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Star Wars General Discussion: Somehow The Thread Returned
« on: 23 October 2022, 11:18:57 »
Alright lovely people, after some discussion, the mods and admins have agreed to open a new thread for the general discussion of Star Wars. For the most part, our local Star Wars community has done well enough in the threads for individual shows. You guys only ever seem to get tripped up when you drift off-topic and start leaning hard into politics, personal grievances, and one-on-one arguments.

The usual rules apply, of course, but we will absolutely be paying close attention to this thread. If you guys start fights with one another, complain about behind-the-scenes politics, or make this thread a home for any other toxic behavior, don’t be surprised to see warnings and thread locks.
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Re: Star Wars General Discussion: Somehow The Thread Returned
« Reply #1 on: 25 October 2022, 08:06:08 »
Has anyone seen Andor yet? I am hearing good things about it, but I am not able watch it yet.
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Re: Star Wars General Discussion: Somehow The Thread Returned
« Reply #2 on: 25 October 2022, 08:16:10 »
It has it's own thread: https://bg.battletech.com/forums/off-topic/andor-discussion-thread/

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Re: Star Wars General Discussion: Somehow The Thread Returned
« Reply #3 on: 03 November 2022, 21:21:21 »
Explain 'Tales of the Jedi' in a manner than one isn't familiar with the source material...

which I'm sorta am. The only stuff that i have not watched end to end is the animated serials (and after watching the 6 episodes of Tales i think I'm ready.

Fioni dipped his fingers to all that?
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Re: Star Wars General Discussion: Somehow The Thread Returned
« Reply #4 on: 03 November 2022, 22:20:33 »
Explain 'Tales of the Jedi' in a manner than one isn't familiar with the source material...

Stories that weren't good enough to make it into the Clone Wars cartoon while it was still airing.

They're not bad but there's not anything inspiring in there.
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Re: Star Wars General Discussion: Somehow The Thread Returned
« Reply #5 on: 03 November 2022, 22:23:43 »
Explain 'Tales of the Jedi' in a manner than one isn't familiar with the source material...

which I'm sorta am. The only stuff that i have not watched end to end is the animated serials (and after watching the 6 episodes of Tales i think I'm ready.

Fioni dipped his fingers to all that?
the succession wars animated series, fills in a lot of the gaps between the second and 3rd prequel movies.
the bad batch season 1 (season 2 is coming out in feb) starts out right before order 66 goes off, and goes until the empire starts really taking over.

Rebels season 1 and 2 takes place after the empire took over but before "a new hope, and rogue one" and some of it takes place earlier and later (there is some timeie wimie weirdness in the series.)

the "resistance" animated series, is a side story leading up to the 7-9 movies

then you have obi-wan, and Andor , and the mando and boba live series

scotty I would say its more they fill in some plot holes details that weren't addressed until now

the "tales of the jedi" series tells why asoka ended up going to the jedi from her family, it also covers why duku ended up going from being a jedi to a separatist (and sith) and a lt of his fall, and who was responsible, Darth Sidious was a big part of it
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Re: Star Wars General Discussion: Somehow The Thread Returned
« Reply #6 on: 03 November 2022, 22:42:25 »
I'm going to suggest that for the broader goal of keeping the thread unlocked that we avoid referring to "events that have not been explained in painstaking detail" as "plot holes".

Or better yet, just leave the word "plot hole" out of the thread.  That seems healthier.
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« Reply #7 on: 05 November 2022, 20:57:42 »
I'm going to suggest that for the broader goal of keeping the thread unlocked that we avoid referring to "events that have not been explained in painstaking detail" as "plot holes".


yes please, sooo sick of people watching the first episode of a bloody season for serial TV and being all "ah ha, this series didn't answer all my questions immediatly it's a plot hole!"

If that kinda additude existed back in the 70s people would be calling the referance to clone wars plotholes.
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Re: Star Wars General Discussion: Somehow The Thread Returned
« Reply #8 on: 06 November 2022, 00:01:06 »
what annoys me is when the things they are calling plot holes have basically nothing related to the plot? something that is just an inconsistency but which has absolutely no impact on the story is not a plot hole, it is just an inconsistency, or at best, trivia.

likewise things that are arguably holes in the logic of the plot, but which are clearly done for dramatic purposes to further the plot. like when romantic protagonists never just sit down and talk after a misunderstanding instead of coming up with zany schemes or going straight to angst. or when the bad guy's heavily armored and elite soldiers can be killed with simple weapons and traps, or knocked out by a single punch. sure, it doesn't make a lot of sense.. but sometimes logic and sense has to take a backseat to the drama. media where you can preserve both are rare, and ironically often poorly received since people are so used to such dramatic tropes that smart aversions of them feel wrong to the audience.

