A Design Challenge - Revising TRO 3050 to the Helm Retcon

[Starfury]

I would love to see a sane 3050 Goliath...

[Daryk]

As requested...

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Goliath DHS/Endo

Mass: 80 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Quad
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-F-E-A
Production Year: 3025
Cost: 8,405,400 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,810

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 320 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor w/ CASE
Armament:
    1  ER PPC
    2  LRM-15s
    2  Machine Guns
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   130 points                4.00
    Internal Locations: 2 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 FLL, 2 FRL, 2 RLL, 2 RRL
Engine:             Fusion Engine                320                      22.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             13(26)                    3.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 1 RT
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: H+UL+LL+F    R: H+UL+LL+F
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 263                 16.50
    CASE Locations: 1 LT                                                   0.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     25           38       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  12       
                                           L/R Torso     17           24       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  10       
                                       L/R Front Leg     17           34       
                                        L/R Rear Leg     17           34       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LRM-15                                       RT        5         3         7.00
ER PPC                                       RT        15        3         7.00
Machine Gun                                  RT        0         1         0.50
LRM-15                                       LT        5         3         7.00
Machine Gun                                  LT        0         1         0.50
@LRM-15 (32)                                 LT        -         4         4.00
@MG (1/2) (100)                              LT        -         1         0.50
                                            Free Critical Slots: 1

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      9    Points: 18
4          3       3       3       0      4     0   Structure:  6
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, LRM 1/2/2, IF 2

[Greatclub]

One thing to consider is the differance between 'upgrade kit' models and factory-built models. If you XL and engine and endo the bones, it's near a 'grandfather's axe'.
With some mechs, it might make sense to have two models in a state, the ones upgraded from older mechs, and the new-built ones that use XL & endo

Case in point, the Phoenix Hawk. Doesn't need more than DHS and to replace the MG with SPL; maybe ER the large laser. But a lot of the XL engine variants are nice to the point I can see them being made at the same time.

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Grasshopper

Lose the missile launcher and three heat sinks. DHS the remaining 'sinks, because almost everything is better with DHS. ER the large laser. Add three MPL; Head and each arm.

I know the MPL isn't everyone's favourite, but this adds a ton of (very) short range firepower while removing the need to add CASE. Also adds a minimal amount of infantry killing.

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Grasshopper GHR-5H
Base Tech Level: Standard (IS)
Level            Era   
-----------------------
Experimental      -   
Advanced      2780-3044
Standard        3045+ 
Extinct       2865-3040
Tech Rating: E/X-F(F*)-D-X

Weight: 70 tons
BV: 1,627
Cost: 6,551,573 C-bills
Source: TRO 3039 - Star League
Role: Skirmisher

Movement: 4/6/4
Engine: 280
Double Heat Sinks: 19 [38]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 107
Armor: 208/217
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               22     30   
Center Torso (rear)               13   
Right Torso                15     20   
Right Torso (rear)                10   
Left Torso                 15     20   
Left Torso (rear)                 10   
Right Arm                  11     22   
Left Arm                   11     22   
Right Leg                  15     26   
Left Leg                   15     26   

Weapons             Loc  Heat 
-------------------------------
Medium Laser         LA    3   
Medium Laser         RA    3   
Medium Laser         LT    3   
Medium Laser         RT    3   
ER Large Laser       CT   12   
Medium Pulse Laser   RA    4   
Medium Pulse Laser   HD    4   
Medium Pulse Laser   LA    4   


[Daryk]

Maybe split one of the Medium Pulse Lasers into two Small Pulse Lasers? ^-^

[Starfury]

Thanks, Daryk.  I used the GOL-3M as part of a Marik assault lance back in 1990, and the overskinked XL engine combined with MGs was always a pain, especially since the IS was stuck with only one mech capable of being changed from the book standard out of your lance.  I usually dumped 5 heat sinks out along with the MGs, and added in a ER Large, an extra ton of Gauss ammo, and 2 mediums.

