attacking anyone else but their Falcon arch enemies seems to be evolving into a lyran tradition. Melissa II did it again.
We cannot forgive you. First you must forgive yourself.
To be fair attacking anyone else but their Falcon arch enemies seems to be evolving into a lyran tradition. Melissa II did it again.
Good thing he's dead now.
We cannot forgive you. First you must forgive yourself.
I know (I read the TRO), but for some reason we can't escape him and his legacy continues to live on.Well, we will be phasing out the social generals from the Lyran armed forces soon, but until then they are a burden the Lyrans must shoulder.
Trillian will probably go after the Rim Collection. The impeding Rim Collection invasion IS a valid concern, after all!Trillian is not that stupid, she just lacks an abundance of willpower
"And I bet those ex-Circinus guys are up to no good as well!"
"They are all dead, Archon."
"See? Perfect cover story for a military build-up."
*sigh* "Yes, Archon."
Did they ever catch on that her adviser was a SAFE plant?I hope it was actually a cactus.
We all know that Hogarth is pretty much the Most Triumphant Example of the Negative Lyran Stereotype. Who would you guys says is the Most Triumphant Example of a Good Lyran?
Really? Katy sowed the seeds for the Civil War first by bbreaking off the Lyran of the FC to form the Alliance and then by usurping the FedSuns. All she ever did for Lyrans was see that millions of them get killed, wounded or left homeless. As for Lyran manufacturing might and money, IIRC, the Dracs footed the lion's share of money, n=manufactory and troops to smash the Jaguars. It was Katy's newfound lack of political acumen that got the war shifted to the Jags, instead of the hated Falcons
Well, we will be phasing out the social generals from the Lyran armed forces soon, but until then they are a burden the Lyrans must shoulder.
Did they ever catch on that her adviser was a SAFE plant?
Katy was defending her ancestral homeland from the attacks of a foreign nation. We defended our selves from a foreign invader. Millions gave their lives to see that we could have a free Commonwealth, not a part of an alliance that was no healthy for our nation.
The Fed Suns part of the alliance used our manufacturing might and money to fund their units.
I hope not. I would have to be just another fed suns clone like we were for so long. Why does every one think that social generals have to be incompetent nincompoops? Hogarth must have done something right to be promoted during the Jihad. Maybe in the future the Social Generals will be soldiers that went to the nagelring and graduated with honors. Sure, they are interested in parties and social functions but also know how to command troops. In the future the greatest generals in the Lyran army will be Social generals because they are a gentleman soldier.
And we were getting a major improvement to our military structure out of the deal. Which she promptly undid when she went back to promoting people based on their political connections rather than any actual abilities on their part. She also gutted our most vital border of troops, causing the loss of more worlds to the Falcons, and the second she'd tricked control of the Suns half of the FedCom away from her younger sister she abandoned Tharkad like last year's style and more or less ignored that half of the realm. So much for her vaunted Steinerness.
Why are soldiers promoted soley for their connections measuring up poorly to soldiers promoted for their ability to do their job? I should think the answer is self evident, unless you consider the exception to be the rule.
I hope not. I would have to be just another fed suns clone like we were for so long. Why does every one think that social generals have to be incompetent nincompoops?
I believe Melissa was the one that designed the RCT's, not Hanse as every wants to say. So the major structural advances were a Lyran idea.
Katy brought back the Lyran to the LA. She made new units and bolstered nationalism.
We still had RCT's when she was archon so she did that right and what political leader doesn't promote friends and cronies?
As far as Hogarth goes. Either way, he was promoted and did a good job. His campaigns were successful.
Why are soldiers promoted soley for their connections measuring up poorly to soldiers promoted for their ability to do their job? I should think the answer is self evident, unless you consider the exception to be the rule.
I hope not. I would have to be just another fed suns clone like we were for so long. Why does every one think that social generals have to be incompetent nincompoops? Hogarth must have done something right to be promoted during the Jihad. Maybe in the future the Social Generals will be soldiers that went to the nagelring and graduated with honors. Sure, they are interested in parties and social functions but also know how to command troops. In the future the greatest generals in the Lyran army will be Social generals because they are a gentleman soldier.
Actually, Kitty's contemporaries were all a lot better about promoting people based on merit rather than connections.
I hope it was actually a cactus.
Anyway... Katherine just reset all of the gains that her grandmother, mother, and father had made to reshape their realm into a 31st century fighting force and not just a "ugh smash with assault 'mechs and... wait, surrounded, flanked, and cut off! Crap!" Sure there are bright spots here and there, but when you have to continually rebuild your military with your industrial might because your top dudes are dumb as a brick in the art of war, you have a problem.
If there was a novel written about the LA in that time by some one pro-Lyran it would have painted what she did in a whole different light.
No, that incident was well past the tipping point. Kathrine's hamfisted methods of dealing with planets she didn't like, her previously mentioned tendency toward cronyism, and years of fostering anti-Davion sentiment in the Commonwealth pretty well insured that there was going to be a civil war.
No, it would have resulted in the author being fired and the book rewritten. Writing is done in concert under the aegis of the line developer, not by rogue authors. Herb will dismiss contractors who are fan-boys (or fan-girls) and has made that clear (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,31498.msg732905.html#msg732905).
I've always found it weird how people will stick up for someone like Kathrine Davion and claim that she was altruistic and only wanted to help her realm when we have omniscient viewpoints that clearly show that her entire motivation was desire for personal power and petty jealousy over Victor.
I don't see anything wrong with giving the Lyrans a sense of nationality that is somethine other than being just another part of the Fed Suns. Does anyone that's not a Fed Sun sympathizer think it was a good idea to stay in the alliance? Apparently the line developer didn't and neither do many true Lyran fans.
still, no different than most leaders through BT history...even the jealousy over Victor part.
Don't get me wrong. I know she was a horrible person. She did do good for the Lyrans, that can't be denied. I'm not a Victor fan, I drank the cool-aid for a while but it just always left a bad taste in my mouth, same with Kai. I just preferred Katy. She actually ruled as opposed to Victor who never really did.
It was hypothetical.
Coming up 'hypothetical' situations of what the writers could write to justify a view is pointless. Someone could write that Kathrine defeated all of the Clan warriors in their 'Mechs with her kung-fu powers and united humanity under her rule, but that doesn't change the fact that as she was written she blew up her mom just to advance herself and was constantly driven by power.
If they didn't have such a "Dick Dastardly stops to cheat" mentality, I bet Skye could have legitimately been the powerhouse of the Lyrans.
Coming up 'hypothetical' situations of what the writers could write to justify a view is pointless. Someone could write that Kathrine defeated all of the Clan warriors in their 'Mechs with her kung-fu powers and united humanity under her rule, but that doesn't change the fact that as she was written she blew up her mom just to advance herself and was constantly driven by power.
There was a book for Ravenloft called "I, Strahd." It portrayed Strahd, a character anyone would say was evil, as a
sympathetic character, portraying everything he did as for the good of his people. Would something like that done
to Katherine have really been that bad?
They still could have written something sympathetic, without changing anything detailed. I mean, Katherine *WAS*
a ruler and politically savvy. People couldn't have been loyal to her just because she wasn't Victor. They had to have
reasons to believe she was a good ruler and cared for her people. Otherwise, the FedCom Civil War would have been
a lot of "Look, we really aren't that fond you, but we aren't that fond of Katherine, either. Tell you what..you just move
on, and we will stay here, OK?" I have always wanted to see the side of things that got people to actually be willing
to blow up boats full of evacuees on Kentares, or other acts that we would consider atrocities in the BattleTech universe.
There was a book for Ravenloft called "I, Strahd." It portrayed Strahd, a character anyone would say was evil, as a
sympathetic character, portraying everything he did as for the good of his people. Would something like that done
to Katherine have really been that bad?
It is?
and partnering Odin Manufacturing with Clan Wolf-in-Exile’s Arc-Royal MechWorks resulted in what many initially deemed an abomination.
Although Clan Wolf-in-Exile manufactures the ’Mech, the Viking IIC’s low top speed does not fit with the Clan’s battle philosophy, leading to limited usage among their touman. Thus, the LCAF procures most of Arc-Royal MechWorks’ production runs.
Well, I'd take that more as either a slip of the quill or an ambiguous reference to CWIE's partner ARMW. The 'partner' being omitted to avoid clunkiness because the word was already used earlier in the sentence.
Either way, I don't think that blurb means the company is in Clan hands.
Does anyone know if the Tamar Cavaliers regiment still exists in the Dark Age?
I don't know....want me to play them so we can make sure they're dead? ;)
(Blood Spirit, House Ma Tsu Kai, 6th Lyran Guard, Free World's Legionaires, 9th Sword of light,
units I play seem to die...)
Oh, they were already killed - once - and then they have been brought back to life.
Ah..then they are probably dead in the Dark Age...Herb seems to not like zombie units...
Isn't that from airplane 2?
That is because it is apoorCataphract built by people with a real design budget and mostly sane leadership ;D
I've always liked the Caesar for some reason, but there was never variant I LIKED till that thing came out... yum
Welcome to the best side. We have Timbique dark. O0
This is one for the books. Us Leaguers rightfully zinging the Elsies. Just you wait and you will see us trolling the Cappies!
Stupid planet changes. I am not in the current era, and probably wont be.Agreed!
Stupid planet changes. I am not in the current era, and probably wont be.
They pretty much have to if the faction's going to survive.
