Iconic 3050-era mechs by House

[ActionButler]

Similar to MoneyLovinOgre4Hire's thread at the bottom of the page, if you had to pick the four most iconic mechs for each Successor State (in the vein of Jenner, Panther, Dragon, ???? for the DCMS) at the start of the Clan Invasion, what would you choose?  Answers do not need to cover one mech for each weight class.

[Col.Hengist]

Steiner

Wolfhound, Griffin, axman,zeus

[The Eagle]

House Marik

WVR-6M/6R Wolverine
TBT-5N/5J/5S Trebuchet
ON-1K Orion
AWS-8Q/8T/8R Awesome

[Lysenko]

Capellan Confederation: Raven, Vindicator, Cataphract, Highlander

[mike19k]

Davion
VLK-QD Valkyrie
ENF-5D Enforcer or DV-7D Dervish
JM6-DD or (3054) JM6-DG JagerMech
VTR-9D Victor

[mike19k]

Capellan Confederation: Raven, Vindicator, Cataphract, Highlander

Not saying you are wrong, just looking for more information. Was the Highlander even made in the CC during 3050's? It does talk about them using it. But the only two planets that were making it but from 3030's to mid 3050's both were part of the FC. Also they were making less than a dozen units per year. Again I may be wrong as not up on all the CC fluff (big surprise) but I always put it with Comstar in 3050's. Some of this may also be the fact that when thinking of 3050 I always go back to the first TRO 3050 before the retcons that added some of the TRO 2750 units back in.

[The Eagle]

Yeah, if I were going 5o put an assault Mech on the CCAF list, it'd be a Victor.  HildCo made them for the CapCon until St. Ives left.

[ActionButler]

I'm also a little curious about the Highlander choice.  Since I'm not worried about weight classes, for Liao I was thinking something along the lines of Raven, Vindicator, Cataphract, Catapult. 

[glitterboy2098]

I'm also a little curious about the Highlander choice.  Since I'm not worried about weight classes, for Liao I was thinking something along the lines of Raven, Vindicator, Cataphract, Catapult. 

those four are a lot more 'capellan' to me as well.

[Hellraiser]

Iconic Mechs for each Faction in TRO3050.....  easy....

Davion:  Valkyrie, Enforcer, Centurion, Jagermech      (Its a crappy selection, our D-Variants of General mechs are much better)

Kurita:  Jenner,  Panther,  Grand Dragon,  Hatamoto

Liao:  Raven,  Vindicator,  Catapult,  Cataphract

Marik:  Hermes-II,  Trebuchet,  Orion,  Awesome

Steiner:  Commando,  Wolfhound,  Zeus,  Banshee    (Maybe swap out Wolfhound or Banshee for Hatchetman instead)



I can't ever pick the Unseen as "Iconic" to any one house, they are way to mass produced for that.

[Col.Hengist]

Zeus is an assault

[Hellraiser]

Zeus is an assault

Correct.   
OP said it didn't have to be 1 from each category.

[Avitue]

You all forgot the mighty URBANMECH for CCAF :D

[ActionButler]

I can't ever pick the Unseen as "Iconic" to any one house, they are way to mass produced for that.

I completely agree about the Unseen, which is a big part of why I asked because giving the Valkyrie to the Davions seems like a cop-out but I also can't imagine not associating it with them.

[The Eagle]

I completely agree about the Unseen, which is a big part of why I asked because giving the Valkyrie to the Davions seems like a cop-out but I also can't imagine not associating it with them.

Not all of the Unseen are equally dispersed or favored by the House armies, though.  The Valkyire is a very rare bird in the FWLM, for example, while the WVR-6M Wolverine is probably the single most common 'Mech in the FWLM.  You want flagship units?  Well, these meet that criteria.

[ActionButler]

Not all of the Unseen are equally dispersed or favored by the House armies, though.  The Valkyire is a very rare bird in the FWLM, for example, while the WVR-6M Wolverine is probably the single most common 'Mech in the FWLM.  You want flagship units?  Well, these meet that criteria.

Very true.

[Col.Hengist]

Correct.   
OP said it didn't have to be 1 from each category.

Oh gosh...your right. I assumed incorrectly. I'll now revise my favorites.

Steiner

Wolfhound
Griffin
Zeus
banshee

[Hellraiser]

while the WVR-6M Wolverine is probably the single most common 'Mech in the FWLM.

How do you figure that?  Do you have any statistics or fluff quotes?

