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Re: Doctor Who: Where did I leave the Tardis?
« Reply #60 on: 09 December 2018, 08:00:47 »
Maybe next season will be better.  They'll have time to think what they were doing and reflect on it to come up with different approach.

It all depends on how they think audience numbers will reflect how they like it. They retaining the hyped new Doctor rode in with.

I think it maybe 2nd season of current doctor see how things are fairing, if people are laying judgement on the series or not.

I need catch up, my media provider started charging on-demand of new episodes coming out so i don't know if can watch more or not.  :-\
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Re: Doctor Who: Where did I leave the Tardis?
« Reply #61 on: 18 December 2018, 14:16:06 »
Well, the wheels of change keep on turning.  They killed off xmas special and move it to New Years Day.

BBC put out a 1 minute animation of Doctor helping Santa.
  I kind think it's weak substitute.  Weren't the specials intended raise money for the Children fun marathon?

We have to wait till 2020 till next series starts up.
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Re: Doctor Who: Where did I leave the Tardis?
« Reply #62 on: 18 December 2018, 15:17:53 »
The first hiatus with Capaldi really hurt my interest in the series, and I liked him.   This new hiatus just about killed it.  Sorry BBC, your managing of serial shows is aweful.

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Re: Doctor Who: Where did I leave the Tardis?
« Reply #63 on: 20 December 2018, 06:51:20 »
The first hiatus with Capaldi really hurt my interest in the series, and I liked him.   This new hiatus just about killed it.  Sorry BBC, your managing of serial shows is aweful.
It appears that this standard operating procedure for a BBC show. I watch weekly Graham Norton show, it seems they do same thing, Year off the air till new stuff comes on. Im sure they will be filming in the Spring.
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Re: Doctor Who: Where did I leave the Tardis?
« Reply #64 on: 21 December 2018, 10:20:45 »
This must be the only current series Doctor Who thread anywhere that hasn't devolved into a critique on how woke it apparently is.
The no politics rule helps, but even with that in place the tonal changes would get a lot more mention one way or another.

I do not normally watch Doctor Who, but I watched a little of it out of curiosity because of what I had heard,  and didn't see much wrong with the little I saw,  it wasn't particularly exciting but I didn't feel I was pushed by an agenda.  So either there is a lot of hysteria and exaggeration elsewhere, or the tonal change was approved of by members here.  So which is it? PM me if you don't think you can adequately reply within the spirit of the forum rules.
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Re: Doctor Who: Where did I leave the Tardis?
« Reply #65 on: 22 December 2018, 07:23:25 »
This must be the only current series Doctor Who thread anywhere that hasn't devolved into a critique on how woke it apparently is.


Ok, I have to ask, what does "woke" mean? I've seen it popping up on social media but not in any context that makes sense to me.
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« Reply #66 on: 22 December 2018, 07:52:28 »
It means that you are socially aware. It's a phrase used by social justice warriors to indicate those who are now aware of all the inequalities in society whether it is by race, gender, sexual orientation, economic status or any other social terminology and that they are now willing to do something about it. Mind you this is just my interpretation of how the word 'woke' is now used.
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« Reply #67 on: 22 December 2018, 08:06:45 »
Ok. I just keep seeing "thats woke" or "thats lit" as apparently interchangeable random statements of approval. I guess it makes a little more sense now
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« Reply #68 on: 22 December 2018, 11:59:06 »
It means that you are socially aware. It's a phrase used by social justice warriors to indicate those who are now aware of all the inequalities in society whether it is by race, gender, sexual orientation, economic status or any other social terminology and that they are now willing to do something about it. Mind you this is just my interpretation of how the word 'woke' is now used.

Merriam-Webster agrees with you.  When exactly did the word acquire this meaning?  I'm a bit out of touch with social trends in North America...

Anyhow, Doctor Who is no stranger to being "woke", as this article from Den of Geek attests:

https://www.denofgeek.com/uk/tv/doctor-who/62051/doctor-whos-long-history-of-political-and-social-consciousness

To those examples I would also add:
--"Terror of the Vervoids" from Colin Baker's final season
--"Oxygen" and "Smile" from Capaldi's final season, and
--"Kill The Moon" and "In the Forest of The Night" from his first. 
In fact, I would argue that you can see how the resolution of this season's "Kerblam!" sets up the kind of macabre capitalism-gone-mad we saw in "Oxygen". 

(And who can forget the image of the Daleks raising their sucker arms from "The Dalek Invasion of Earth"?)

