Silly and unconvincing retconning

[Dmon]

Hew does TP: Galtor reconsile the two LAG origin stories? (I have had a quick look through the PDF and can't find said into)

[jklantern]

Quickscell.  O0

What, you've never assembled a Hetzer with an allen wrench and Swedish instructions?

If you're NOT assembling a Hetzer that way YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.

[Alexander Knight]

If you're NOT assembling a Hetzer that way YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.

Whatever way you're assembling a Hetzer, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!

No true Hetzer is ever correctly assembled.

[Lazarus Jaguar]

The one Oarai Academy had was...

[Kit deSummersville]

The Amphigean example is, in fact, a classic case of a retcon, the alteration of previously published information in a fictional work through later additions/subtractions/changes.  It is a later origin for the unit that overwrites the origin originally given in earlier source material. You cannot get more retconny than that.

Unless the retconner was George Lucas.

[SteelRaven]

Every time someone post 'recon' on this forum, all I can think is "oh no, not this again!"

  #P

I'm starting to believe Joss Whedon had the right idea,

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

The one Oarai Academy had was...

No it wasn't.

If it was, it wouldn't have begun life as a Pz 38(t), it'd have gone straight to hetzing.

[JadeHellbringer]

Whatever way you're assembling a Hetzer, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!

No true Hetzer is ever correctly assembled.

"Isn't the gun supposed to be on the front...? Eh, screw it, it'll die in the first 30 seconds of fighting either way."

[Alexander Knight]

And thus did Hellbie espouse the true meaning of the Hetzer.  ;)

[jklantern]

"Isn't the gun supposed to be on the front...? Eh, screw it, it'll die in the first 30 seconds of fighting either way."

The only flaw in their thinking is the idea that the Hetzer has a true front.  It doesn't.  It merely has a side that death comes from.  Which side that is, entirely up to the intrepid assembler!

[JadeHellbringer]

The only flaw in their thinking is the idea that the Hetzer has a true front.  It doesn't.  It merely has a side that death comes from.  Which side that is, entirely up to the intrepid assembler!

"HTZ-3R Rolling Death Cube"

[CitizenErased]

"HTZ-3R Rolling Death Cube"

I couldn't not do it.

[JadeHellbringer]

I couldn't not do it.

I can't figure out how to shove a bottle of good whiskey through the screen to you, but know that I tried.  O0

[jklantern]

I can't figure out how to shove a bottle of good whiskey through the screen to you, but know that I tried.  O0

My ex-girlfriend and I were working on this.  Sadly, we outsourced the research to Quickscell.

[RunandFindOut]

No it wasn't.

If it was, it wouldn't have begun life as a Pz 38(t), it'd have gone straight to hetzing.

Even Panzers gotta Hetz ;)  Stupid RNG for some reason my hetzer is a fire sponge and never bounces.

[JadeHellbringer]

My ex-girlfriend and I were working on this.  Sadly, we outsourced the research to Quickscell.

Alcohol, computers, and shoddily-made components.

"And from this union of ideas came Gateway Computers..."

[bobthecoward]

The LAG issues sounds like a continuity error and not a retcon.

I wish there were more retcons. I would like a retconned battle of Luthien and Tukayyid. Like Turning points: Mallory's World, I think if in the process of fully covering an event like that, having it reflect modern sensibilities can be a benefit.

[Adrian Gideon]

What do you mean by modern sensibilities?
I loved Mallory's World because it's old-school as hell  O0

[Peacemaker]

The LAG issues sounds like a continuity error and not a retcon.

I wish there were more retcons. I would like a retconned battle of Luthien and Tukayyid. Like Turning points: Mallory's World, I think if in the process of fully covering an event like that, having it reflect modern sensibilities can be a benefit.

In what way do you want the battles of Luthien and Tukayyid to reflect modern sensibilities?

[JadeHellbringer]

The one where they went back and replaced Hanse Davion's pet gerbil with a Daishi-driving midget was pretty strange at the time... still not sure how I feel about it all these years later.

Also, I used to drink a lot. Just thought I'd throw that in.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

That wasn't a gerbil.  It was a miniature giant golden space hamster.

[bobthecoward]

In what way do you want the battles of Luthien and Tukayyid to reflect modern sensibilities?

Luthien book listed a bunch of militia forces that are not really contextualized in their makeup. I think mech force estimates for the defenders would probably be lowered and the role of combined arms would be made explicit.

