Clan Protectorate

[tbrminsanity]

an interesting line of thought popped up in the design thread, decided to cross post to where it would could be discussed without derailing the thread..
and my response:

that just means there will be a shortage of trueborns. i'm pretty sure they'll rely more heavily on the 'freeborns' recruited from within the protectorate.. personally i think it would be fun if they end up becoming more of a brotherhood of warriors type organization and not a self contained clan.. 'adopting' into itself elite/capable troops from all over the protectorate/NuFWL, inducting them into the Spirit Cat traditions. perhaps even adopt the idea of 'honornames' from the old Wolfs Dragoons, with the names of their original spirit cat members (and perhaps a fair number of Nova Cats) being bestowed similar to bloodnames, but with the recipients not having to actually have blood relations to the original.

sort of a mix of the old knight orders (like the templars and hospitaliers) and what the dragoons became. this would also give the new FWL something akin to the old FWL's knights of the sphere.. one of the few ideas of the false-marik that is worth saving.

I've opened a Design Challenge thread under the Fan Design section of the forms.  I think I'll end up making two designs, one for the Trueborn commanders, and one for Freeborn warriors.  I see (similar to WiE) CSC adding bloodnames to the eugenics program for Freeborns that prove that they are worthy of immortality.  This will give Freeborns the opportunity to become "gods" while furthering the eugenics program.  This will make the HW Clans and die hard clans (CJF) furious, but who cares at this point.

[Colt Ward]

Make it a hybrid . . .

For the Nova Cat bloodnames among the Spirit Cats that are extinct- and there has to be some- they now become Honornames (Or ProtectorNames?).  When originally set up, any freeborn could qualify based on their deeds and service to the Clan- lets say Joe Schmuck managed to singlehandedly knock out a Crusader Wolf star colonel in a recent Trial, gaining the Loremaster's (do they even have this position? or any of the traditional ones? or perhaps it would be Oathmaster, which seems to be Julietta . . . ) notice who will be charged for starting the initial rounds of Honorname Trials.  Joe competes against 7 other freeborns in the abbreviated Trial for the Carns Honorname.  Joe wins the whole Trial, becomes Joe Schmuck Carns though to the trueborns he is just Joe Carns.  For the Carns Honor/ProtectorName, Joe's genes are taken into their breeding program.  Scientists will be able to breed sibkos of his genes and any other Carns H/PNamed warrior or bargain for crossing outside the H/PHouse.

It offers a lot of potential to include the population of Marik in particular and even the other worlds of the Protectorate.  And is a unique twist for the Spirit Cats.

One other question is . . . how much would Fox & Cat genes mix?

Also, I am not sure the Cats would need a version of the Tiburon- they have the Havoc after all, just upgrade it.

[False Son]

Hmmm, combined with the persistant Kerensky Savior complex surviving in the FWL, despite the clan invasion, I could see this going down the road to a Dune style Jihad.  That'd be fun, right?  The Nova Cats put down one jihad to start another.

[Klat]

Hmmm, combined with the persistant Kerensky Savior complex surviving in the FWL, despite the clan invasion, I could see this going down the road to a Dune style Jihad.  That'd be fun, right?  The Nova Cats put down one jihad to start another.

I love this idea!

Paul Nova Cat can lead it.

[Istal_Devalis]

EH, I'd be hesitant postulating anything about freeborns and trueborns until we see more about how the actual Protectorate is run.

[Pa Weasley]

Psh, you want actual information to base your idle speculation on? What fun is that?  ^-^

[Captain of C-21]

The Spirit Cats would certainly welcome in freeborns to help defend their territory, but I can't see them not wanting to start back up a Trueborn breeding program.  With the Sea Foxes present, it's really only a matter of time before they purchase the necessary equipment for their scientist caste to get it running, if they haven't already.

[Kitsune413]

Right after they took over Marik they set up shop. Julietta was surprised. They had lower castemen everywhere. So I am certain they've set up a trueborn breeding program.

[Klat]

It would amuse me to no end if all the big Clans smashed themselves squabbling over Terra only for the Spirit Cats to emerge as the only one with a real Touman. It's always the quiet kids in the back of the class you have to look out for...