The main difference from past episodes dealing with hot topics in social justice is that while previous attempts were much more allegorical, this season was far more direct and ham-fisted, with the TARDIS crew being dropped directly into some rather unpleasant episodes from Earth history, two still in living memory.  And in two of those stories, the sci-fi elements were pretty weak and ultimately unnecessary.  Upon further reflection, "Rosa" in particular was badly undercut by having a villain who was not only largely impotent, he was a pretty shallow, garden-variety racist.  For all his faults as showrunner, I don't see Moffat handling such a character in the same way--he would give us somebody who would screw with the timeline JUST BECAUSE HE COULD.  But I've learned that most people don't like the idea of evil that exists for its own sake, with no obvious motivation.

Then there's the tendency to use the new sonic much like a tricorder in Star Trek--but again, this is a writing decision, not an actual issue with portrayal.

The second major issue is Jodie Whittaker's characterization of the Doctor.  There are a fair number of people out there who seem to think she's trying too hard to channel Tennant and Smith in her performance, and, while there may be something to that (they are the same age group, after all), I would also say in her defence:
--she/the producers likely wanted to make her Doctor as different from Capaldi's more detached, occasionally imperious and abrasive Doctor as Patrick Troughton's #2 was from William Hartnell's #1
--it took Capaldi about a season and a half before he really owned the role, IMO.  Despite this being his dream come true, he didn't settle in as fast as Tennant and Smith.  (I think that if you were to ask him now whether he played three different Doctors, his answer would be "yes".)  Why not give Whittaker the same latitude?

It is true, though, that she hasn't been consistent, in particular consistently strong.  I would say "The Witchfinders" was the most egregious example of that, where she just kind of knuckled under when faced with the misogyny of the early 1600s.  It's hard to picture River Song reacting the same way...but in other episodes, she's shown the same assertiveness as her male predecessors.  Not as arrogant as Tennant or Capaldi, but not as disarming as Smith either.

Ultimately, I think that if Whittaker's time as the first female Doctor proves to be a failed experiment, it'll be because she wasn't given the material to succeed, not because she wasn't inherently up to the task.  Give her the best writers from the Moffat years and I think she'd do extremely well.

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Re: Doctor Who: Where did I leave the Tardis?
« Reply #69 on: 22 December 2018, 15:46:56 »
It means that you are socially aware. It's a phrase used by social justice warriors to indicate those who are now aware of all the inequalities in society whether it is by race, gender, sexual orientation, economic status or any other social terminology and that they are now willing to do something about it. Mind you this is just my interpretation of how the word 'woke' is now used.

Correct,  "Woke" is a cultural term to define or self define an activist/advocate for political correctness.  It is inherently tied to left wing radical politics and can at its worst be used to define those who impose an activists agenda via any avenue possible.  The BBC has been accused of this, and the current series of Doctor Who is reported to be a vessel for political activism and propaganda.

I find it odd that while this subculture is now pretty much all everyone talks about with current series Doctor Who it is entirely absent from the narrative here except for one mention in passing on one post.  The no politics rule can only cover that up to a point as it would infect the tone of replies if evident, as has been on other forums with Doctor Who threads and no politics rules.  I am finding it odd that it is entirely absent here and an curious if that is due to a demographic gap in the viewership on CBT, a lack of interest or awareness of the phenomena or the possibility that commentary on the phenomena is based on hysteria and hearsay.

I will not be foolish enough to ask members to address any issues for or against, its not the point of the thread anyway only to report whether or not they detected any undertones of partisan political agenda woven into the stories with any consistency, yes or no.

If not and it appears that way from this thread then there might be an exposure to a counter-agenda which would be equally damaging.  i.e Doctor Who and the BBC being accused of an agenda of wokeness that might not actually be there, at least not in the form assumed.
The BBC certainly has some political correct ideology, but some people will report seeing it everywhere, and others will blindly agree.  This created two undertone counter-cultures working opposite to each other both based on personal perceptions and groupthink.  I am alarmed by the spiralling growth of both types of thinking in the media in the UK and public perception of it.

In these difficult times it is hard to find unbiased media critique and I do not want to squander the opportunity to investigate further when found.  In this forum, and here alone within gaming forums that i have found, the series is being reviewed purely as a show I feel confident I will get less bias and agenda driven responses - for or against - here in the critique than elsewhere.

As before if you cannot reply openly due to forum rules just PM me instead.  Please reply though, non-partisan opinions are getting hard to find nowadays.

Yes my motives for the question are inherently political, but I am here to gather data from the thread, not to impart a message of my own.  Hence the polite request.