I feel the big tak-a-ways from the writing in Mallory's World was discussing the roles played by everyone (Legion of Vega, Benjamin Regulars, etc), combined arms (Benjamin armor makes an appearance at the siege), and just a clearer style.

[Avimimus]

A truly silly and unconvincing ret-conning would be the Amphigian Light Assault Group.  This was one of the top five dumbest things that FASA did.

Originally, the Amphigian Light Assault Group started off as 6 independent corporate security battlemech battalions of Amphigian Agricultural, Inc.  Amphigian Agricultural Inc. is basically the Kuritan equivalent of Wal-Mart.  The corporation would rent out the battalions to other corporations as corporate security.  In 2952, the Amphigian Agriculture, Inc. rented out the six battalions to the Draconis Combine.  After four years, Coordinator Hugai Kurita authorized the expansion of the six independent battalions to two full strength regiments (1st and 2nd) as well as providing battlemechs, aerospace fighters, artillery, and armor to create the 5th Amphigian Light Assault Group.

Unfortunately FASA ret-conned the Amphigian Light Assault Group into three battlemech regiments formed by Jinjiro Kurita at the beginning of the 2nd Succession War.  FASA never did explain how three regiments worth of 'mechwarriors sent on one way suicide missions attacking Davion and Lyrans after being abandoned by the dropships and jumpships that transported them survived to be formed into three battlemech regiments.

Couldn't help but to rationalise this... Couldn't both be true? I mean - expanding private security forces is on the verge of embarrassing. Abandoning troops is always a little traumatic. So, you give the tradition of the abandoned troops to the corporate infrastructure and use that command infrastructure to build a strong military unit with modern equipment. Both problems are solved symbolically. Nobody needs to be then wiser.

[Nahuris]

Alcohol, computers, and shoddily-made components.

"And from this union of ideas came Gateway Computers..."

Hey, I used to work for Gateway Computers...... never mind, you aren't far off......

Nahuris

[Archangel]

Personally I find the retconning surrounding the Niops Associations' origins.  Originally it was an isolated scientific outpost that missed the Amaris Coup that didn't become an independent state until after the Succession Wars began.  Now its supposed to have been a fledgling Periphery State before the fall of the Star League (per FM:SLDF)?

[Øystein]

Personally I find the retconning surrounding the Niops Associations' origins.  Originally it was an isolated scientific outpost that missed the Amaris Coup that didn't become an independent state until after the Succession Wars began.  Now its supposed to have been a fledgling Periphery State before the fall of the Star League (per FM:SLDF)?

Huh?

Niops is on the map because they were settled by then. This is nothing new. You'll note that there is no legend with the name "Niops Association" with it. This is because, as you correctly say, the NA didn't get founded until later. But the world were settled by the 2750s. And all settled worlds of Great House are shown on maps.

Øystein

[Maelwys]

I think he's talking about on page 120 of FM:SLDF under Logistics where it says "To cover other shortfalls, Van Coevorden has resorted to diplomacy with the Illyrian Palatinate and the fledgling Niops Association. In exchange for military aid, these minor Periphery states offer what little support they can."

Which seems to change the whole "Its an isolated outpost, that became a separate political entity after the Star League Civil War," that I recall from earlier fluff.

[Archangel]

I think he's talking about on page 120 of FM:SLDF under Logistics where it says "To cover other shortfalls, Van Coevorden has resorted to diplomacy with the Illyrian Palatinate and the fledgling Niops Association. In exchange for military aid, these minor Periphery states offer what little support they can."

Which seems to change the whole "Its an isolated outpost, that became a separate political entity after the Star League Civil War," that I recall from earlier fluff.

Bingo.  As a result suddenly an independent Periphery State has access to classified SLDF technical specs such as the Nighthawk Mk I and Mk II, technical specs that most of the SLDF (not to mention the Great Houses) didn't have access to.

[Maelwys]

Well, lets face it. Even with Niops being part of the Star League, its still rather silly for them to have the specs to the Nighthawks.

THAT was a pretty silly retcon/advancement IMO.

[Archangel]

Well, lets face it. Even with Niops being part of the Star League, its still rather silly for them to have the specs to the Nighthawks.

THAT was a pretty silly retcon/advancement IMO.

I was slightly surprised they stopped there and didn't give them the plans to compact drives (for WarShips) and Lithium fusion batteries as well.   O0