[Archangel]

Right after they took over Marik they set up shop. Julietta was surprised. They had lower castemen everywhere. So I am certain they've set up a trueborn breeding program.

Well at least started to.  Establishing a new eugenics program basically from scratch is going to take a lot of time, resources and expertise.

The scientist caste comprises only a small portion of the lower castes and the Spirit Cats had little use for them, especially for those who specialized in eugenics, while they were fighting in the Republic.  After all they believed that even if the Nova Cat eugenics facilities in the Republic were lost, the main portion of the eugenics program was safe back home with the Nova Cats (until it wasn't).  The Sea Foxes might be willing and able to provide machinery but the Spina Khanate only has a limited number of eugenics specialists who are overseeing their own eugenics program and are likely only be able to lend a handful of scientists for a limited amount of time.  They are going to be busy simply laying down the groundwork (gathering samples, organizing the eugenics database, etc).  However, there might be a handful of eugenics scientists among the Nova Cat refugees who can take over and get the eugenics program off the ground.  Of course there is likely to be some issues between the Nova Cats and the Spirit Cats that cause problems with the program (a Nova Cat not wanting his/her genes combined with those of a Spirit Cat, etc) but it is unlikely to be something that can't be worked out.

[GhostCat]

  Of course there is likely to be some issues between the Nova Cats and the Spirit Cats that cause problems with the program (a Nova Cat not wanting his/her genes combined with those of a Spirit Cat, etc) but it is unlikely to be something that can't be worked out.

I see what you mean, this indeed would be problematic if our Clan Warriors were named Spirit Cat instead of Nova Cat.

Can you imagine the fun we'd be having with a Trueborn Warrior known as Kisho Spirit Cat?  None of the Clan Warriors carry Spirit Cat as part of their name.  We don't name them after the Cluster or Galaxy they get posted to. 

As for genetic code for the eugenics program, fresh samples from not dead yet warriors can be kept safe.  There may also be temporary repositories in Republic Enclaves that have not been damaged by the Combine. 

GC

[wolfgar]

What if someone slipped into Irece just before the combine came for it and slipped out with all the sibkos, the scientists,  and the entire Genetic Repository?

[WONC]

It would amuse me to no end if all the big Clans smashed themselves squabbling over Terra only for the Spirit Cats to emerge as the only one with a real Touman. It's always the quiet kids in the back of the class you have to look out for...

To be honest, a lot of Nova Cat fans around the boards were holding their breath for something like that. It... didn't go anywhere like we hoped, obviously.

[Captain of C-21]

@WONC

Technically that's what happened after the Jihad.  Had all the Nova Cats and their warships stayed in Irece CNC would've been possibly THE most powerful Clan Touman following the Jihad, with 6+ galaxies.  But they had to split between the ROTS and DC.  Stupid Devlin Stone refusing to let the whole Touman join his Rebublic. :/

A few t hings to keep in mind about any possible Eugenics programs in the Clan Protectorate.
- All Spirit Cats still go by the "Nova Cat" surname when not blooded.
- Nova Cat enclaves in Republic space would've had their own genetic repositories and breeding programs, separate from the CNC in DC space program.
- It can be assumed that Nova Cats fleeing Republic Space could have taken those Genetics with them when they hit the Clan Protectorate.

[Jaim Magnus]

@WONC

Technically that's what happened after the Jihad.  Had all the Nova Cats and their warships stayed in Irece CNC would've been possibly THE most powerful Clan Touman following the Jihad, with 6+ galaxies.  But they had to split between the ROTS and DC.  Stupid Devlin Stone refusing to let the whole Touman join his Rebublic. :/

A few t hings to keep in mind about any possible Eugenics programs in the Clan Protectorate.
- All Spirit Cats still go by the "Nova Cat" surname when not blooded.
- Nova Cat enclaves in Republic space would've had their own genetic repositories and breeding programs, separate from the CNC in DC space program.
- It can be assumed that Nova Cats fleeing Republic Space could have taken those Genetics with them when they hit the Clan Protectorate.

I don't believe that every enclave would have had their own breeding programs etc, but enough of them might have to cobble something together on Marik.

[Klat]

To be honest, a lot of Nova Cat fans around the boards were holding their breath for something like that. It... didn't go anywhere like we hoped, obviously.