[Daryk]

Being a quad limited the crit spaces pretty heavily, but between DHS and Endo-Steel, I was able to upgrade both LRM launchers, ER the PPC, put in CASE, and max the armor.  Glad you like it!  :thumbsup:

[Greatclub]

MPL kill three troopers per hit - good enough for most purposes since PBI smooshing isn't a primary task.

[Daryk]

You're right, as long as they're all in front of the 'mech.  You can only put one behind you, though...

[Ruger]

Grasshopper

Lose the missile launcher and three heat sinks. DHS the remaining 'sinks, because almost everything is better with DHS. ER the large laser. Add three MPL; Head and each arm.

I know the MPL isn't everyone's favourite, but this adds a ton of (very) short range firepower while removing the need to add CASE. Also adds a minimal amount of infantry killing.

My favored mod to the Grasshopper is to drop enough heat sinks (making the rest doubles), and adding endosteel so you can upgrade the engine to a 350 standard and add an extra jump jet...this gives you a 70 ton 5/8/5 moving, nearly maxed armored zombie, especially if you drop the LRM's...

Edit: Hmm...if you use the 5N model as the basis, I believe you can keep the armament and 11 double heat sinks, add endo and replace the armor with 11.5 tons of ferro, and this should give you enough tonnage to upgrade the engine to a 350 standard and add that extra jump jet...a 70 ton 5/8/5 moving zombie armed with a ppc and 5 medium lasers and armored with 206 points of armor...or you could drop the extra heat sink and 2 medium lasers and the ppc for 2 large lasers...runs a bit hotter but has 2 large lasers and 3 medium lasers total...

Ruger

[Major Headcase]

But.... I must declare that I wuv the original junkers just the way they are and wouldn't change them for the world ♥....
 :))
Sorry, had to be done...  >:D

[Sartris]

But.... I must declare that I wuv the original junkers just the way they are and wouldn't change them for the world ♥....
 :))
Sorry, had to be done...  >:D

[Greatclub]

My favored mod to the Grasshopper is to drop enough heat sinks (making the rest doubles), and adding endosteel so you can upgrade the engine to a 350 standard and add an extra jump jet...this gives you a 70 ton 5/8/5 moving, nearly maxed armored zombie, especially if you drop the LRM's...

Edit: Hmm...if you use the 5N model as the basis, I believe you can keep the armament and 11 double heat sinks, add endo and replace the armor with 11.5 tons of ferro, and this should give you enough tonnage to upgrade the engine to a 350 standard and add that extra jump jet...a 70 ton 5/8/5 moving zombie armed with a ppc and 5 medium lasers and armored with 206 points of armor...or you could drop the extra heat sink and 2 medium lasers and the ppc for 2 large lasers...runs a bit hotter but has 2 large lasers and 3 medium lasers total...

Ruger

If it was a new-built mech then that would be a thing. But the Grasshopper is a rare mech that has been out of production for centuries. Changing the skeleton and engine isn't a refit, it's a complete disassembly and rebuild.

You can argue either way the likelihood it would increase or decrease the extent of the refit, but it should be considered. Also, if we're talking about 3050r and 3050u, that includes the Guillotine, which should go down a different upgrade path to differentiate them. 

[Ruger]

If it was a new-built mech then that would be a thing. But the Grasshopper is a rare mech that has been out of production for centuries. Changing the skeleton and engine isn't a refit, it's a complete disassembly and rebuild.

You can argue either way the likelihood it would increase or decrease the extent of the refit, but it should be considered. Also, if we're talking about 3050r and 3050u, that includes the Guillotine, which should go down a different upgrade path to differentiate them.

Granted...a simpler refit would be to drop down to 14 double heat sinks and replace each of the arm mounted medium lasers with large lasers... >:D

For the Guillotine, I think I would favor the following: drop the heat sinks to 12 doubles, move the large laser to the left arm and add another (while dropping the medium lasers there), and place a ppc in the right arm. Drop the armor to 11.5 tons of Ferro and add CASE to protect the SRM ammo...