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« Reply #70 on: 22 December 2018, 18:54:01 »
Correct,  "Woke" is a cultural term to define or self define an activist/advocate for political correctness.  It is inherently tied to left wing radical politics and can at its worst be used to define those who impose an activists agenda via any avenue possible.  The BBC has been accused of this, and the current series of Doctor Who is reported to be a vessel for political activism and propaganda.

I find it odd that while this subculture is now pretty much all everyone talks about with current series Doctor Who it is entirely absent from the narrative here except for one mention in passing on one post.  The no politics rule can only cover that up to a point as it would infect the tone of replies if evident, as has been on other forums with Doctor Who threads and no politics rules.  I am finding it odd that it is entirely absent here and an curious if that is due to a demographic gap in the viewership on CBT, a lack of interest or awareness of the phenomena or the possibility that commentary on the phenomena is based on hysteria and hearsay.

I will not be foolish enough to ask members to address any issues for or against, its not the point of the thread anyway only to report whether or not they detected any undertones of partisan political agenda woven into the stories with any consistency, yes or no.

If not and it appears that way from this thread then there might be an exposure to a counter-agenda which would be equally damaging.  i.e Doctor Who and the BBC being accused of an agenda of wokeness that might not actually be there, at least not in the form assumed.
The BBC certainly has some political correct ideology, but some people will report seeing it everywhere, and others will blindly agree.  This created two undertone counter-cultures working opposite to each other both based on personal perceptions and groupthink.  I am alarmed by the spiralling growth of both types of thinking in the media in the UK and public perception of it.

In these difficult times it is hard to find unbiased media critique and I do not want to squander the opportunity to investigate further when found.  In this forum, and here alone within gaming forums that i have found, the series is being reviewed purely as a show I feel confident I will get less bias and agenda driven responses - for or against - here in the critique than elsewhere.

As before if you cannot reply openly due to forum rules just PM me instead.  Please reply though, non-partisan opinions are getting hard to find nowadays.

Yes my motives for the question are inherently political, but I am here to gather data from the thread, not to impart a message of my own.  Hence the polite request.
trying to avoid the politics aspect but...

my view is that while there is a certain amount of progressive vs conservative aspect in anything the reality is a lot more complex than peoples biases admit in many cases.  now as to DR Who, I always felt that at its roots it was in some ways a commentary, and exploration of various social issues through the lens of a "time traveler alien" so they could have the doctor drop into whatever the issue of the episode was, and essentially look at it with relatively a relatively impartial viewpoint that allows the writers to avoid some of the pitfalls that would come up with the same exploration in over venue's .

with that said I am not completely sold on the new female doctor but she is growing on me.  my friend as far as I can tell can't stand her because of his anti-"social justice warrior" biases of course he despises the new star wars movies for the same reasons, wheras I don't mind them.  my biggest issue with episode 8 (last jedi ) had more to do with the long slow chase scene for 2/3 of the movie, issues with the whole casino side quest, and with luke being relatively speaking mr joe average, rather than one of if not the most powerful force users ever.

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« Reply #71 on: 22 December 2018, 20:11:09 »
So you see the controversy can be explained away as confirmation bias?
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« Reply #72 on: 22 December 2018, 21:21:35 »
I think the ones inclined to want to discuss such matters have departed the forum, and the rest of us aren't keen on discussing possibly sensitive subjects.

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« Reply #73 on: 22 December 2018, 21:52:19 »
Is there any given reason why they moved the special from Xmas to New Years day?
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« Reply #74 on: 23 December 2018, 02:57:21 »
I think the ones inclined to want to discuss such matters have departed the forum, and the rest of us aren't keen on discussing possibly sensitive subjects.

Then what is left to discuss?  Why bother having a thread at all?

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« Reply #75 on: 23 December 2018, 03:49:44 »
I think the ones inclined to want to discuss such matters have departed the forum, and the rest of us aren't keen on discussing possibly sensitive subjects.

You sure.  If a franchise you had an investment in suddenly got agenda driven, and you detected such, this must surely colour your review.

Is it fair to assume than most here did not detect an agenda?
Are comments to the contrary hysteria followed by a pile on of people who already conditioned to support any claims of progressive bias.
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« Reply #76 on: 23 December 2018, 10:44:17 »
Remembering how heated many of those exchanges got in the the past, from seeing this and other threads trimmed down by moderators and member actions, it's possible the remaining posters are weary and wary of unneeded friction with each other.   It's fine to discuss the events and themes of the show and episodes, and again, this is just observations from a single forum member. 