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Re: Star Wars General Discussion: Somehow The Thread Returned
« Reply #10 on: 08 November 2022, 22:43:15 »
I heard the Mandalorian was better than the Book of Boba-Fett. I watched the first few episodes of both and I was, meh.   I really want to like Boba-Fett, because I would have if I were a kid; I saw RotJ in the theaters and was in awe.


More importantly, FASA's Renegade-Legion: Interceptor game was suppose to be use in the Star-Wars, but they couldn't get the rights to it.

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« Reply #11 on: 08 November 2022, 22:57:16 »
I heard the Mandalorian was better than the Book of Boba-Fett. I watched the first few episodes of both and I was, meh.   I really want to like Boba-Fett, because I would have if I were a kid; I saw RotJ in the theaters and was in awe.


More importantly, FASA's Renegade-Legion: Interceptor game was suppose to be use in the Star-Wars, but they couldn't get the rights to it.

BF would have been great had it not been so.... meh helmed (but the reasons why are far too political to even discuss)
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« Reply #12 on: 09 November 2022, 20:18:49 »
mandalorian has a slow start, it starts to pick up in the 2nd half of the first season, and builds from there. the first episodes are mostly introducing you to characters and locations which will come into play with the main storyline later, as well as giving you a bunch of character development for the protagonist.

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« Reply #13 on: 08 December 2022, 10:27:27 »
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« Reply #14 on: 16 December 2022, 20:39:44 »
so i've been rewatching SW:Rebels in light of finishing Andor, and i had a thought. Andor and the first seasons of Rebels occur at roughly the same time.

in Andor Season 1, Episode 10 "One way out", we see Andor instigating a massive breakout of prisoners from an imperial prison where the empire 'disappears' prisoners to.

in SW Rebels, Ezra's parents were arrested by the empire for anti-empire radio broadcasts, and then sent to a prison. a prison where their names and identities were completely hidden from public records. in Rebels Season 2 episode 11 "legacy", we find out that a mass breakout had occured in the prison they had been sent to, and we see Ezra using a force meditation method to divine form the list of prisoner numbers and records an individual he'd seen in a vision.. he paged though thousands of names scrolling by rapidly before stopping. this leads him to a person who knew his parents, and which had been in the same prison.. who tells Ezra that his parents had helped plan the mass escape, and in helping everyone get out, ended up being killed before they could escape themselves.

surely the mass escape of thousands of prisoners from a secure imperial prison complex isn't a common occurrence for the empire? could the Bridger's have been in the same Narkina 5 prison complex Andor was, and part of the same breakout? it would require sliding the relative timelines a little compared to the current assumptions, but it would make for an interesting stealth connection. the bridger's being said to be involved in planning it would be explained by them being part of one of the other isolated shifts we see, and them doing much like Andor and Jemboc did, figuring out how they'd go about breaking out should they get an opportunity. Andor and Kino's little revolt becomes the spark that allows the Bridgers to get the workers of their shift to freedom, perhaps them taking up the rear to help stragglers, and end up getting caught by the Imperial security response teams from the other complexes.




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« Reply #15 on: 28 December 2022, 12:21:30 »
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« Reply #16 on: 30 December 2022, 10:29:34 »
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Re: Star Wars General Discussion: Somehow The Thread Returned
« Reply #17 on: 01 January 2023, 16:51:16 »
I adore the name of this incarnation of ye ole Star Wars thread. 

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« Reply #18 on: 01 January 2023, 21:34:54 »
I adore the name of this incarnation of ye ole Star Wars thread. 