Ruger

[Greatclub]

Putting an XL engine in a Charger is just plain bad economic unless you're completely strapped for mechs. This is a refit that lets Kurita get some use out of the Chargers they have without breaking the bank. Then you rebuild the factory so the new-built models go 4/6

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Charger CGR-1k1-'50

Mass: 80 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 9,824,640 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,229

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 400 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h (64.8 km/h)
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h (97.2 km/h)
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
    3  Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     122 points                8.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                400                      52.50
    Walking MP: 5 (6)
    Running MP: 8 (9)
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
    TSM Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL
Armor:              Ferro-Fibrous                AV - 170                  9.50
    Armor Locations: 2 CT, 3 LT, 2 RT, 3 LA, 2 RA, 1 LL, 1 RL

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     25           24       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  7         
                                           L/R Torso     17           21       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  6         
                                             L/R Arm     13           18       
                                             L/R Leg     17           20       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Laser                                 RT        3         1         1.00
Medium Laser                                 LT        3         1         1.00
Medium Laser                                 HD        3         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 24

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      6    Points: 12
5          2       2       0       0      4     0   Structure:  6
Special Abilities: TSM, ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA



00000




Here is an upgrade of the Steiner Griffin.

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Griffin GRF-1S2
Base Tech Level: Standard (IS)

Weight: 55 tons
BV: 1,476
Cost: 5,262,457 C-bills

Movement: 5/8/5
Engine: 275
Double Heat Sinks: 11 [22]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 91
Armor: 160/185
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               18     22   
Center Torso (rear)                7   
Right Torso                13     20   
Right Torso (rear)                 6   
Left Torso                 13     20   
Left Torso (rear)                  6   
Right Arm                   9     15   
Left Arm                    9     15   
Right Leg                  13     20   
Left Leg                   13     20   

Weapons         Loc  Heat 
---------------------------
Medium Laser     RA    3   
Medium Laser     RA    3   
ER Large Laser   RA   12   
LRM 10           RT    4   

Ammo         Loc  Shots 
-------------------------
LRM 10 Ammo   LT     12 
LRM 10 Ammo   LT     12 

Equipment  Loc 
----------------
CASE        LT 




00000

For a panther, I nominate the -10K2. Thing is a decent trooper for it's weight. In the same vein, it's hard to do better than the WLF-2, so I vote that stays the same; maybe drop the rear medium laser for another heat sink.

00000

Here's an upgrade of the Marik Banshee. The mandatory DHS are there, as well as ERing the PPC. The medium lasers are removed to turn the mech into an infantry blander, and the armour is replaced with Ferro, increasing the armor on the arms a bit and (more importanly) the legs a lot.

Nice simple refit.

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Banshee BNC-3Mr
Base Tech Level: Standard (IS)
Weight: 95 tons
BV: 1,778
Cost: 10,577,027 C-bills
Role: Sniper

Movement: 4/6
Engine: 380
Double Heat Sinks: 16 [32]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 145
Armor: 268/293 (Ferro-Fibrous)
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               30     40   
Center Torso (rear)               17   
Right Torso                20     30   
Right Torso (rear)                10   
Left Torso                 20     30   
Left Torso (rear)                 10   
Right Arm                  16     25   
Left Arm                   16     25   
Right Leg                  20     36   
Left Leg                   20     36   

Weapons            Loc  Heat 
------------------------------
ER PPC              RT   15   
ER PPC              LT   15   
Small Laser         HD    1   
Small Pulse Laser   RT    2   
Small Pulse Laser   LT    2   

00000

And here's an refit to the basic -3E Banshee. Still over-engined, but if you don't want to mess with the core of the mech, this is as good as I can come up with. Hesprides new built could easily be canon -5S, but this is to make use of the older 'mechs in the LCAF.