Our dog is still behaving itself on Arc Royal. We make absolutely no claim of ownership of any strays you may have picked up.
Remember, when it doubt it's probably the fault of either the Davions or the Liaos.
Remember, when it doubt it's probably the fault of either the Davions or the Liaos.
Well the blame depends on where you are. If your in the league it is Liaos fault and if your us it is Davions fault.
Is the Lyran Commonwealth deemed to fall due to writers hatred towards it?Yes, it may happen - or maybe not. May I remind you that the Free Worlds League actually collapsed? There was no FWL for six decades (in universe) and many years (real world).
So if these books and their content are signs of what to come, i am really shocked. Are we doomed by TPTBs hatred toward this house?I would say that the wisest thing you can do is to wait for the Field Manual: 3145. It should provide us with more details than the relatively brief (and differently focused) Era Report: 3145.
Looking at our newest material i have to say, that we must be deemed to fall.
Is the Lyran Commonwealth deemed to fall due to writers hatred towards it?
Wouldn't the victory at Hesperus II be an indication things are starting to turn around? Not long before you had Alaric tricking Malvina into attacking Tharkad for him and bounced. Now you have Trillian tricking Alaric and Malvina to attack each other and kicking them both off Hesperus II.
...The state of the Lyran Commonwealth is because TPTB decided it was a desired plot development, both on it's own and to facilitate/build up under other plot developments.
For what my opinion is worth, all of the original five Great Houses have plot armor that prevents them from being wiped out. House Marik may have 'fallen' for example, but they carry on in a form. The worst that can happen to Steiner/Lyran Commonwealth is on display already.
Now if you take that presumption as being true, then Steiner's future is actually kind of bright. You can't have an epic comeback without having been behind at halftime, afterall.
On the other hand, if you don't share my presumption (or are obliged to publicly refute it) you can still have hope. All signs point to the Fortress walls coming down, and that must change the dynamic that put the Commonwealth in dire straights. For example, if the Republic becomes a combatant, then the Jade Falcons and the Wolf Empire MUST deal with it. Instantly Steiner's position becomes much improved because both of its most dangerous invaders have new fronts opening up. Furthermore, the Republic has reason to be pissed at just about everyone. House Steiner stands alone in the Inner Sphere as not having grabbed up Republic worlds after Grey Monday. This means the forces coming out of the Republic are going to go anywhere BUT into the Commonwealth. Not only that, but both are each other's only choice for cooperation or alliance.
Another fun thing to think about is ComStar. Whether or not you believe plot armor protects the Great Houses, you might believe that ComStar has plot armor instead/in addition. Sure, the decision to bankroll ComStar while HPGs were down turned out to have awful implications in the short term.. but assuming ComStar does NOT go under, then Steiner will have unprecedented leverage over the organization down the line.
Yes, it may happen - or maybe not. May I remind you that the Free Worlds League actually collapsed? There was no FWL for six decades (in universe) and many years (real world).
I would say that the wisest thing you can do is to wait for the Field Manual: 3145. It should provide us with more details than the relatively brief (and differently focused) Era Report: 3145.
Luckily, you may use some older 'Mechs, unless they have been explicitly labeled as "Extinct".
You don't like the KGC-009 King Crab? Okay. So take the older KGC-001. Its pair of Gauss Rifles is as effective as ever. Or KGC-007 with its paired RAC-5s and Plasma Rifle.
You don't like the ZEU-X4 Zeus? Okay. Try the old ZEU-9S2 Zeus. Yes, this old workhorse lacks the Reactive Armor - but it lacks the XXL Engine too. ;) Or the ZEU-10WB with twin Heavy PPCs. Or the multipurpose ZEU-9T.
Etc.
Do not forget the the Lyran Alliance can import some good 'Mechs - the Neanderthal from the Regulan Fiefs, for example.
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I would not say, that there is something like plot armor, just by looking at the war of reaving. Four clans annihilated and the rest sealed for another invasion. Playing one of those clans would be even more depressing.
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Removing Steiner from the game would not at all be the same thing as killing off the Fire Mandrills or even the Nova Cats.
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...Ever played a 3050 FWLM force?
Let me say it differently: it must be really bad if one has to rely on century old machines because the newer designs just plain suck.
Yet it is fine to disband the FWL and House Marik...
Yet it is fine to disband the FWL and House Marik...
I AM waiting for that one, hoping for some light at the end of the tunnel.You know that the Field Manual:3145 should be released soon - "perhaps" in a week or so. Perhaps you should have waited with your post, until there's more info.
Let me say it differently: it must be really bad if one has to rely on century old machines because the newer designs just plain suck.
As I said, they're carrying on of a sort. They're a far, far cry from dead/written out of the universe. In fact, I'd wager quite a few people find the 'nuFWL' more interesting than the original.I am not counted amongst them, however I do see your point.
Hey, mind the thread title. We have a thread for bellyaching about House Marik.
So IF there is something like a timejump in the near (real world) future, there is no guaranty, that House Steiner is not the one picking the short stick. Maybe Davion, too, but it seems that the always lucky FedSuns needed a kick in the croach after winning and winning and winning. But please detail me the long time wins of House Steiner since the 4. Succession war. I can't see many.
Meh, it's just a drum beaten too often.Besides we all know that Lyrans only enjoy percussion... Instruments
Woah! Who says the social genetals are unloved? Speak for yourself. Not every one is of that opinion.
Woah! Who says the social genetals are unloved? Speak for yourself. Not every one is of that opinion.
It is not civil to ridicule ones spelling or grammar.
Just a reminder that we must remember that tone and other such things, are harder to see in the written word.
Exactly. Let us handle things like that, please. It's why we're paid our princely salaries.
Nope. That was a sarcastic reference to the fact that we're all volunteers.
I know that feel, bro...
So I have a question: do we have any information on Lyran naval tactics? I know that we are desperately low on dropships, but what do we know about how we fight if we have to engage someone in space?
Do not **** with Space Steiners. They will **** your **** up.
YOU go head-to-head with a Mckenna and see how intact your navy is afterwards!
YOU go head-to-head with a Mckenna and see how intact your navy is afterwards!
At least we don't make a habit of crashing them into other warships or planets.Referring to the war ship battle - it would have been better to crush the Yggdrasil into the surface of Skye - and killing all those Jade Chickens - even when it mean to destroy the whole planet.
Challenge accepted!
Lemme see, who still has an McKenna I can send against the CGB Rasalhague.
But who's going to pull aggro from the Dragon's Breath launchers?
Thus far, it seems like a Texas is the minimum cut down that needs to destroy a Leviathan. You're probably losing the ship anyway...but hey! No more Leviathans :D
Are these the same Steiners that had to be given one of their Mjolnir's back after they lost it?
After the fighting for Tharkad, the Eighth was assigned the
surviving warriors and machines of the Seventh Donegal Guards,
which provide a welcome boost to the Eighth’s own depleted ranks.
It's with the Eighth's fluff. I just found it. Another unit of mine that bites the dust. :(
First the 6th gets rolled into the 7th, then the 7th gets rolled into the 8th. Geez
So, it's not REALLY dead....it just changed names ;)
It sucks when you have 20 miniatures painted up to what I consider my better standards. I mean, yeah, it's only a decal but, it's still a decal that has to change. Just getting annoyed at the carousel of destruction. My Wolf unit made it and my Bear unit was Omega which is now.... uh... gone native. Iron Guard was killed off, Coyote galaxy killed in a single sentence in WoR, 3rd Crucis in a sentence or two, and uh, well, I don't count 3rd Division for WoB or The Society as a whole. We at least KNEW they were going to die! :DThe dry-erase markers the Devs use at their grand strategy sessions are fueled with tears. Lord knows they've wrung a few quarts from me. :'(
It's with the Eighth's fluff. I just found it. Another unit of mine that bites the dust. :(
First the 6th gets rolled into the 7th, then the 7th gets rolled into the 8th. Geez
C'mon, how can an Interstellar Nation made of a hundred or so Planets possibly have enough resources to cobble together enough people and equipment to raise a regiment? [wildandcrazy]
The Falcons ate them all?
The Falcons are too busy staring into mirrors and flexing their biceps to notice.
The falcons are always preening. Malvina just does it differently
Yeah..after eating some Lyran babies..I hope you guys can put a stop to her.
Hmm... aside from the Battle Armors and the Sternensturm most of the units in the official TRO 3145 LC are just ... [blank].
Some reinforcements would have been really appreciated.
I like the look of the F variant: iHGR (with CASE II), HPPC, Angel ECM, and 3 Medium X-Pulse Lasers. Pity it's stuck with fixed CASE in the Right Torso.
The M variant is weird: Clan ER PPC, 3 LRM 15s, and a Boosted C3M.
What does everyone think of the new Berserker variant? It looks... weird.
I like the look of the F variant: iHGR (with CASE II), HPPC, Angel ECM, and 3 Medium X-Pulse Lasers. Pity it's stuck with fixed CASE in the Right Torso.
What is weird about the Hauptmann M? It's a Steiner Naginata with improved systems.
The Berserker is brute force. TSM and a hatchet, some clanmade weapons and a Bombastlaser do dial exactly the heat you need. Angel ECM instead of a selfendangering AMS is a real bonus. As long as this new armor works this mech could rock (or draw every fire your enemy can point in your direction).
What is weird about the Hauptmann M? It's a Steiner Naginata with improved systems.
Yeah, dat Berserker... :o
As much as the political scene sucks, we have got some sweet tech.