Here's to second chances... With that I've probably doomed us all.  :-\

[WONC]

Here's to second chances... With that I've probably doomed us all.  :-\

Don't get too glum about it. I'm not a fan of the Spirit Cats, so your odds of survival immediately triple what they would be if I were interested in them.

[roosterboy]

What if someone slipped into Irece just before the combine came for it and slipped out with all the sibkos, the scientists,  and the entire Genetic Repository?

Or what if there was someone already on Irece who managed to slip out before the end?

[wolfgar]

Whistles innocently. ....

HE might have been spirited away also. Depends on some things being allowed.

[Archangel]

What if someone slipped into Irece just before the combine came for it and slipped out with all the sibkos, the scientists,  and the entire Genetic Repository?

My group did run a campaign based on that idea.  In their care went the future of Clan Nova Cat (including a full copy of the Clan's genetic repository as well as technical specs) as well as Emi Kurita's son (they pulled a Franklin Sakamoto switch).  They made it, barely, sacrificing most of a Galaxy in the process.

[wolfgar]

how much did of what did you bring in and how many dropships did you bring for transport?

[Kitsune413]

Rikkard was out "trying to find a safe haven" for the spirit cats.

Rikkard believed that something terrible would happen to the nova cats.
Kev Ross also figured they were all going to die and was a spiritual guide to Rikkard.

You have to remember that the Spirit Cats were not being randomly aggressive, nor were they surprised that the nova cats got massacred.

When your whole game is to find a safe haven for the future of your clan you do not forget to bring the dudes who make that future possible.

[Istal_Devalis]

Or what if there was someone already on Irece who managed to slip out before the end?

It's been what, two years? If he was going to pop up, he'd have popped up by now.

[Captain of C-21]

It's been what, two years? If he was going to pop up, he'd have popped up by now.

The storyline really hasn't been advanced since ER3145/FM3145.  Need to wait for the next sourcebook to get updated info on the Clan Protectorate and its possible future members.

[WONC]

It's been what, two years? If he was going to pop up, he'd have popped up by now.

Unless somehow they misjumped and ended up in the Homeworlds, where their need to take revenge will push the Cloud Adders to allow them to rebuild and be the vanguard of the assault that burns the Inner Sphere to so much ash.

...A man can dream.

[Istal_Devalis]

The storyline really hasn't been advanced since ER3145/FM3145.  Need to wait for the next sourcebook to get updated info on the Clan Protectorate and its possible future members.

I meant In universe. The Fall of Irece was in 3143. The book we got those detail in was dated about two years after that, with the statement he hasn't shown up since.

[Klat]

Unless somehow they misjumped and ended up in the Homeworlds, where their need to take revenge will push the Cloud Adders to allow them to rebuild and be the vanguard of the assault that burns the Inner Sphere to so much ash.

...A man can dream.

I wonder whatever happened to the Rossei cloister... I really could see that going either way.

[roosterboy]

I meant In universe. The Fall of Irece was in 3143. The book we got those detail in was dated about two years after that, with the statement he hasn't shown up since.

The Knights of St Cameron vanished for, IIRC, about three years of in-universe time.

Andrew Redburn was missing for almost ten years before he resurfaced.

There are probably other examples that I am not recalling off the top of my head.

My point: Two years is nothing.

[Archangel]

I see what you mean, this indeed would be problematic if our Clan Warriors were named Spirit Cat instead of Nova Cat.

Can you imagine the fun we'd be having with a Trueborn Warrior known as Kisho Spirit Cat?  None of the Clan Warriors carry Spirit Cat as part of their name.  We don't name them after the Cluster or Galaxy they get posted to. 

As for genetic code for the eugenics program, fresh samples from not dead yet warriors can be kept safe.  There may also be temporary repositories in Republic Enclaves that have not been damaged by the Combine. 

GC

"I am Hohiro (Kurita) Spirit Cat a direct descendant of Vincent Kurita and rightful heir to the Dragon throne!"

[Klat]

"I am Hohiro (Kurita) Spirit Cat a direct descendant of Vincent Kurita and rightful heir to the Dragon throne!"

I can hear the heads of the Black Dragons exploding now...