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Banshee BNC-5E
Base Tech Level: Standard (IS)

Weight: 95 tons
BV: 1,745
Cost: 10,952,890 C-bills

Movement: 4/6
Engine: 380
Double Heat Sinks: 10 [20]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 145
Armor: 268/293 (Ferro-Fibrous)
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               30     40   
Center Torso (rear)               17   
Right Torso                20     30   
Right Torso (rear)                10   
Left Torso                 20     30   
Left Torso (rear)                 10   
Right Arm                  16     25   
Left Arm                   16     25   
Right Leg                  20     36   
Left Leg                   20     36   

Weapons       Loc  Heat 
-------------------------
ER PPC         RT   15   
Medium Laser   HD    3   
LB 10-X AC     LT    2   
TAG            CT    0   

Ammo                  Loc  Shots 
----------------------------------
LB 10-X AC Ammo        LT     10 
LB 10-X Cluster Ammo   LT     10 

Equipment  Loc 
----------------
CASE        LT 

[Greatclub]

I think I actually like this Urbanmech. It's got a solid long-range hit, a nasty amount of close-firepower for a light mech, and nice accuracy at point-blank.

I expect a lot of people will call it bad things anyway

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UrbanMech UM-R60
Base Tech Level: Standard (IS)
Level            Era   
-----------------------
Experimental      -   
Advanced      3050-3054
Standard        3055+ 
Tech Rating: E/X-X-D-D

Weight: 30 tons
BV: 672
Cost: 1,860,625 C-bills
Source: TRO 3039 - Star League
Role: Ambusher

Movement: 2/3/2
Engine: 60
Double Heat Sinks: 12 [24]
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 51
Armor: 105/105 (Ferro-Fibrous)
                     Internal  Armor   
----------------------------------------
Head                        3      9   
Center Torso               10     12   
Center Torso (rear)                8   
Right Torso                 7      9   
Right Torso (rear)                 5   
Left Torso                  7      9   
Left Torso (rear)                  5   
Right Arm                   5     10   
Left Arm                    5     10   
Right Leg                   7     14   
Left Leg                    7     14   

Weapons            Loc  Heat 
------------------------------
Large Pulse Laser   RA   10   
ER Large Laser      RA   12   
Small Laser         LA    1   




 

[Daryk]

Urbies are cool... here's one with a Thumper Artillery Cannon and a couple of Medium Pulse Lasers.  The obligatory Blazer Cannon version will follow shortly...

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TAC Urbie

Mass: 30 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-F-E-A
Production Year: 3025
Cost: 1,799,200 C-Bills
Battle Value: 538

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 60 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 21.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 32.4 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 60 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor w/ CASE
Armament:
    2  Medium Pulse Lasers
    1  Thumper Art. Cannon
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    51 points                1.50
    Internal Locations: 1 RT, 9 LA, 2 LL, 2 RL
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 60                       1.50
    Walking MP: 2
    Running MP: 3
    Jumping MP: 2 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 2 CT                                               1.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 4 LT, 3 RT, 1 RA
Gyro:               Standard                                               1.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 104                  6.50
    CASE Locations: 1 RT                                                   0.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     10           15       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  4         
                                           L/R Torso     7            10       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  4         
                                             L/R Arm     5            10       
                                             L/R Leg     7            14       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Pulse Laser                           HD        4         1         2.00
Thumper Art. Cannon                          RA        5         7        10.00
Medium Pulse Laser                           LA        4         1         2.00
@Thumper Cannon (20)                         RT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 5
2j         2       2       0       0      1     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: ARTTC, CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

[Daryk]

DHS make it hard to fit things in...  ::)

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Blazer Urbie

Mass: 30 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-F-E-A
Production Year: 3025
Cost: 1,777,425 C-Bills
Battle Value: 707

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 60 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 21.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 32.4 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 60 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Binary Laser Cannon
    2  Medium Pulse Lasers
    1  Small Pulse Laser
    1  Small Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                    51 points                1.50
    Internal Locations: 7 LA, 3 RA, 2 LL, 2 RL
Engine:             Fusion Engine                 60                       1.50
    Walking MP: 2
    Running MP: 3
    Jumping MP: 2 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 2 CT                                               1.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             11(22)                    1.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 4 LT, 4 RT, 1 RA
Gyro:               Standard                                               1.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 104                  6.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            8         
                                        Center Torso     10           15       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  5         
                                           L/R Torso     7            10       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  4         
                                             L/R Arm     5            10       
                                             L/R Leg     7            14       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Pulse Laser                           HD        4         1         2.00
Binary Laser Cannon                          RA        16        4         9.00
Medium Pulse Laser                           LA        4         1         2.00
Small Pulse Laser                            LA        2         1         1.00
Small Laser                                  LA        1         1         0.50
                                            Free Critical Slots: 0