Bombast Laser for the heat management, and Jump jets! Finally! A canon Berserker with
Jump Jets!
I can't wait to use this beast. DFA with a 'zerker... yes please.
You have to realize that many of the new mech varients for this era seem to be a transition. They're trying out different things to see how it all works before there is another time jump and tech jump.
Sorry, not every mech can be as munchy as the timber wolf. Some of us play mechs because they're quirky or not totally optimised.
Now, true..I could see the Berzerker
with TSM + Supercharger..but, that actually is truly broken when you take into account a 90 damage Charge.
Not sure whether the Trebaruna is Lyran (I figure the 'H' would stand for Hesperus?), but that thing is also outright wicked.In this instance, the H doesn't designate the primary nation of manufacture. At least it wasn't intended as such. Just a comment on the armor. ;)
Which fan tro?
In this instance, the H doesn't designate the primary nation of manufacture. At least it wasn't intended as such. Just a comment on the armor.
But it you want to use it for the Lyrans, I'm not going to stop you.
Everybody loves the Saucy 6th. 8)
Everybody loves the Saucy 6th. 8)
What does everyone think of the new Berserker variant? It looks... weird.
It's easily the best Berserker so far, and it finally discovered a very good use for the Bombast Laser--juggling heat levels with TSM. And the impact-resistant armor is quite important, seeing how often you'll be in melee range.
As I was talking to my group about it...our Jade Falcon player looked at me and said "No, just..no!"
Makes me sad :( Then again, considering what my group has seen me do with the regular TSM
'zerker...or what they have seen me do with a Hatchetman, or, more recently, a Shield-turion..
it makes sense..
If they don't let you use the Berserker ... Do you know that the Lyrans have bought the Neanderthal? }:)
(http://www.warrenborn.com/UnitSection/WS/WS116.jpg)
I am my groups resident Close-Combat Expert in BattleTech. Inside PPC Minimum range is home for me, and in:))
melee is where the fun is. My group generally gets nervous about me in ANYTHING that is close combat focused.
Approximately what one said when they saw the Snub-nosed PPC was "Oh, hey! This is a great close combat
weapon....Never, ever let Mara have a 'mech with that and a hatchet..That will lead to tears."
:))
Well, that excludes the TSM-equipped NTL-AG Neanderthal with twin Snubbies with Capacitors and three M-Pods for critseeking. Too bad.
Some of my Alpha Strike company went liven CSO today. You've probably already seen them if you own the PDF or DTF book, but I thought I'd share :)
Yea, I think we should both stop picking Lyran military organizations :D
;D That reminds me, I bought a Cobra at Origins and I have no idea where it is!
I like the Cobra, especially the -03, but the mini needs new arms. The missile racks are just tiny.
But I would never complain about the firepower this little mech can bring to bear... >:D
Size maybe but not tonage for sure. I like they use the same style launcher as the Zeus. They pair very well together.
Does the Zeus mini still have a patheticly small missile launcher, as well?
Open question for Lyran fandom:
If the Wolf Empire and House Steiner were to be combined into one faction, would that be a good thing or a bad thing?
Amen.
So I'm just coming back to the game in general after a looong absence. What's new with Steiner in 3145? The short of it. I do want to get the era reports and such for 3145 but wallet is empty. :(
...buh. Who? Why? Did they lick the lead window blinds when they were growing up?
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The stability of the Lyran Commonwealth died on June 19th, 3055.
Nearly a proper battlemech...
http://www.camospecs.com/Miniature.asp?ID=5694
The stability of the Lyran Commonwealth died on June 19th, 3055.
There are people who don't?
BTW, are there stats for Hogarth's personal Defiance?
BTW, are there stats for Hogarth's personal Defiance?
I don't know but CSO mentions it having a more expencice targeting suite.
Any one know if there's stats?
I believe it's a joke for the eye monocle :DYeah.
Oh, and yeah, 3T for sure. You get to run straight ahead and watch your enemies scatter before you and ignore you as you haplessly try to get into kicking range all the while screaming THOMAS HOGARTH! repeatedly.
Sounds fun. I'm looking through the mechs I have left and realized I don't have one.. Weird since I'm such a huge Lyran fan
Not weird....it is a Defiance...and Lyrans are not that fond of death traps.
Have you seen the 3025 Zeus?
Yeah, run that LRM dry before closing under 10 hexes and you'll be a lot better off.
Yeah...run the LRM and AC/5 dry, then fight with the Large and forward medium..it is not really
as bad as a Defiance...And, in a world with Targeting Computers, having all that ammo in one
location without CASE is just asking for that location to be targeted, then peppered with SRMs.
Yeah...run the LRM and AC/5 dry, then fight with the Large and forward medium..it is not really
as bad as a Defiance...And, in a world with Targeting Computers, having all that ammo in one
location without CASE is just asking for that location to be targeted, then peppered with SRMs.
Its why I'll usually take the Zeus 6T over the 6S. Much more staying power and more damage output. The 6T can run and fire the lrm and ppc all day... Until that lrm ammo runs out. Then you close.
The good news is, the world doesn't include targeting computers.
Unless of course you play post-3025.
Anything clan in that time could have a targeting computer...
But it wouldn't be targeting any CASEless target begging for an ammo explosion.
And that's assuming you're even bothering with the homeworlds in the first place. If you're playing a 3025 setting game, odds are you're doing so explicity so that you don't have to deal with your gaming group munchkins always choosing Clan mechs ;)
But it wouldn't be targeting any CASEless target begging for an ammo explosion.
And that's assuming you're even bothering with the homeworlds in the first place. If you're playing a 3025 setting game, odds are you're doing so explicity so that you don't have to deal with your gaming group munchkins always choosing Clan mechs ;)
Well, there's also the fact that I don't think the creator used the design rules before writing about it, forcing some creative work to make it a legal design....
My guess ,and this is a guess, is that they were either mothballed or sent to militias in backwater places to help bolster their to&e.
As far as the factories... Probably went back to producing agro mechs
Looks like we got some love on CSO Friday. I'm just wondering what that is coming out of the AC...
http://www.camospecs.com/Miniature.asp?ID=6920
Have you guys used the one with a tsemp? What's it used for? Shooting down drop ships?
I like the Jager style, but yellow and white isn't, IMO, a good color combination.
Honestly, light grey on white background of Alarion Jägers is not much better.
And I could add that I have always felt that the writers could have shown a little more effort when creating very similar liveries for Skye Jägers and Donegal Jägers.
Honestly, light grey on white background of Alarion Jägers is not much better.
And I could add that I have always felt that the writers could have shown a little more effort when creating very similar liveries for Skye Jägers and Donegal Jägers.
Yep, that sounds like something the Lyrans would do in-universe, as well. Especially if the meeting to decide the paint schemes was making them late for a cocktail social.
Yeah, but because all the stuff is written from an in-universe perspective, we blame Comstar for it.
Yeah, but because all the stuff is written from an in-universe perspective, we blame Comstar for it.
It's like people don't read the warning I put in my signature.
It's like people don't read the warning I put in my signature.
Irony is for hipsters.
It's like people don't read the warning I put in my signature.I don't/didn't. I've signatures turned off, though.
Question for the Elsies!Duke - for important worlds likie Coventry or Tharkad
What would be the typical noble rank for a Lyran planetary ruler?
Duke - for important worlds likie Coventry or Tharkad
Count/Margrave/Baron - increasing orders of planetary size and importance.
Emperor at the very least ( 13th warrior reference ) governor general I think... Don't have my books handy
So what do you make of the FR:2765?Considering the Tamar Jaegers wasn't founded until around 2866, I dunno why you'd expect them in 2765..
Interesting new formations in there, the Commonwealth class Light Cruiser and I'd never realised how big the Lyran Guards were.
Only let down for me was no Tamar Jaegers.
Considering the Tamar Jaegers wasn't founded until around 2866, I dunno why you'd expect them in 2765..
You might have meant the Tamar Tigers, but they were a private unit of the Duke of Tamar, and not part of the LCAF (even if they worked with the LCAF).
I think you'd find more French fashion related stuff on New Avalon than Tharkad.
But the Lyrans have more money, and want to flaunt it, don't they? And that's part of the reason for having a jumpship in your hair, to show off how much time you could spend sitting in a chair having five people build this thing. It's not necessarily a French thing, it's a wealth and power thing.
Well of course Lyran fashon favors Lyran styles, that's obvious. I'm just looking for examples of outrageous Haute Couture that I can plop onto a merchant I've created to emphasize her eccentricity.
You know, it occurs to me that given that the Lyran Commonwealth has a population in the hundreds of billions, it probably doesn't have one fashion standard- it probably varies heavily by planet.
One of the civil war novels(Patriots and Tyrants?) had a scene where Katherine Steiner-Davion was looking over her extensive Christmas gift pile and found a dress made by a certain planetary leader who was loyal to her. The dress bared one shoulder but was otherwise pretty traditional but her thought processes indicated that it was too shocking for the Lyran courts but more befitting for her Davion loyalists. Possible insight into styles on both sides of the border.
This is what's being referred to
(http://sourdaine.org/10_Coiffure2.jpg)
To be honest, I don't see how a jumpship or dropship shape could be suitable for this kind of extravagancy, but well, you are all allowed to show more imagination than me. ;)
This is what's being referred to
(http://sourdaine.org/10_Coiffure2.jpg)
To be honest, I don't see how a jumpship or dropship shape could be suitable for this kind of extravagancy, but well, you are all allowed to show more imagination than me. ;)
Look man, it's obvious that if you build a 1/1000 scale model of an Invader or a Monolith, with it's solar sail deployed, and mount it in some fancy lady's hair, it's going to turn heads. Especially if the solar sail is a photovoltaic generator that turns on the lights and makes the engines glow like it's thrusting.
