Clan Protectorate

[Scotty]

I misread you a little bit, but I do feel compelled to say that the RecGuides' introductions say that the Foxes can get anything in them, not that they have everything in them at all times.  Otherwise they'd have availability with every unit with a RG source and that's demonstrably not true.

[Empyrus]

Seems like a case of "If you can pay enough, we can get you anything in our catalog"

Makes me wonder if the Warhawk is the most expensive thing in RGs, since they're made far away and implicitly the Scorpions aren't really interested in selling.

[wantec]

Seems like a case of "If you can pay enough, we can get you anything in our catalog"

Makes me wonder if the Warhawk is the most expensive thing in RGs, since they're made far away and implicitly the Scorpions aren't really interested in selling.

Although there should be old Warhawks floating around the IS as another avenue for acquisitions. I would say some of the newer 'Mechs might be harder to get, whether it's the Alpha Wolf, or the new Scorpion Omnis, etc.

[Colt Ward]

C'mon, everyone knows the easiest way to get a Warhawk or one of those new Scorpion Omnis . . .

Fox merchant- "Look what I have here Scorpion warrior, a Star League era Marauder- you know it by the serial number!- that I am willing to trade for your mech.  Now you too can be part of history and use this artifact just as the ancient and glorious Star League."

Scorpion warrior- "Is it really a Star League Marauder?  Looks a bit different than our databanks say, quiaff?"

Fox merchant- "I understand what you are asking Mechwarrior, but this Star League Marauder fought with Alexander Kerensky, through all four Succession Wars, and even saw action among the Draconis Combine when the Smoke Jaguars invaded.  During that time, it's abilities declined until the coming of the Clans when it's combat power was brought back towards Star League standards.  Think of the history it has seen, which you will now become a part of- all I need in exchange is your Warhawk."

[Geg]

C'mon, everyone knows the easiest way to get a Warhawk or one of those new Scorpion Omnis . . .

Fox merchant- "Look what I have here Scorpion warrior, a Star League era Marauder- you know it by the serial number!- that I am willing to trade for your mech.  Now you too can be part of history and use this artifact just as the ancient and glorious Star League."

Scorpion warrior- "Is it really a Star League Marauder?  Looks a bit different than our databanks say, quiaff?"

Fox merchant- "I understand what you are asking Mechwarrior, but this Star League Marauder fought with Alexander Kerensky, through all four Succession Wars, and even saw action among the Draconis Combine when the Smoke Jaguars invaded.  During that time, it's abilities declined until the coming of the Clans when it's combat power was brought back towards Star League standards.  Think of the history it has seen, which you will now become a part of- all I need in exchange is your Warhawk."

Reminds me of that first Grasshopper from the Legacy collection.

[nckestrel]

C'mon, everyone knows the easiest way to get a Warhawk or one of those new Scorpion Omnis . . .

At least the merchant wasn't brazen enough to claim it was Kerensky's own Orion Marauder..

[Colt Ward]

At least the merchant wasn't brazen enough to claim it was Kerensky's own Orion Marauder..

Last one that tried that was challenged to a Circle of Equals for their dezgra behavior . . . they and their holdings were liquidated.

[Dragon Cat]

I saw a picture of maps on Facebook the Clan Protectorate was bigger in the second map and shaded differetly to the FWL (shade was a mix of wolf colour and marik colour stripes)

[BrianDavion]

I saw a picture of maps on Facebook the Clan Protectorate was bigger in the second map and shaded differetly to the FWL (shade was a mix of wolf colour and marik colour stripes)

and thus did Marik learn the dark age lesson of "NEVER TRUST A CLANNER"

[Rncavenger]

and thus did Marik learn the dark age lesson of "NEVER TRUST A CLANNER"

As far as can be judged from the last book, the Clan Protectorate  did not betray the FWL. The Silver Hawk raids were not sanctioned by the league parliament

[Sartris]

and thus did Marik learn the dark age lesson of "NEVER TRUST A CLANNER"

ironic, since the conventional wisdom of the FWL is to never trust anyone, even yourself.

[Metallgewitter]

As far as can be judged from the last book, the Clan Protectorate  did not betray the FWL. The Silver Hawk raids were not sanctioned by the league parliament

Funny part is the Sea Foxes interdicted Regulan space after Sherryl's husband died / was murdered without sanctions from the FWL goverment. No one cared enough to censure the Protectorate as it was beneficial. Maybe a bad precedent

[Jellico]

and thus did Marik learn the dark age lesson of "NEVER TRUST A CLANNER"

I would have said don't stand too close to a Nova Cat. If you see a black one, throw a pinch of salt over you shoulder.

[Rncavenger]

Protectorate divided :D
P.S. After Tamar  Rising I was hoping that "Empire Alone" would tell us at least something about the internal life of the Clan Protectorate. But not a word about it...  :'(

[Kitsune413]

After Tamar  Rising I was hoping that "Empire Alone" would tell us at least something about the internal life of the Clan Protectorate. But not a word about it...  :'(

There is a bit about being torn over loyalties to the FWL or the Ilclan. Not quite a description of what is going on. But, they did get a bit of spotlight.