If the story is interesting or entertaining, I have no problem if the theme touches on sensitive subjects.  But if it delves too heavily into something touchy too often, I will probably loose interest in it.  In the case of Dr Who, the lack of a steady flow of episodes, for myself, has me reading synopsis and relying on fellow fans watching it to keep me informed.

As for bias, that's subjective on the viewer, and again most willing to write about it seem to have departed the forums, or maybe they are waiting to binge before reviewing again.

You both are asking questions of me that seem rather skewed, in your case Jankmon, it was up front.  Me?  I'm simple, I started watching Dr Who in the 90s, starting late Tom Baker, and got as far as mid-Capaldi before losing interest.  Perhaps my tastes changed?  I wasn't fond of Matt Smith, and the Ponds I lumped with Peri as the worst companions, and thought Clara got overused.

But yes, historically in the board, there used to be more people discussing each episode as they came out,  and I suspect this thread will be dormant again for a while because of the new hiatus.


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« Reply #77 on: 23 December 2018, 11:29:01 »
I think the ones inclined to want to discuss such matters have departed the forum, and the rest of us aren't keen on discussing possibly sensitive subjects.

But it's more than that.  There really hasn't been very much discussion at all, in any manner.  My own attempts at stimulating such discussion--about plot points, what did you think of the latest MoTW, etc.--have been largely ignored.  I take this to mean that the stories are leaving the regulars cold--that has more to do with the execution than any agenda.

I fell behind in my viewing, so that's why I haven't been commenting. 

I could say a bunch about "It Takes You Away", but I think I will summarize it as such:

Ed Hime, what WERE you thinking when you wrote this train wreck of a script?

And Chris Chibnall, what were YOU thinking when you green-lit it?

Even the normally slavishly-devoted people at Blogtor Who couldn't bring themselves to love this one.  I fear I'll have to agree with the one who said that "talked to the frog" will become synonymous with "jumped the shark".

Biggest tragedy?  A totally wasted performance by young actress Ellie Wallwork, who played the blind girl Hanne.

And this was probably the most agenda-free story of the season.

I'm reminded of an anecdote I once read a long time ago, about how during the rehearsals for "Mindwarp", Colin Baker actually stopped in mid-performance and pointedly asked the director what the <bleep> the story was actually about.  Jodie Whittaker should at some point have done the same for this story.

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« Reply #78 on: 23 December 2018, 23:12:55 »
Is there any given reason why they moved the special from Xmas to New Years day?

The official announcement didn't offer anything specific:

https://www.doctorwho.tv/news/?article=doctor-who-festive-special-to-air-on-new-years-day/#_

Without any more detail than that, it just sounds like change for change's sake.

To UK readers:  Is there some big Christmas Day to-do on BBC this year that's pre-empt the Who Christmas special?

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So, now I'm imagining people boxing up Overlords for loading as cargo.  "Nope, totally not a DropShip.  Everyone knows you can't fit a DropShip in a WarShip!  It's...a ten thousand ton box of marshmallows!  Yeah.  For the Heavy Guards big annual smores party."
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« Reply #79 on: 25 December 2018, 02:00:49 »
  C:-)
  Ahem.  Folks, focusing on perceived agendas in the writing of a TV show — and revered as it is, at the end of the day Doctor Who is just a TV show — smacks uncomfortably of Rule #4 material.  It’s Christmas Day as I type this, and in that spirit, I suggest you move on from that particular tangent.  Please, don’t make me spend tonight writing warnings.
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« Reply #80 on: 27 December 2018, 02:24:15 »
Sure, OK.

Remember people if you have any input on the social engineering content, or lack thereof, in new Doctor Who please PM me and tell me your views.  I am interested in hearing perspectives for my social observation of state media, private discussion doesn't violate forum rules.

Just dont express it in this thread.
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« Reply #81 on: 27 December 2018, 21:35:08 »
I'm still way behind this season (last episode my wife and I watched involved the Fez ;)), but I wanted to comment on this episode.

Well, another episode with socio-political overtones that make commenting here difficult.

True 'nuff, given this is kind of current politics, even this many years later.

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I will say:
--is this the first time since "Father's Day" that we've had an episode that delved so deeply into a particular companion's past?  (Indeed, before Yaz was even born...)

I believe so.

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--the Vajarians seem to do basically the same sort of work as Testimony.  And their appearance effect looked a lot like Apparating in the Harry Potter films.

I gotta say, I liked them.  They're like a non-awful version of the Soul Hunters from Babylon 5, too.