Definitely looks like something from New Avalon ;)
Maybe, but would Kath... errrm, Katrina have loved it? ;)You had a right the first time, her name is Katherine. She was just trying to cash in on her grandmamma's popularity and success.
Maybe, but would Kath... errrm, Katrina have loved it? ;)
This question has probably been tackled to death, but I figured I'd ask it anyways. Since we Lyrans love our quad BAs, I was wondering if anyone could explain the mechanics of how they are operated? I always picture a person driving/piloting it more than 'wearing' it.
Hello!
This thread may be interesting for you:
How do you fit a man in Quad BA? (http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,33491.0.html)
Personally, I imagine it as something ... Do you remember TRON? Do you remember those Lightcycles? So something like that.
Hey bro. Yea, just no time. I'm the Baron of our local SCA group now, so I have to dedicate my time to that. I noticed you haven't been in in a long time. I was going to send you an email but I don't have it. Hope all is well.
Well, outside of Victor's connection they were historically pretty unspectacular. Few even remember the Thundering Elephants.
Yeah, the 6th Guards are the ones who should be rebuilt!
Yea! 6th Donegal guards!
Yeah, the 6th Guards are the ones who should be rebuilt!
Seconded! :D
Or the 7th Donegal...
I was looking at that very nicely painted up 13th LG force in the miniatures section. Dies any one else here have a nicely painted up Lyran force like that? I've sold most of my miniatures since I stopped playing last year but I still have a bunch of Lyran mechs. Matter of fact, it's really all I kept. That and some MH and CBS mechs...
Any one else?
Yea, I did too about 6 months ago. Still kept about 50 or so of my minies. I should pm you on Facebook about some commissions... I'm not good doing the knotwork on the minies and Ihave some Steiner mechs that need painting.
Oh, with the new addition you may not have the time... Just thought about that.
Dies any one else here have a nicely painted up Lyran force like that?
und ein gutes neues Jahr
Frohe Weihnachten! (Except to the Falcons ;) )
i have a game coming up soon. Set in the year 3039. It'll be against the Capellans in a city. the premise is 7 operatives in the city. you have to capture/liberate 4 of the 7 and get them off board. Only infantry may capture/liberate. 1500 BV2, pilots are payed for in the BV. Speciatly ammo is OKed. Also, iconic units only.Iconic units? BNC-3M is not a Steiner 'Mech? Also, I would expect to see CN9-AH in Marik or Davion force, rather than Steiner.
what's your thoughts.
The Steiners vastly prefer the 3S variant of the Banshee.Surely, but it costs more BV.
That's not really a question that can be answered without knowing which unit the regiment is attached to. A Royal Guard regiment is going to be pretty different from a Lyran Regulars regiment.
Alright, let's assume Lyran Regulars.
There is also the consideration that many Lyran regiments have taken heavy damage in the last decade and even modern designs can only take so much damage before replacing it make more sense than continually rebuilding it. And given the heavy losses taken by LCAF forces against the forces of the FWL, the Jade Falcons and the Wolves, the LCAF is likely experiencing a manpower shortage so they likely could afford to sell older designs as well as those that have taken heavy damage.
Iconic units? BNC-3M is not a Steiner 'Mech? Also, I would expect to see CN9-AH in Marik or Davion force, rather than Steiner.
There is also the consideration that many Lyran regiments have taken heavy damage in the last decade and even modern designs can only take so much damage before replacing it make more sense than continually rebuilding it. And given the heavy losses taken by LCAF forces against the forces of the FWL, the Jade Falcons and the Wolves, the LCAF is likely experiencing a manpower shortage so they likely could afford to sell older designs as well as those that have taken heavy damage.
So, maybe a regiment is pulled back for repairs and refitting, and they are so shot up the LCAF decides to bite the bullet and replace their surviving Mechs while they're at it?
What damage have we taken in the last decade? Other than the recent attacks by the wolves and falcons who's attacked us? Wasn't there 50 years of peace?
So... There was no 50 years of peace. So what happened? Did they forget how to build battlemechs during that time? Surely the factories could have been rebuilt in a few years. We do have that clout.
This all sounds dumb. I'm glad I'm not following this new timeline.
No, that there was actual actions but we didn't replace our losses. In 50 years we didn't replace our losses.
I really don't care what's going on with the Cappies and Snakes. I'm a Lyran. I even made a FB page for friends of Lyrans.
It's my opinion that some of the stuff that's happened is just not believable. It's really stretching the imagination that this perfect storm of destruction and inept leadership could happen.
Well, remember that they did have this agreement with Stone to reduce their military..
So, the clans didn't have the drawdown of units like the IS did? why in the world would anyone that had an enemy like the clans at their border NOT keep their military at full strength? I guess this Melissa II wasn't the best leader. I have no idea how long she reigned but some one before her could have been better and kept the forces where they should have been. Isn't it true that the CC didn't do the words to plowshears thing?
If I was Trillian, I'd probably do a soft purge of the officer's corps after that disaster, encouraging many of the useless social generals to take a comfortable retirement, have them take an advisory role with certain companies far away from any combat command, or simply publically fire them. The officers who move up should be mostly those who actually know what they're doing. Trillian should be able to make the right choices with her experience in the LCAF, and the resulting military would be (temporarily) trimmed of the useless fat that was dragging it down.
I know it wouldn't last, but just for a few, glorious years we'd have a competently lead military...
Trillian can't afford any serious purges, she is barely holding on to the throne as it is and she has only been able to do that because of Roderick Steiner and Jasek Kelswa-Steiner's support. If she tries to force officers out of office, she could potentially face a civil war. The best she can hope for is that the incompetent officers (and her political enemies) give her an excuse to remove them and don't cause too much damage to the state in the process.
Maybe she can arrange for them to be in the same situation as the Eridani Light Horse?
You don't think promotion by family ties doesn't happen everywhere? IIT most certainly does.
I'm not saying that it doesn't by any means. However, the LCAF is where it's the most common, most heavily institutonalised and often the most self-destructive
And while Lyran Social Generals are usually militarily questionable, they wield a lot of influence, especially in aforesaid military. The Archon relies on them for support, and can't just go around turfing them out and replacing them en masse, unless they want to find themselves punted off the throne and replaced with the first cousin (or whatever) that comes along.
Sadly, the only time the Social Generals have been declawed was during the FedCom era, when the AFFC engaged in the unthinkable practice of promoting people based on ability rather then who their daddy was.
And thus the NCO Corps must be the strongest in the Inner Sphere, seeing as the Lyran state still exists. ;)
That's my theory, anyway. Yes, I'm biased. I'm still right. 8)
I'm not saying that it doesn't by any means. However, the LCAF is where it's the most common, most heavily institutonalised and often the most self-destructive
Sadly, the only time the Social Generals have been declawed was during the FedCom era, when the AFFC engaged in the unthinkable practice of promoting people based on ability rather then who their daddy was.
And thus the NCO Corps must be the strongest in the Inner Sphere, seeing as the Lyran state still exists. ;)
That's my theory, anyway. Yes, I'm biased. I'm still right. 8)
No, what the Lyrans were good at were simply out-producing their enemies. So while their millitary was losing 'Mechs in droves, they could replace them faster then any other Successor State. The 3rd SW-era Lyrans built more 'Mechs then any other two states put together or something.
To be fair, the Lyrans also faced off against an enemy that plays right into their strength. The DCMS was known for having a complete lack of strategic brilliance. Full frontal assaults don't demand a tremendous strategic brilliance to confront. The famed Lyran wall of steel will get you by when confronting an enemy that throws themselves at you.
The FWLM was also wracked with political problems that undermined their effectiveness in a very real sense. It likewise doesn't require strategic geniuses to fight an enemy that will defeat itself by bringing too few troops, withdrawing troops over political disagreements, or generally not cooperate.
just found this on CSO, some more lovin
http://www.camospecs.com/Miniature.asp?ID=7205
What is the LC trying to tell the honored officers?
You have more brains than brawns, go training?
Or your tactics are as sharp as this blunt hammer?
Or please avoid galas and balls, else you will suffer (from aching muscles and tensions in your shoulder area)?
Be funnier if the name was Maxwells award.
I just layed my hands on the House Steiner Sourcebook. There are, amongst other things, the medals and honors mentioned. One struck me as odd:
The MckKensy Hammer, given to officers who have shown particularly effective skills in tactics or strategy. It's a 20-pound silver hammer, which is allowed (read: expected) to be carried with the gala uniform.
What is the LC trying to tell the honored officers? You have more brains than brawns, go training?
Or your tactics are as sharp as this blunt hammer?
Or please avoid galas and balls, else you will suffer (from aching muscles and tensions in your shoulder area)?
Grayson Carlyle received one at the end of Operation Excalibur.
Grayson Carlyle received one at the end of Operation Excalibur.
If she did the hammer would probably be bigger than she was. She'd need a wheelbarrow to carry it.
Wasn't Lori also awarded one? It was the first time there had been a double award ceremony from memory?
Spoken like a true Social General!
And yet at the end of the Legion she was portrayed as being tactically incompetent, it still annoys me how the Legions end was written.