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 7
2j         3       3       0       0      1     0   Structure:  3
Special Abilities: ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

[Atarlost]

'Mechs mounting IS XL engines can't survive a side torso destruction, so even if the CASE keeps an ammo explosion from spreading, the 'mech will be needing a new power plant; XLs are most of the 'mech's cost, and they are very hard to come by, so most of the time the 'mech will be a write off anyway.


ongoing campaign. As in, repair after the fact. Case/XL needs a ton of work to fix in order to make it combat effective again. No CASE means you need a new mech.

Individual game there isn't a difference, I agree.

If you don't have time or skilled techs to repair XL engines there also isn't much of a difference.  The obvious solution is to only use XL engines on flashbulbs and possibly gauss platforms as gauss ammo is inert and gauss rifles can be powered down and made safe without stopping or opening up the back of the mech like you must to dump ammo. 

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JagerMech JM6-DD2

Mass: 65 tons
Chassis: Standard Biped
Power Plant: 260 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 43.2 kph
Maximum Speed: 64.8 kph
Jump Jets: None
     Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
     2 LB 10-X AC
     2 Medium Pulse Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3049
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-F-E-D
Cost: 6,377,525 C-bills

Overview
Failure to adapt flak ammunition to work with Ultra AC-5 feed mechanisms doomed left the JM6-DD unsuited to its original design role.  The meager armor upgrade did not fit it for a direct combat role and frequent losses to ammo explosions in spite of attempts at CASE did not help matters.  The extra-light engine had to go, as did the unreliable and inadequately versatile ultra-autocannons.  Instead the JM6-DD2 mounts an LB-10X autocannon in each arm providing better anti-air capabilities and greater firepower than the original.  Even with a return to the older standard fusion engine it is able to upgrade armor protection to a merely laughable instead of outright murderous 8 tons of ferro-fibrous. 

Type: JagerMech
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Tonnage: 65
Battle Value: 1,252

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure                                  6.5
Engine                        260 Fusion           13.5
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sink                     10                      0
Gyro                                                  3
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor (Ferro)          143                     8

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            21        22   
     Center Torso (rear)               6     
     R/L Torso               15        20   
     R/L Torso (rear)                  4     
     R/L Arm                 10        10   
     R/L Leg                 15        19   


Right Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm
Left Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm

Weapons
and Ammo               Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage
CASE                      RT        1        -       0.5   
Medium Pulse Laser        RT        1        4       2.0   
LB 10-X AC Ammo (20)      RT        2        -       2.0   
LB 10-X AC                LA        6        2       11.0 
CASE                      LT        1        -       0.5   
Medium Pulse Laser        LT        1        4       2.0   
LB 10-X AC Ammo (20)      LT        2        -       2.0   
LB 10-X AC                RA        6        2       11.0 

[Sartris]

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Atlas AS7-E

Mass: 100 tons
Chassis: Endo Steel Biped
Power Plant: 300 Fusion
Cruising Speed: 32.4 kph
Maximum Speed: 54 kph
Jump Jets: None
     Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Standard
Armament:
     1 LRM 20
     2 PPC
     1 LB 10-X AC
     3 Medium Pulse Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
     Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3048
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-F-E-D
Cost: 11,068,000 C-bills

Type: Atlas
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Tonnage: 100
Battle Value: 2,214

Equipment                                          Mass
Internal Structure            Endo Steel              5
Engine                        300 Fusion             19
Walking MP: 3
Running MP: 5
Jumping MP: 0
Double Heat Sink              14 [28]                 4
Gyro                                                  3
Cockpit                                               3
Armor Factor                  304                    19