Sheeve, just stay dead, k?   :laughing_skull:
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« Reply #19 on: 01 January 2023, 21:51:34 »
i've seen one proposal online that Palpatine wasn't palpatine.. he was Plagus. that when Sidious killed Plagus, plagus took over palpatine's body the way that palps wanted to take over Rey's. that annakin skywalker was created by Plagus in a similar plan as to what palp's did to create Rey, just with mystical rather then technological means. and that once he realized who annakin was, he was grooming the boy to be his next host. Mustafar ruined that plan, so he set in motion the cloning ploy, then he learned about Luke.. and in ROTJ his urging for Luke to strike him down was to both turn luke to the dark side and take over Luke's body.

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« Reply #20 on: 01 January 2023, 22:13:28 »
It's possible, but honestly it just feels like further unnecessary complication to an already unnecessarily complicated thing.
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Re: Star Wars General Discussion: Somehow The Thread Returned
« Reply #21 on: 04 January 2023, 23:00:48 »
I enjoyed our first two episodes of The Bad Batch Season 2.   :popcorn:
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Re: Star Wars General Discussion: Somehow The Thread Returned
« Reply #22 on: 06 January 2023, 23:18:00 »
I enjoyed our first two episodes of The Bad Batch Season 2.   :popcorn:

The Imperials are pretty rough on their clones...

 I wonder if we'll see more of Mount Tantiss and the Kaminoans Scorch was escorting last season?

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« Reply #23 on: 07 January 2023, 12:05:28 »
It's not like they would care about clones and they did eventually replace clones with Stormtroopers. 
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« Reply #24 on: 07 January 2023, 12:29:17 »
Well to be fair, Agent Kallus wasn't above killing Stormtroopers on a whim either.
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« Reply #25 on: 07 January 2023, 16:27:41 »
Well to be fair, Agent Kallus wasn't above killing Stormtroopers on a whim either.
at least in the first season, yeah.

(i once tried to count all the deaths in the pilot two episodes of rebels, because i got tired of people who'd never watched the thing claiming it was a sappy kids show.. while i had to discount a few early on during the crate heist due to lack of clear result, and didn't count any of the ones Zeb knocks out with punches, between stormtroopers and tie fighters, i counted over 50 deaths.. they were just in santitized blood-free styles. the one that kallus kicks into the miles deep pit had to be the most gratuitous though..)
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« Reply #26 on: 07 January 2023, 18:32:33 »
Not to mention two that had they heads cut off by Grand Inquisitor. 
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« Reply #27 on: 07 January 2023, 18:57:40 »
Not to mention two that had they heads cut off by Grand Inquisitor.

To be fair, that did improve the quality of the officer corps on Lothal...
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« Reply #28 on: 07 January 2023, 20:59:38 »
i've seen one proposal online that Palpatine wasn't palpatine.. he was Plagus. that when Sidious killed Plagus, plagus took over palpatine's body the way that palps wanted to take over Rey's. that annakin skywalker was created by Plagus in a similar plan as to what palp's did to create Rey, just with mystical rather then technological means. and that once he realized who annakin was, he was grooming the boy to be his next host. Mustafar ruined that plan, so he set in motion the cloning ploy, then he learned about Luke.. and in ROTJ his urging for Luke to strike him down was to both turn luke to the dark side and take over Luke's body.

Actually, this is good.  I like it because it's like how the EU was going prior to it being rendered non-canon.

Palpatine divined that Plagus had caused the "convergence in the Force" that created Anakin specifically to create the perfect apprentice.  Palp very rightly felt the coldness of death looming in the future if he didn't act to counter it.

This in turn motivates Palps to follow through on the murder of his complacent master as soon as he possibly could.

He then looked forward to reaping the rewards of Plagus' work and soon enough Anakin fell right into his creepy hands.

After Anakin's maiming on Mustafar, he was rendered mostly harmless as far as Sidious was concerned.

Then as you said, Luke showed up.  This is all backed up in the novelization of RotJ.  At several places the cheerfully hateful mental interplay between Palpatine and Vader was on display.  Both of them wanted nothing more than to kill the other one and set up Luke as their own apprentice.

Then what you mention...  Perhaps Palpatine wanted to directly take over Luke's body if possible.  Interesting thought.
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« Reply #29 on: 07 January 2023, 21:31:35 »
Then what you mention...  Perhaps Palpatine wanted to directly take over Luke's body if possible.  Interesting thought.

I think taking over luke was one of his original goals way back during the original dark empire storyline, before he moved on to going for Han and Leia's kids.

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