Quite honestly, there was never a point where I was impressed by the tactical brilliance of the Legion. Their victories seemed to come almost exclusively from fighting until their opponent just gave up.
I never really cared about who they sided with during the Civil War- they were mercs, not a House unit.
I opposed Victor too Top. I applauded the GDL for what they did. To see them snuffed out because they were cool was saddening. I notice the 'goons and hounds are still mucking about though. It's good to have pet dogs though.
Yup, I'm pretty familiar with the situation. I just found it ironic that the GDL is gone but those that sided with victor are still around.
Why? Victor's side won.
:P Ugh, don't remind me. #P
Never understood how Victor was seen as "Davion" - a guy who was brought up on Tharkad, had the classic Steiner features, served exclusively in traditional Lyran units and thought in German...
Other than the entirety of the Davion side taking his side only a few "Lyran" units sided with him. The people of the Fed suns side sided with him. Maybe every one from that side followed him because he associated more with the Davion side.
Actually quite a few Davion units sided with Katherine including the 11th and 22nd Avalon Hussars RCT, the 1st and 2nd Chisholm's Raiders RCTs, 10th and 15th Deneb Light Cavalry RCTs, most of the remaining FedCom RCTs (including the infamous 5th FedCom RCT) and quite a few of the March Militias.
I prefer Katherine to Victor, any day.
I prefer Katherine to Victor, any day.
So...Adam. I like him too. Peter S-D was a putz and just another S-D.
Many "Lyran" units went with Victor. All the ones that had Davion commanders.
Excellent, welcome to the fold. Just remember to bring some information with you, since it is ammunition.
His sister was an excellent propagandist.
Yea, he had the army. Why didn't he take out the Falcons after the Jags? All those veteran units with salvaged clan tech...
The Lyrans had never put effort in trying to reclaim any of their worlds, either. Heck, about the time of the Refusal War, it seemed like there was a total abandonment of any sort of anti-Clan action on that side of the Sphere.
The Lyrans had never put effort in trying to reclaim any of their worlds, either. Heck, about the time of the Refusal War, it seemed like there was a total abandonment of any sort of anti-Clan action on that side of the Sphere.
Your not supposed to mention that part, it goes against the entire "It's all Victor's and the Fed Suns fault for not fighting hard enough for us mantra." :-X
Might I remind you that Kathrine was literally in bed with the Clans?
With Vlad, not the falcons. Besides, that was a smart political move on her part. She would have done the same with the Falcon Khan ( Who was it Martha Pryde? At the time) if she could have. She was a good politician trying to better her nation.
Oh, and might I also point out that the Wolves had, in fact, invaded part of the Lyran territories- specifically Tamar.
I understand you're trying to paint her in a bad light. She was doing her best to helo her nation with out bloodshed. It's the way politicians work. Unfortunately that's not how battletech works and there had to be bloodshed. Victor was just more than happy to leave the nation he was in charge of.
What did he think would happen when he abandoned his people? At least Katherine was there to be a ruler instead of trying to play hero.
If they wanted to get rid of the invading clans when they came back they could have. Victor was a war hero. Those units would have followed him anywhere to take out clanner.
If the Fed suns side ever even cared about the Lyran side, other than to take our money and things we produced they would have helped get the falcons out.
Katherine was a much better choice.
With Vlad, not the falcons. Besides, that was a smart political move on her part. She would have done the same with the Falcon Khan ( Who was it Martha Pryde? At the time) if she could have. She was a good politician trying to better her nation.
I understand you're trying to paint her in a bad light. She was doing her best to helo her nation with out bloodshed. It's the way politicians work.
Victor was just more than happy to leave the nation he was in charge of. What did he think would happen when he abandoned his people?
At least Katherine was there to be a ruler instead of trying to play hero.
Given time I'm sure she could have taken out the falcons.
He also had to do everything himself: he couldn't appoint people to do the tasks. Look at how he responded to Melissa's assassination.
I'm sure if the Steiner-Davions hadn't destroyed the 2nd Star League, the WoB would have gladly given Victor the resources needed to destroy the Clans.
[...] By the time Vic got back to the Inner Sphere, Kat had taken over the FedCom[...]
The Lyrans had never put effort in trying to reclaim any of their worlds, either. Heck, about the time of the Refusal War, it seemed like there was a total abandonment of any sort of anti-Clan action on that side of the Sphere.
They managed to take Pandora from the Falcons in the 3030s. I know there were others... just can't think of the names.
Something else going back to the tripe about the Suns not tryng to help the Lyrans during the initial invasion. Lets assume Hanse decided the Capellans wouldn't have done anything, he orders the Fed Sun Command to strip the Sun's of most of it's units, whats the transit time we're talking about, assuming they have enough jumpships to even move them from one side of the FedCom to the other. Could they have moved enough units to have made any real difference before Tukuyaid and the truce?
As seen on the tabletop, intro tech units are pretty effective against same amounts of bv in clan mechs.
You can't take what's written in books to make the clans super awesome as what happens on the tabletop.
For sure... Just look at Auden's small laser.
AKA Aidan's Boomstick.
Back to Lyran stuff... Has any one used any of the new Zeus-x varients from 3145?
I don't really follow the DA stuff so I didn't know about the DA record sheets.
X3 - Tarcomped ER PPC and Jump Jets? Surely there must some BV-cheaper 'Mech than this Zeus that costs more than 2 200 BV.
Anyone else here fond of the Bolan Province? I think that may be my favorite Lyran region.
Anyone else here fond of the Bolan Province? I think that may be my favorite Lyran region.
You better not let anything happen to the Timbiqui Dark production line!Don't worry, the brewery is safe. We, people of the Free Worlds League, have taken care of it. [cheers]
Don't worry, the brewery is safe. We, people of the Free Worlds League, have taken care of it. [cheers]
To make it worse, they changed the recipe and it' now Czech-style Pils instead of a Stouthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSqO16fA9yY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSqO16fA9yY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSqO16fA9yY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSqO16fA9yY)
We apparently gained a few systems from the Falcons during the time skip, but the Falcons gained them right back plus a whole lot more. There's a reason I grumble about the Falcons' plot armor.
We apparently gained a few systems from the Falcons during the time skip, but the Falcons gained them right back plus a whole lot more. There's a reason I grumble about the Falcons' plot armor.
That is generally true of anyone that has come into contact with the clans. They need to live somewhere in the Inner Sphere. They can't go home. Those bridges are burnt!
Don't worry, the brewery is safe. We, people of the Free Worlds League, have taken care of it. [cheers]
Even the mech designs that were slated for lyran troops were miserable compared to other 3145 designs (others may have there share of lemons, but not as concentrated than the LC.
Surely you jest.
Or don't own TRO 3145 FWL.
The Viking IIc and Götterdammërung beg to differ with your assessment of lemons. It could be much worse. We could have gotten that horrible stalker the FWL got.Yep, the Viking IIc is what i call 'clanmade'. It is a design that is purely Clantech. Just like the Jaguar. I tested both and both designs work. The rest? Not so much. The Götterdämmerung is crap. It's biggest gain is its massive armor, but other, more conservative designs would benefit of the same attribute. The compact reactor on the other hand is extremly heavy, the sidemounted life supports with nothing surrounding them beg for a critical hits and with a roll back to a normal reactor i would gain even more weight (and parts), that could fill the torso sides. I have tested both, the original Götterdämmerung and my redesign and i had to say, that the original is just another piece of crap.
The new Zeuses aren't great but serviceable
I actually like the new King Crab. Not as instantly overwhelming as the original, but far more versatile.King Crab with small cockpit ... what a wonderful ... >:(. Only safing grace is missing hardened armor to get on pair with the Stalker II. Light ACs? Scrap them instantly and use the wasted weight for something useful. For personal use i redesigned the mech already and it might be more conservative but far superior.
Amd we got some very fun tanks. >:D
The Götterdammërung isn't a good mech? It takes forever to kill it. Sure it's got some quirks but that's what makes it fun. The Viking IIc is a clan mech...that apparently we're building. Plus there's the gauntlet. Another one I like.
Well if the #TRO3150 quotes are correct, we were building until the Jade Falcons took the planet.
The tanks are good. The Battle Armor is a close 2nd or 3rd for best of the 3145 series.The Ursa... who built a Quadmech with MASC? Why not a Supercharger? If the MASC fries the Ursa ends with a 1/2 movement. Burning out the Supercharger wouldn't be as desasterous as a burnt MASC. And it would be more compact and lighter...
I'm a fan of the Ursa. It is a really bizarre quad. Maybe not the most effective mech ever made, but interesting. Likewise the Jaguar.
The Götterdammërung isn't a good mech? It takes forever to kill it. Sure it's got some quirks but that's what makes it fun. The Viking IIc is a clan mech...that apparently we're building. Plus there's the gauntlet. Another one I like.
Well if the #TRO3150 quotes are correct, we were building until the Jade Falcons took the planet.
Sorry, i have tested them. I know what i am writing about.Sorry, but I can not quite agree. There are some designs that are quite good even if they are not ClanTech:
If it is not clanmade it is trash.
The Ursa... who built a Quadmech with MASC? Why not a Supercharger? If the MASC fries the Ursa ends with a 1/2 movement. Burning out the Supercharger wouldn't be as desasterous as a burnt MASC. And it would be more compact and lighter...