                          Internal   Armor   
                          Structure  Value   
     Head                    3         9     
     Center Torso            31        46   
     Center Torso (rear)               15   
     R/L Torso               21        32   
     R/L Torso (rear)                  10   
     R/L Arm                 17        33   
     R/L Leg                 21        42   


Right Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm, Lower Arm, Hand
Left Arm Actuators: Shoulder, Upper Arm, Lower Arm, Hand

Weapons
and Ammo               Location  Critical   Heat    Tonnage
CASE                      RT        1        -       0.5   
LB 10-X AC                RT        6        2       11.0 
LB 10-X AC Ammo (30)      RT        3        -       3.0   
PPC                       LA        3        10      7.0   
Double Heat Sink          LA        3        -       1.0   
Medium Pulse Laser        LA        1        4       2.0   
LRM 20                    LT        5        6       10.0 
LRM 20 Ammo (12)          LT        2        -       2.0   
CASE                      LT        1        -       0.5   
Double Heat Sink          LT        3        -       1.0   
Medium Pulse Laser      CT(R)       1        4       2.0   
PPC                       RA        3        10      7.0   
Medium Pulse Laser        RA        1        4       2.0   


[Daryk]

Hmmm... an LB-10X is much less satisfying than an AC/20, despite the addition of 2 PPCs.  An Atlas needs some kind of headcapper as a beat stick.  Blazer Cannons work for that you know...  ^-^

[Dave Talley]

Hmmm... an LB-10X is much less satisfying than an AC/20, despite the addition of 2 PPCs.  An Atlas needs some kind of headcapper as a beat stick.  Blazer Cannons work for that you know...  ^-^

and blazers don't have ammo to go boom

[Sartris]

There were probably like 3 blazers in the IS. You’d be on the waitlist from decades and you know that jerk from Skye is going to return it late

[DOC_Agren]

My favorite the Warhammer 7D, a logical upgrade of the 6D. 
No Ammo Boom, 2 ER PPC for range hits, 2 ML for close work, 2 SPL for those really close problems and infantry and a SL because 1 point of armor not worth it.

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Type: Untitled
Technology Base: Inner Sphere / 3050
Ruleset: Standard (5th edition)
Tonnage: 70
Cost: 6,359,898 C-bills
Battle Value: 1,177
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure: Standard 7.0
Engine: 280 16.0
Type: Fusion
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 19 [38] 9.0
         (3 RT, 3 LT, 1 RA, 1 LA)
Gyro: Standard 3.0
Cockpit: 3.0
Armor Factor: 216 13.5
Internal
Structure Armor
Value
Head 3 9
Center Torso 22 32
Center Torso (rear) 11
L/R Torso 15/15 22/22
L/R Torso (rear) 8/8
L/R Arms 11/11 22/22
L/R Legs 15/15 30/30
Weapons and Ammo Location Crits Tons
Medium Laser LT 1 1.0
Small Pulse Laser LT 1 1.0
Medium Laser RT 1 1.0
Small Pulse Laser RT 1 1.0
Small Laser CT 1 0.5
ER PPC LA 3 7.0
ER PPC RA 3 7.0
fixed the DHS thanks Dave

[Daryk]

There were probably like 3 blazers in the IS. You’d be on the waitlist from decades and you know that jerk from Skye is going to return it late

As I recall, all the Houses eventually prototyped it, so figure at least 5... :)

[Dave Talley]

My favorite the Warhammer 7D, a logical upgrade of the 6D. 

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Type: Untitled
Technology Base: Inner Sphere / 3050
Ruleset: Standard (5th edition)
Tonnage: 70
Cost: 6,359,898 C-bills
Battle Value: 1,177
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure: Standard 7.0
Engine: 280 16.0
Type: Fusion
Walking MP: 4
Running MP: 6
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: 19 [19] 9.0
         (3 RT, 3 LT, 1 RA, 1 LA)
Gyro: Standard 3.0
Cockpit: 3.0
Armor Factor: 216 13.5
Internal
Structure Armor
Value
Head 3 9
Center Torso 22 32
Center Torso (rear) 11
L/R Torso 15/15 22/22
L/R Torso (rear) 8/8
L/R Arms 11/11 22/22
L/R Legs 15/15 30/30
Weapons and Ammo Location Crits Tons
Medium Laser LT 1 1.0
Medium Pulse Laser LT 1 1.0
Medium Laser RT 1 1.0
Medium Pulse Laser RT 1 1.0
Small Laser CT 1 0.5
ER PPC LA 3 7.0
ER PPC RA 3 7.0

forget to double the sinks?