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--I was looking at pictures of ancient Indian art and sculptures today, to see if there wasn't something in old Indian mythology that resembles the Vajarians i.e. some kind of spirit that appears as a harbinger of impending death.

Hadn't even thought to do that.  I suspect that would've been seen as a potential negative if they had done something like that, though.  Better to go completely made up and fantastical.

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--I'm glad the writer decided not to go the wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey route with Yaz's grandmother having met her e.g. dropping some comment right at the end about "I knew someone who looked so much like you when I was still in India..." etc.

Honestly, I'd kind of hoping she'd either recognized the henna on Yaz's hand, or comment on the watch afterwards.  Not so much that she'd realize that Yaz had become a time traveller, but that she'd known all along that Yaz would end up a time traveler, why she gave her the watch in the first place, and why she didn't want to talk about its significance until Yaz actually went back in time.

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--I really wonder whether the story isn't in some sense autobiographical for the scriptwriter, inspired by events in his/her own family's past.  It's also not hard to imagine that it's meant as a commentary on the current situation in India.

cheers,

Gabe


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Re: Doctor Who: Where did I leave the Tardis?
« Reply #82 on: 28 December 2018, 07:54:10 »
I miss the cosmic epic stuff type stories in the past. I know the writing staff maybe new this sort of story telling, but there nothing to me so far that's on the Epic scale.  I've only gotten through half the episodes, need watch rest be for On-Demand pulls the down.   Social reflections have been part of the mythos of the Doctor Who universe, but i'd like see do something else for change with the season coming up. I'm at same episode, where Amazon-Galactic thing going on.
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Re: Doctor Who: Where did I leave the Tardis?
« Reply #83 on: 28 December 2018, 13:16:14 »
Y'all have real problems restraining yourselves. Remember, we don't talk about real-world political subjects. That means all the lovely cut-and-thrust instincts you have elsewhere *stays there even if you're not being a jerk about the discussion*. We've barred that as the official website for a game about imaginary robots. Period. Govern yourselves better than this.


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Re: Doctor Who: Where did I leave the Tardis?
« Reply #84 on: 30 December 2018, 06:01:53 »

edit: I'm unlocking so you can talk about Dr. Who again.

Thank you.

I miss the cosmic epic stuff type stories in the past. I know the writing staff maybe new this sort of story telling, but there nothing to me so far that's on the Epic scale.  I've only gotten through half the episodes, need watch rest be for On-Demand pulls the down.   Social reflections have been part of the mythos of the Doctor Who universe, but i'd like see do something else for change with the season coming up. I'm at same episode, where Amazon-Galactic thing going on.

For all the dirt that got thrown Moffat's way (sometimes actually deserved), I have the sense that most DW fans actually got used to his approach over the years, particularly the epic scale and the complex (often overly so) plots, at the expense of characterization**.  And that's what they came to expect and felt what was "right" for Doctor Who.  Chibnall's more softly-softly, character-driven approach is what doesn't sit right with a lot of these folks IMO, especially since the focus seems to be on development of the companions, rather than the villains or, unfortunately, the Doctor herself.

**again, I find myself agreeing with a Den of Geek writer who said that Amy and Clara never quite felt like real people (Moffat did somewhat better with Bill in this respect, IMO)

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Re: Doctor Who: Where did I leave the Tardis?
« Reply #85 on: 01 January 2019, 21:52:44 »
So, thoughts on the New Year's Special...I thought the new model Dalek was rather interesting myself...

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Re: Doctor Who: Where did I leave the Tardis?
« Reply #86 on: 01 January 2019, 22:02:58 »
I liked it. Trying to bring the scare factor back, as well as the Doctor having to rely on herself and companions/friends, rather than large organisations. And that battle was AWESOME.
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Re: Doctor Who: Where did I leave the Tardis?
« Reply #87 on: 03 January 2019, 12:19:03 »
So, thoughts on the New Year's Special...I thought the new model Dalek was rather interesting myself...

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I'd bet it's only a one-off just for this story.

cheers,

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Re: Doctor Who: Where did I leave the Tardis?
« Reply #88 on: 03 January 2019, 13:58:03 »
I'd bet it's only a one-off just for this story.

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Re: Doctor Who: Where did I leave the Tardis?
« Reply #89 on: 03 January 2019, 14:13:06 »
I liked it as well.  And I liked the Dalek's reaction to the Doctor upon meeting her for the first time.  Though something about that reminded me of when the Doctor met Missy.


Also, am I the only one that thought of "Spaceballs" when the Dalek knocked the guard out and used his hand for the hand scanner? ;D
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