Nope, the Götterdämmerung ist isn't a good mech. It's selling point is its maximum armor. Something more conventional constructions can field as well. If this armor is pierced critical hits hit really important parts rather fast. The real dead weight of this mech is its compact reactor. A redesign is complicated but possible (although it ends with a Thunderbolt clon more or less).
And once again ... bash the lyrans. They can take it. >:(
So your games are nothing but Hellstars?
Götterdammërung= hardened armor. That's a tough but to crack. It's not a dueling mech. It's meant to be used with a lance.
Sorry, but I can not quite agree. There are some designs that are quite good even if they are not ClanTech:
Winterhawk is just a differently named Heavy Hover APC (SRM). The difference is that Winterhawk is faster (which means that it can better transport your infantry and BA where you need it) and it sports four-tons infantry compartment (that's a significant advntage because it can acomodate the majority of common BA types; Heavy Hover APC (SRM) sports only three-ton infantry compartment). And of course its BV is really low.
DI Multipurpose VTOL let me deploy one team of BA troopers where I needed it, harass enemy with its Light PPC and spot for Semi-guided LRMs with TAG.
Swallow. I used it instead of Saladin and I really enjoyed it. Yes, it's slightly slower and I had to get used to WiGE rules. But common Saladin comes with about 30 points of armor while Swallow has almost 150 points of armor - with the same weapon and almost same speed.
Kelswa. No problem here. It brings a pair of Gauss rifles on the table, and with five tons of ammo. With relatively reasonable BV. Nothing fancy, but it does reliably it's job of a heavy tank.
Gauntlet. I like the older Bushwacker, but those meager 10 shots for its Autocannon ...
I am pleased with Gauntlet's Heavy PPC.
As a FWL-player I have used the Scourge a few times. While it lacks the Falconer's second big gun, having 27 points more of armor is not bad.
Because it already has a XL engine, which makes it vulnerable to engines hits in 3 torso locations. The MASC penalty is also mitigated by it being a quad. Slower after failure, but also less likely to fall as a result.
I think you're missing the point of the Götterdämmerung. It is more than just the armor. It is also the arrangement of the weapons intended to keep it fighting long after other mechs would have gone down. Tear off a side torso? It still has the CT weapons. Take off the head? No problem, it has a torso mounted cockpit. Even when the damage transfers to the CT it still has a well packed number of crits that would be less than fatal. Meanwhile it continues to put out 25 damage a turn in ERMLs and a kick. Not too shabby.
And it's a heavy. That's the important part. It doesn't eat up an assault bay and benefits from whatever arbitrary weight class differences there are between heavies and assaults based on your optional rules.
Maybe they should have thought about that before subjecting the Free Worlds States to the same treatment...
Winterhawk: Still the SRM 2 is worthless. The Winterhawk has 2.5 tons of armor and that is not enough. It is based on a one-way delivery of its BA passengers because it won't see its way back home or anywhere else.As I said above, the Winterhawk does better job than the Heavy Hover APC (SRM) in its primary duty: Fast moving infantry and BA across the battlefield. It's faster than Heavy APC, it can carry standard BA teams while Heavy APC can't, and it has lower BV than Heavy APC (SRM) which means that you can spend the "spared" BV on better BA.
DI Multipurpose: It is not (entirely) the weapons loadout i am complaining about it is the overly massive armor. Shave of 2 tons it will still be enough. I lost 9 out of 10 VTOLs due to rotor destruction.Better to have more armor and not need it than to get hit and find out than your armor is too thin.
Swallow: Saladin was more often a one way ticket to hell than not. Even with more armor the Swallow will die because of the movement criticals. TO-vehicle-rules can help, but the Swallow still tends to strand somewhere the pilot don't want to, keeping it as a bunkertech for one or two more rounds.The same case as with the DI Multipurpose VTOL: Not all vehicles must die because of critical hits ...
Kelswa: Just the heavy MGs that tend to gain ... nothing.Your Kelswa has more armor than both models of the Marik Bulwark, it has more ammunition, it has CASE, it has back-up energy weapons and secondary anti-infantry weapons (on the Dark Age battlefield filled with combined arms formations). And for all these bonuses you pay about the same BV as the Marik players pay for their Bulwark that lacks all these things.
Gauntlet: Supercharger = 1 slot, 1,5 tons. MASC = 3 slots, 3 tons. That is a difference of 2 slots (in a mech as cramped as the Gauntlet) and 1,5 tons of additional pod space. (or 1 ton and more optimized armor)That's the usual problem with the Supercharger that has been inserted into the BattleTech universe and that is so good that it often makes MASC obsolete (because I guess that about 99% of Mechs would rather take slightly more heat from damaged engine than crippled legs on a immobile 'Mech).
Scourge: Worked out the missing 5th jump jet? That's what drives me mad. It is not to be compaired to the Falconer, it is a worsened Jinggau.The Scourge is protected with 211 points of armor which the maximum what the chassis can carry. The Jinggau has significantly worse protection (184 points).
By the way, has anybody ever mentioned, that the LC, apart from clanbuild mechs, does not use clanmade weapons in their machines like any other great house does?Seriously?
The Viking IIc and Götterdammërung beg to differ with your assessment of lemons.
Well if the #TRO3150 quotes are correct, we were building until the Jade Falcons took the planet.
Is there anywhere I can read up on any 3150 quotes?
They were on Ben Rome's Twitter, quite a few were posted in the upcoming release thread as well.
its just an advancement in the fluff of the previous TRO.
Will it be print exclusive or also available as PDF?
Not sure yet.
And that's all there is to say about #TRO3150, coming soon to PDFs and print format. Thanks for watching!
Yeah, going from the fluff in FM 3145 that scene has likely been effectively retconned into that Fafnir being from the Second Royal Guards.
(At least, the German translation "Hofgarde" is a little more creative. And it means a lot if the Germans, of all people, are the more creative ones...).
I was never much of fan of the Royal Guards... I know they were around from the beginning, but it seems the authors have forgotten about them until the FCCW.
Isn't hof house?
I was never much of fan of the Royal Guards... I know they were around from the beginning, but it seems the authors have forgotten about them until the FCCW.
What a lame name anyway! (At least, the German translation "Hofgarde" is a little more creative. And it means a lot if the Germans, of all people, are the more creative ones...).
I like Royal Guards as a name... the LCAF has several Guards brigades. This denotes them as the important ones. Besides, königlichgarde doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.
Not really, the 1st and 2nd Royal Guards RCT are the equivalent of the Otomo, 1st Davion Guards RCT, Red Lancers or Praetorian Guards and outside of small contingents are rarely deployed away from the capital world. The 3rd Royal Guards RCT would probably have wished to have been forgotten after the thrashing the Northwind Highlanders gave them in Highlander Gambit.
I just think that Royal Guard is a terribly generic name, and the Lyrans have a lot of generic names already. Lyran Regulars, Lyran Guards, Donegal Guards, Arcturan Guards... The Lyran line-up is a little dull, when you see the others with their Uhlans, Fusiliers, Hussars, Dragoons, Grenadiers (all of which were present in 19th century German forces), and whatever I forgot. It was probably Katherine s best decision to introduce finally a brigade with a new name, the Jaegers.
And Royal Guards is probably the dullest of the dull names I could image. ;D
I forgot about Highlander Gambit, thanks! Looks like my impression was wrong.
That is mostly because there was no such thing in the Prussian/German history. The Garderegimenter (Guards Regiments) were the ones close to the court, like the 1. Garde-Regiment zu Fuß (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Foot_Guards_%28German_Empire%29).
The DCMS has the Benjamin Regulars, Dieron Regulars, New Samarkand (formerly Galedon) Regulars, Pesht Regulars and the disbanded Alshain (formerly Rasalhague) Regulars. During the Star League those regiments formed more than 50% of the DCMS and even after the losses during the SWs and the Clan Invasion they form the cornerstone of the DCMS. Until the dissolution of the FWL, the Marik Militia Corps did the same for them. Neither the DCMS Regulars nor the
Doesn't really matter, since the Royal Guards preceded Katherine Steiner and her Germanification of the people. Further german influence would explain the Jaegers. But, the foundation was already laid by the Marsdens.
Sorry, it seems the forum cut off some your text. Could you please elaborate?
It does not matter much in-universe, that is true. I was mostly argueing out-of-universe regarding the translation of the Royal Guards to Hofgarde. (Another argument in favour of the name Hofgarde rather than the more literal translation of königliche Garde is, of course, that the Archon is not a King).
Btw., the concept of the Lyran Royal Guards in BT is totally known in Prussian/German military history, just not that name. But that is no big deal to me, since the Lyrans are thankfully not Germans-in-space. It is nice to other concepts and names blending in.
Regarding Katherine Steiner-Davion, I think you right that choosing the German name of Jaegers rather than Rangers or Chasseurs is definetly a political move to win the hearts of the Lyrans, but I would not call it Germanification. Most Lyrans understood German and probably saw the name as way to set the new brigade apart from Suns's units which mostly use French and English terms.
So I used a defiance in table top game yesterday. Other than the mini being top-heavy and falling over a lot ( doesn't fit in a metal base out of the blister ) I really had no problems with it. The tsm is pretty easy to do... both ERPPC's, lb and walk... the weapons work well at range and close in, it's tough as nails. In our deployment all our mechs were interspersed with the enemy to start. I got jumped by 7 mechs in the first turn but survived without going internal ( 2 points of armor left on the left torso ) and survived to the end of the game. I even got behind a blackjack omni with my tsm active, kicked the right leg and destroyed the right torso... worked fine for me.