I have close to a dozen RATs for the FWL available & only 1 of them has the Wolvie-6M in the '7' slot.
All the rest have it in lower position or even missing from the RAT altogether.

I don't have my House Marik SB production figures with me right now, but I'm pretty sure the Wolvie was not their most produced mech by far.
IIRC the Locust is their highest produced & the Treb & Hermes both beat it out in the Medium's category.

The 6M might be a nice variant but its far from the most common mech & the Wolvie is produced by 3 other houses at various times.

[The Eagle]

House Marik: The Free Worlds League, pg 114:

"Twenty-four different 'Mech types are currently manufactured in the League, with the most common being Stingers, Wasps, Orions, Griffins, Hermes IIs, Locusts, Wolverines, and Warhammers.

Same source, pg 115, table listing 'Mech production by chassis.  The Wolverine was produced at two different locations with a total production of 36 per year in 3025.  Only Wasps and Stingers have higher production numbers.

Same source, pp 88-104, regimental briefs.  There are 55 FWLM regiments (not counting mercenaries) listed, and a total of 22 have given 'Mech weight of "Medium," and 15 are "Light" with 16 "Heavy" and two "Assault."  Assuming that there's a 3:1 ratio of X:Medium 'Mechs (where X is either Light or Heavy in their respective regimental types) in a lance, then you've got about 50% medium-weight 'Mechs in the FWLM.  This isn't conclusive for the WVR, I know.  I'm just establishing the FWLM as predominantly medium-weight.

And finally, the coup de grace, from TRO:3039, pg 290:

"A common sight on the battlefields of the Succession Wars, the majority of Wolverines reside in the FWLM. . ."

And

"The WVR-6M became the mainstay of House Marik's medium BattleMech forces during the Succession Wars."

And just for kicks, from TRO:Project Phoenix, pg. 32:

". . . with critics noting that the FWL (a prolific Wolverine user) haven't instigated an upgrade program."

[mike19k]

House Marik: The Free Worlds League, pg 114:
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Same source, pp 88-104, regimental briefs.  There are 55 FWLM regiments (not counting mercenaries) listed, and a total of 22 have given 'Mech weight of "Medium," and 15 are "Light" with 16 "Heavy" and two "Assault."  Assuming that there's a 3:1 ratio of X:Medium 'Mechs (where X is either Light or Heavy in their respective regimental types) in a lance, then you've got about 50% medium-weight 'Mechs in the FWLM.  This isn't conclusive for the WVR, I know.  I'm just establishing the FWLM as predominantly medium-weight.
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Not saying you are wrong, but just because they are medium weight does not mean that it is made up of medium weight mechs. It could have a bunch of light with a couple of heavy or assaults giving it an overall medium weight. Having said that for the records I am not now nor have I ever been a fan (do not dislike either) the FWLM, and would say that when I think Wolverine I think Marik.

[Lysenko]

The Highlander might be made by the Confe in 3025ish, but it's the only faction that has access to all three variants available st the time (-733, -733C, -733P). And per TRO 3039:

Both the Capellan Confederation and the Lyran Commonwealth use the Highlander in small numbers, as the production lines only churned out aless than a dozen a year in either facility.

So, maybe not all that iconic, but it works for me. :)

[Hellraiser]

Not saying you are wrong, just looking for more information. Was the Highlander even made in the CC during 3050's? It does talk about them using it. But the only two planets that were making it but from 3030's to mid 3050's both were part of the FC. Also they were making less than a dozen units per year. Again I may be wrong as not up on all the CC fluff (big surprise) but I always put it with Comstar in 3050's. Some of this may also be the fact that when thinking of 3050 I always go back to the first TRO 3050 before the retcons that added some of the TRO 2750 units back in. 

The Highlander might be made by the Confe in 3025ish, but it's the only faction that has access to all three variants available st the time (-733, -733C, -733P). And per TRO 3039:

So, maybe not all that iconic, but it works for me. :) 

IIRC, there is fluff that the CapCon had a rebuild/refit facility in the 3SW so that they could save many of the "destroyed" Highlanders.
The Lyrans on the other hand brought back full production of the SL model in 3055, IIRC.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

I'd think that the Highlander would be more associated with Comstar during the 3050s than one of the Successor States.

[foxbat]

I'd think that the Highlander would be more associated with Comstar during the 3050s than one of the Successor States.

The Northwind Highlanders, being part of CCAF at the time, would beg to disagree  ;)

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

When during the 3050's were the Highlanders part of the CCAF?