[Kitsune413]

We've got a RAT boys! It's not just two lines in the middle of the FWL table anymore.

[Rncavenger]

We've got a RAT boys! It's not just two lines in the middle of the FWL table anymore.

Yes, and quite good. The only thing that upsets is the absence of a Nova Cat mech in it. The presence of a Sphinx pleases.

[Rncavenger]

What do you think will happen next?
Rikkard Nova Cat and Spirit Cats want to be on the side of the FWL. Sea Foxes, Julietta and Nova Cat provisionals want to be on the side of the IlClan. I hope we won't see a civil war here

[Metallgewitter]

What do you think will happen next?
Rikkard Nova Cat and Spirit Cats want to be on the side of the FWL. Sea Foxes, Julietta and Nova Cat provisionals want to be on the side of the IlClan. I hope we won't see a civil war here

We are in League space. What do YOU think will happen?

and it seems fragmenting is the general order of the day after the Ilclan trial. Much easier to defeat your neighbours when they are broken into pieces beforehand  ::)

[Geg]

What do you think will happen next?
Rikkard Nova Cat and Spirit Cats want to be on the side of the FWL. Sea Foxes, Julietta and Nova Cat provisionals want to be on the side of the IlClan. I hope we won't see a civil war here

My guess is that Rikkard will need to put Julletta down like he did Janis....   After all Juilletta learned that she doesn't have what it takes to learn a star nation.

[jimdigris]

What do you think will happen next?
Rikkard Nova Cat and Spirit Cats want to be on the side of the FWL. Sea Foxes, Julietta and Nova Cat provisionals want to be on the side of the IlClan. I hope we won't see a civil war here

I think that the Protectorate will continue to play both sides of the issue.  The Nova Cats were in this position before and made the mistake of choosing only one side.  The Council realizes just how dangerous the situation is, so they are trying to mollify both sides.

[Istal_Devalis]

Getting a bit tired of the Cats always picking the losing side here, to be honest. Let them get one clear win for once. Frankly, I'd have thought the Nova Cats proper would have learned their lesson about choosing sides at all, it always bites them later. But it's not like the Clans have tended to be good at long term thinking.

[Ruger]

Getting a bit tired of the Cats always picking the losing side here, to be honest. Let them get one clear win for once. Frankly, I'd have thought the Nova Cats proper would have learned their lesson about choosing sides at all, it always bites them later. But it's not like the Clans have tended to be good at long term thinking.

“All of this has happened before. It will happen again.”

Seems to be a mantra of nuBSG Cylons, as well as many factions within BTech.

Ruger

[Dr. Banzai]

Getting a bit tired of the Cats always picking the losing side here, to be honest. Let them get one clear win for once. Frankly, I'd have thought the Nova Cats proper would have learned their lesson about choosing sides at all, it always bites them later. But it's not like the Clans have tended to be good at long term thinking.

Personally, I don't think The FWL is the losing side here. Yes, the Sea Foxes are going to stay a power to be reckoned with, but they are going to lose a bit of their bite in order to be the suppliers for the rest of the factions. And I still think the Wolves bit off way more than they can chew by going for a victory that is both pyrrhic and mostly symbolic. He might be able to hold Terra for a few years, but ultimately he's going to wind up like Stone and the WoB before him.

Focht had it in the right, Terra is a symbol without any real power.

[Angrii]

I don't think the FWL is the losing side either, but the Nova Cat Provisionals have already declared for the ilClan and gone rogue so...

[Geg]

I think that the Protectorate will continue to play both sides of the issue.  The Nova Cats were in this position before and made the mistake of choosing only one side.  The Council realizes just how dangerous the situation is, so they are trying to mollify both sides.

Kisho is going to undoubtably show up again making our current two way issue into a three way.

[Dragon Cat]

Kisho is going to undoubtably show up again making our current two way issue into a three way.

Interestingly neither Kisho or Rikkard hold a Bloodname so neither will have that going for them

Rikkard holds rank but Kisho apparently has the Nova Cat Genetic Repository so...

Rikkard new Khan, Kisho the no Oathmaster, Kisho overseeing Rikkard's Trial of Bloodright?

[Jellico]

Are the Nova Cat elements being presumptuous about the ilClan anyway? They were abjured after all. Alaric has mixed feelings about that stuff.
OTOH the Sea Foxes can claim rogue Khanate and play both sides. Especially as the should have good intel of the strength of both sides.

Pulling a Northwind and sitting it out for a year may be the best option.

[Natasha Kerensky]

Kisho is going to undoubtably show up again making our current two way issue into a three way.

Or leadership of the Clan Protectorate gets so divided that it presents an opportunity for Kisho (or someone) to conquer.

[Colt Ward]

We also do not know Kishio shows up in the Protectorate . . . he might end up going right to Terra.