Anyone else have any good stories to tell about it?
The rest of my Lance was a Zeus 9T, bushwacher 1L, and wolfhound 3S. That bushwacher took out at least 3 and maybe 4 itself.
I forgot about the 4th Royal Guards whose destruction at the hands of the DCMS led to Operation Praying Mantis and the assassination of Coordinator Yoguchi Kurita.
They got bettah....
PS: from the FM:3145 it seems to look bad.
Understatement. And the hints/tidbits we have been getting haven't shown any light at the end of the tunnel.
I would appreciate some help: what novels do I have to read to know what happened to the LC in the Dark Ages? Thanks in Advance!
(Another may be if the DA novels are all worth reading...)
PS: from the FM:3145 it seems to look bad.
I also have a pet theory that the Wolves and Steiner are going to be combined into one faction, assuming Stone does NOT punk Alaric.
It may only get worse. A coup was being whispered. Those seldom just go away.
Pandora's Gambit, Fire at Will, The Last Charge and To Ride The Chimera. IMO the best arc in the MWDA series. There is also A Bonfire of Worlds where Alaric really makes his moves on the Commonwealth.
That would be bad. I prefer House Steiner, the Commonwealth, and the LCAF going down a blaze of glory rather than becoming a Clan-Bastard.
But it seems the authors indeed prepare a Steiner-Wolf merger. The Era Report stated the Lyran citizens comply well with Alaric because he is the descendant of Katherine.
The name Roderick Steiner is quite telling in that regard. The historical King Roderic of the Visigoths came to power under tumultuous circumstances and he lost the decisive battle against a mighty foe, which led to the downfall of the Kingdom. Ironically the Visiogothic Kingdom was founded by Alaric, after he crossed half the Roman Empire; and in BT there is an Alaric...
Also is there a trend of building units attached to a person? I don't mean unit that grew attached to their commander over time, like the 2nd Donegal or the 10th Lyran, but units created by someone and loyal to that someone. 1st Hesperus, Steiner Strikers, Stormhammers? Just wondering. That would not be a good trend, especially not when the traditional brigades are decimated.
Don't forget one of the biggest recent one's... Stones Lament.
All the worrying about us being taken over by the Wolves is a bit silly to me. We're the Cappies of the successor war era. Something will happen and we'll beat them back. No sense in worrying about something that hasn't happened yet.
I was thinking the LCAF must be in trouble if it is being commanded by a 30 year old.
The trend is also not limited to the LCAF. Several formations sprang up around charismatic leaders around the Inner Sphere. The Dragon's Fury, Spirit Cats, Swordsworn and Steel Wolves were all personally loyal to their founders while also committed to a larger cause. The 1st Covenant Worlds 1st Expeditionary Group was formed by Thaddeus Marik and Banson's Raiders... were created by Banson. It is the way things happened in the mass mobilizations after the blackout.
All the worrying about us being taken over by the Wolves is a bit silly to me. We're the Cappies of the successor war era. Something will happen and we'll beat them back. No sense in worrying about something that hasn't happened yet.
But with that much misfortune and dire situations thrown at the LC it would need a real Mary Sue character to turn tides in their favor, wouldn't it? And that is my problem with the entire timeline. Steiner got beaten that bad (most of the time and in the last time in particular), that it takes an irrational superhero to turn things into their favor. Will that happen? A glorious Steiner superhero marching from success to success? Hard to believe...
We the capellans weren't on the ropes? Hansen nearly obliterated them, taking half their territory and giving it to his best friend and his wife.
Thomas Hoggart has a descendant
Good news:
Falcons under attack from a third party
Is there any information/speculation on who the mysterious attacker of the Falcon worlds could be?
Anyway, it could be worse. The worst seems to be breaking up of the Commonwealth.
That was mentioned in TRO3145. He, like his ancestor, became a hero through dumb luck rather than skill during the Battle of Tharkad.
That was mentioned in TRO3145. He, like his ancestor, became a hero through dumb luck rather than skill during the Battle of Tharkad.
Chances are it's the Hell's Horses, although i'd love to see the Home worlds Clans returning.
The Falcons certainly did not make many friends as of late. When I read what they do I almost wish the WoB back to bloody their noses a little.
Dropping in to say hello to the my fellow Lyran Commonwealth commanders. Currently working on a 3rd Lyran Guards Company that I am looking to expand into a RCT over time. Thanks to Col. Hengeist for leading me over here.
Dropping in to say hello to the my fellow Lyran Commonwealth commanders. Currently working on a 3rd Lyran Guards Company that I am looking to expand into a RCT over time. Thanks to Col. Hengeist for leading me over here.
I hadn't planned vehicles yet but am looking into them on sarna and IWM to see what I can have models for.
King Crab
Atlas
Banshee
Zeus
Longbow
Warhammer
Archer
Rifleman
Ah I never realized there was a canon weight limit for lances.
Finally it is an truly assault company with nothing under 80 tons except their 'pet dog'
I'm not a fan of the plasma king crab, besides... It has an intro date of 3101, later than your 3075 cut off.
If you want some plasma throw in a Cataphract 3-LL in to your heavy unit.
Random lance and company weight tables can be found in TW p.265.
Well, there's the Hauptmann E that I already mentioned- GR, 2 Plasma Rifles, 2 MML 5s. Works pretty well against anything.
2? I only looked it up on sarna and there it read like it was only a single PR. 2 will do. There's nothing wrong with adding a second Hauptmann over the King Crab, I think.
Well, there's the Hauptmann E that I already mentioned- GR, 2 Plasma Rifles, 2 MML 5s. Works pretty well against anything.
They haven't erratta'ed MMLs being able to fire inferno away, have they?If not..then..yeah: Say hello to the Hauptman
War Crime Configuration. >:D
4/6/(J)
NSR-9FC Nightstar
Mad Cat MkII
PPR-7S Salamander
Guillotine IIC2 (current fav) alternatives: FLC-9R Falconer/Rifleman IIC 5/DFN-3T Defiance/BNC-7S Banshee/ZEU-9S Zeus/MAD-9S Marauder/? <- ideally another 4/6/4 with LB-X or Plasmas prior to 3075
6/9+
NGS-6T Nightsky alternative: UZL-8S Uziel
UZL-2S Uziel
BTZ-3F Blitzkrieg
WLF-4WA Wolfhound
Falconer 9R has a date of 85, rifleman IIC 5 is 80, that marauder overheats by 5 on a run firing all 3 main guns, my favorite of all of them in spot 4 would be the banshee or zeus.
Spots in the next one...nightsky. the uziel 8s only does 5/8. True, the jump makes up for it, but it's all short range. At least the nightsky has a ppc.
Edit. That nightsky you're looking to use has an intro of 85. I'd go with the 5t
I love the Gotterdamarung. Is it quirky? Yup. Does it live up to the fluff? Very few mechs do. Is it a good heavy that can last a long time on the battlefield? Yes it is.And now its got two new variants to try out & argue about
Nothing but the life support in the torsos? So. There's 24 points in the front you have to get through to get to that, plus the arms are extra armor. Is it a perfect design? Nope. Is it fun to try to use? For sure.
And now its got two new variants to try out & argue about
Uhg... I'm not interested in this era but I may get it just for the Götterdammërung. Is there a decent Zeus varients?TRO 3145 has the Zeus X with a dew variants. TRO 3150 has new King Crab variants (and an eevn newer one in one of the notable pilots).
May I ask about opinions on the Götterdämmerung? Does it live up to the cool name?
At first glance, I think I like it...
Nothing but the life support in the torsos? So. There's 24 points in the front you have to get through to get to that, plus the arms are extra armor.
Guillotine IIC2 (current fav) alternatives: FLC-9R Falconer/Rifleman IIC 5/DFN-3T Defiance/BNC-7S Banshee/ZEU-9S Zeus/MAD-9S Marauder/? <- ideally another 4/6/4 with LB-X or Plasmas prior to 3075
It can have all 24 points of armor and a mere SRM can still TAC out the lonely life support crit. It's really not great at all, in fact it is fairly horrible.
So is a marauder, or a defiance or any Mech with ammo and an XL even with case.
From my experience it does make the Gotterdammerung good at one thing: taking on Gauss Boats and the like. The amount of damage dealt will have a much smaller chance of actually critting out the Gott, so I've found that throwing them against formations low on critseeking but high on sheer firepower works quite well.Normally, such 'Mechs would be afraid of those high-damage clusters removing the head in one shot, but not with the torso mounted cockpit.
TRO 3145 has the Zeus X with a dew variants. TRO 3150 has new King Crab variants (and an eevn newer one in one of the notable pilots).
I think he's saying it doesn't work because the Fafnir and King Crab are supposed to have big guns that throw out large chunks of damage to single hit locations instead of guns that throw out a lot of smaller clusters.Right on the nose.
Yeah, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Two BFGs which hammer the target or two BFGs which sandblast the target... who cares?I personally find it to be a strange role on both designs. Doesn't help I've had a hate-on for the Hyper Assault Gausses ever since I found out they have degrading damage at range.
What era?
So, what would it look like... Imo, a quick reaction force depends on its strategic mobility, i.e. the number of JumpShips and DropShips. It needs a lot of them. Preferrably it also has WarShip support. The ground force would also need some mobility, but not that much. More important is that they hit really hard to quickly overwhelm the enemy and move on to the next crisis. This means predominantly heavy mechs and a good number of assaults, fast if possible. (The in-universe narrative makes the Zeus-X appear quite suited e.g., even if actual gamers have a different opinion).