[DOC_Agren]

forget to double the sinks?

fixed thanks

[(SMD)MadCow]

How about a Cyclops that has slightly less fire power than other models and only 86% of armor coverage, but is a sweet command/ops ride for the time (command couch + 4 tons of communications equipment):

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Cyclops CP-11-MC

Mass: 90 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Advanced Rules
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-E-A
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 10,883,960 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,633

Chassis: Unknown Endo-Steel
Power Plant: Unknown 360 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor w/ CASE
Armament:
    1  LB 10-X AC
    1  LRM-10
    2  ER Medium Lasers
    1  SRM-4
    1  Communications Equipment (3.0 tons)
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

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Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Endo-Steel                   138 points                4.50
    Internal Locations: 2 LT, 4 LA, 4 RA, 2 LL, 2 RL
Engine:             Fusion Engine                360                      33.00
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               4.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 240                 15.00
    CASE Locations: 1 RT                                                   0.50

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     29           37       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10       
                                           L/R Torso     19           31       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  7         
                                             L/R Arm     15           24       
                                             L/R Leg     19           30       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Command Console                              HD        -         1         3.00
SRM-4                                        CT        3         1         2.00
LB 10-X AC                                   RT        2         6        11.00
LRM-10                                       LT        4         2         5.00
Communications Equipment (1.0 tons) (3.0 tons) LT        0         3         3.00
ER Medium Laser                              RA        5         1         1.00
ER Medium Laser                              LA        5         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10)                      RT        -         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (10)                         RT        -         1         1.00
@LRM-10 (12)                                 RT        -         1         1.00
@SRM-4 (25)                                  RT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 13

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      8    Points: 16
4          3       3       2       0      4     0   Structure:  7
Special Abilities: CASE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, IF 1, FLK 1/1/1


[Daryk]

Don't forget 'mechs come with one ton of "free" Communications Equipment built into the cockpit, so 3 and 4 tons of the stuff give you the same effects.

[(SMD)MadCow]

Don't forget 'mechs come with one ton of "free" Communications Equipment built into the cockpit, so 3 and 4 tons of the stuff give you the same effects.

Aww, I did forget. That'll free up a ton for more armor,  will be able to edit later.
***and done.

[Greatclub]

House Liao has a bare handful of Assassin, but those it has have been refitted and reassigned to special teams. On several occasions the first indication Marik troops have had that the enemy was in the area was an upgraded assassin NARCing their most dangerous mech, followed by hundreds of LRMs launched from out of sight.

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Assassin ASN-105
Base Tech Level: Standard (IS)
Level            Era   
-----------------------
Experimental      -   
Advanced      3047-3054
Standard        3055+ 
Tech Rating: E/X-F-D-D

Weight: 40 tons
BV: 689
Cost: 3,925,413 C-bills

Movement: 7/11/7
Engine: 280
Heat Sinks: 10
Gyro: Standard Gyro

Internal: 67
Armor: 71/137 (Ferro-Fibrous)
                     Internal  Armor   
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Head                        3      8   
Center Torso               12     12   
Center Torso (rear)                3   
Right Torso                10     10   
Right Torso (rear)                 2   
Left Torso                 10     10   
Left Torso (rear)                  2   
Right Arm                   6      6   
Left Arm                    6      6   
Right Leg                  10      6   
Left Leg                   10      6   

Weapons             Loc  Heat 
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Medium Pulse Laser   RA    4   
Narc                 LT    0   

Ammo       Loc  Shots 
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Narc Pods   LT      6 

Equipment  Loc 
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CASE        LT