Here is the kicker: you want most of the mechs and battle armor to be jump capable. Why? Because that way
they can drop in on the enemy positions. Whether it be through the Battle Armour arriving at night and doing
a commando raid to remove the enemy command structure, or the 'mechs arriving before the dropships hit planet
to begin targeting the enemy units in the field. This unit would drill extensively in orbital insertions, as that would be a key part of their tactical doctrine. Aerospace units would have a key role in targeting fixed defensive emplacements, and enemy airstrips as 'mechs engage their mainline forces, and battle armor target command assets.
Ah, ok, I see. So now to what interests me the most:
What name, colours and insignia would you give them?
Just remember the original idea was a brigade-sized formation, i.e. at least three complete RCTs. Having them all equipped with mostly jumpy mechs might be a bit of an overspecialization. You need heavy hitters to break any resistance and do it quickly, that is asking for a Lyran style wall of steel.
So I would indeed like to have an RCT primed for combat drops, but also a heavy RCT to follow up and break the enemy, and then mop-up RCT.
Nice
He also said for 3147...Steiner would be lucky to put together the regiment I listed above with how hard
hit they are.
Zouave is a unit type/name that is criminally under-represented in the BTU.
The Lyrans don't like jumpjets anyway, it seems. Whenever I think of classic Steiner mechs, they don't have them - not even the lights (Commando, Wolfhound).The Nightsky can be nasty with its jumping and hatchet.
Come to think of it, why did the Falconer fall out of favor with the LCAF/LAAF anyway? It may be something requested by Hanse Davion, but it's still an excellent design for going up against the Jade Falcons, what with being able to match the mobility of the Jade Falcons' signature heavy (Summoner, 5/8/5) and carrying a headcapper and ER PPC.
Yea, the 9-R is really nice. I'd hate to see dumb upgrades to it like an xxl engine or something like that. Maybe some x-pulses or something nice.
The Falconer is really the antithesis of Apollo's Law: there really isn't anything you can do to actually improve it without going to Clantech.
And that's about all you can possibly do without Clantech.
Well, there's Reflective Armor. That would help in its intended role of Clan fighter.
You know, that meme has really passed its expiration date.
The Falconer's out of production c3079, as per Objectives: LA. I can only imagine that TharHes decided to focus on the Barghest and other entirely home-grown designs in the aftermath. It could also be that the Falconer's lines were a complete write-off with no salvageable equipment, something that's understandable given all that happened to Tharkad during the Jihad.
I mean that the meme has been run into the ground to the point where there's absolutely no more humor to be wrung out of it. It has nothing to do with the state of the Lyrans' industrial capacity.
You know, that meme has really passed its expiration date.
Best when you can combine two or more aspects of stereotypical behavior, like the Blitzkrieg.
So what sorts of jump-capable assaults does the Commonwealth field, anyway? I can't really think of any iconic Lyran assaults that can jump. Or lights, really.
On a random subject-anyone know what LCAF/LAAF would prefer as artillery? I would say "Long Tom" or "Cruise Missile" because of the bigger is better philosophy, but I'm curious as to what they really use the most.Arrow IV
The Gultoppr and Rommel (Howitzer) both mount Long Tom Cannons, the cut down, short range version of the gun. They're not artillery pieces.I know. I simply went with "it has a big gun, it's artillery."
Honestly, I have always had a special place in my heart regarding how much I hate the Zeus X series. The mixture of composite structure and XXL engines on something is just too... Squishy, to be a real Lyran machine. Everything else about them I can forgive, but that is not one of them.Fortunately, the Lyrans have about 3-4 good Zeus variants, so they don't have to use sucking Zeus X series.
I like the StacyNot bad. Such 'Mech makes sense, both for Stacy and for the Lyrans in general.
Trutzburg.
I keep forgetting that is a Lyran 'mech, funny enough.
Lyrans are not really "Germany IN SPACE!", but I can see where it can be construed as odd that I wouldn't see the Blitzkrieg as a Lyran 'mech.
Anyhow, I always assumed it was a Davion 'mech. Not sure why.
Yeah, only has the probably most German (Lyran?) sounding name of all Lyran Mechs. :))
I'd rather not take anything from Wagner. I'll take it straight from the original Edda.And the Lyrans came through and cleaned up all the canine and Scandinavian names. Swings and roundabouts.
Unfortunately for us a lot of good Germanic names were given to clan mechs. I'd love to have some mechs that we made named after the gods... Oh well. We could name some after heros though.
Imagine a 75tonner with a sword, tsm, a hvy gauss and some close in guns called Sigurd.
A medium with with masc and supercharger, heavy ppc, stealth and a lance ( spear ) called Brynhild.
I'd rather not take anything from Wagner. I'll take it straight from the original Edda.
Unfortunately for us a lot of good Germanic names were given to clan mechs. I'd love to have some mechs that we made named after the gods... Oh well. We could name some after heros though.
Well, there's probably some reasoning behind the confusion. The original pilot of the Wolfhound was Danial Allard, who, while being a member of the Kell Hounds, graduated from a Davion military academy. And I'm not positive, since I think it might only be mentioned in the novels, but I want to say the design was influenced by Dr.Banzai, but again, I'm not positive.
Yea in the good old German tradition we should conquer and teach them! ;D
Short question:
Did the LCAF have some King Crabs during the 4th SW? I know there was the downgraded KGC-0000, but was it still in service with the LCAF?
It is a little clichéd, but double AC/20 just feel right for Steiner.
Or is it purely random where they survived?Random.
Corsara Weapons was destroyed early in the First SW. Any KGC-0000s wree actually surviving 000s that had been downgraded due to a lack of replacement parts.
Random.
The King Crab was produced on Northwind.
The orignal Star League era production of the King Crab was Corsara on Northwind. The TRO3039 and TRO3050U entries on the 'Mech state that it was not in production during the Succession Wars and it definitely wasn't produced by GM.
Take any info on Sarna with a grain of salt, especially when it's quoting older sources
Thinking about Lyran King Crabs... what exactly did Linda McDonald pilot in the FCCW? The only KGC available to the LAAF were, according to the MUL, 0000 and 001. Unless she had a museum piece, it must have been the 001. Or am I overlooking something?
Furthermore I think the 007 is pretty cool. I like it more than the 009.
Interesting! Where is this mentioned?
The best use of the MUL is for forming Military Units of any given faction. For individual Mechwarriors of renown all bets are off.
Regarding notable MechWarriors...
... Sarna says Frederick Steiner piloted an Atlas during his last assault on Dromini VI, but there is no reference. I know the old Handbook said he had a Zeus, which I think would be a better choice for him, but this information is from before the Dromini assault. Where can I find something on his last Mech he used in combat (as Frederick Steiner, at least)?
No, the Banshee would be fore people who actually knew how to pilot a mech.
Good question... I would appreciate more info on the back and forth on the Falcon-Commonwealth border in general. Was it a 3rd SW-style low intensity conflict? Were there major offensives? What about a war in the shadows between the Falcon Watch and LIC & MID? (The LIC should be vastly superior...)
Retaking it and taking Arcturus were said to have doubled the industrial output of the Falcons. That should give you an idea of the sad state of things pre Desant.
I am of the opinion that since we were one big happy family :P that things were shipped everywhere. The Kallon plant was a monster, considering everything that came out of there, so it's possible that's where they came from.
The way I look at most variants (which, admittedly, is not very tidy in terms of canon) is that, unless a variant is using some sort of proprietary technology (most of which don't stay very proprietary for long anyway, but for the sake of argument Stealth Armor, Heavy Gauss, RACs, etc), most of the Houses likely field/produce small numbers of the variants with the serial numbers filed off, and with locally produced equivalent components (or whatever).
"Hey Lyran, nice 5D you've got there!"
"That isn't a 5D, it's a 5Spr71q, a superior Lyran machine!"
Which part is superior? The thinner armor or the Gauss Rifle with one ton of ammo?
The MAD-5S combines an XL engine, a Gauss Rifle and dubious side torso armour. LYran engineering at its best!
The MAD-5S combines an XL engine, a Gauss Rifle and dubious side torso armour. LYran engineering at its best!
Being a fire support Mech it's not going to see much slose in combat. Being that it won't see much close in combat it's less likely to be hit.
The XL engine is a good trade off for the damage it puts out. We're actually wealthy enough and have the production capacity to be able to repair or replace XL engines if needed.
That way we can get more falcon salvage.
I win plenty. But not by assuming that my opponent is going to do what I want them to.
Except it's primary intended opponents are Clan 'Mechs armed with longer-ranged, harder hitting weapons and typically piloted by superior MechWarriors. And added to that, it doesn't have enough ammo to keep sniping for that long, and it's secondary weapons don't really help either
The 5D and 5S have two totally different rolls.
The D is a mid range brawler. Higher armor, pluses etc. Oh wait! It has one of those fragile IS XL engines too. I don't hear complaining with the D and an XL...
The S has less armor but puts out more sustained firepower at range. It puts out more damage than the D, even up to mid range and closer. In close, within 3 hexes the S still puts out more damage, plus in an alpha it runs cooler.
Put these two mechs together in a company and they totally compliment eachother. I think that's how the authors designed them to work. One long range and one mid.
Just my opinion.
5S came out in 51 I believe. I could be WAY off though. That's what Sarna says.
What's the 5A and B?Marauder IIs, sorry
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