Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread IV - READ THE FIRST POST

[Daryk]

Rog, thanks... out!

[wildkadabra]

The Hanseatic Crusade Campaign book lists the Executioner in the Scorpion Empire's RAT table, however they do not have Executioner available in their MUL for Dark Age or ilClan era. Not sure if this is intentional or a slip off so I figured out I should point it out just in case. As both a Bear and a Scorpion fan I'd love for Scorps to have Execs like they do in the Hanseatic Crusade, it's old enough that it would make sense for them to still have some.

[CarcosanDawn]

Another one about the AC/10 Vedette - is the 1/1/1 damage profile on the AS card actually correct for a tank with an AC/10 and an MG?

Additionally, the Behemoth is on the FWL RAT tables extensively in the House Arano handbook (The Aurigan Coalition) and the Condor is as well (though rarer probability than the Behemoth).

Recommend making both vehicles available to the FWL faction in the MUL based on this RAT (in the Late Secession War - Renaissance era).

[Grizzly]

Was the WSP-3L's PV adjusted when the damage profile was corrected downward based on single heat sinks not doubles?

[Lanceman]

Looking at the record sheets and the conversion reports in MegaMekLab, I think both versions of the Koryu (http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1819/koryu-submarine-military, http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1818/koryu-submarine-civilian) should have a single point of armor on their Alpha Strike cards instead of none.

[Sartris]

It has BAR 3 armor.

26 * .3 = 7.8, which is less than 15 and so rounds normally to 0.

[Lanceman]

Just saw the reply to the rules question too.

Thanks Sartris!

[Lorcan Nagle]

The RCL-1M Dig King MiningMech Mod (http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/7172/dig-king-rcl-1m-miningmech-mod) has the following special abilities:

AFC,ENE,ENG,FC,MEL,SRM1/1

Given it has ammo aboard (hence the SRM special ability), it can't have the ENE ability.  Presumably that should be EE, and then FC should be deleted, or ENE should be deleted

[CarcosanDawn]

Should the Soarece Supherheavy Tank have the LG special rule? That affects all kinds of things, so I am simply not sure - I can see an argument either way (LG makes it quite big indeed!)

[nckestrel]

Should the Soarece Supherheavy Tank have the LG special rule? That affects all kinds of things, so I am simply not sure - I can see an argument either way (LG makes it quite big indeed!)

No, superheavy vehicles do not get LG.

[CarcosanDawn]

Thank you kindly!

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

BNC-12S Banshee is listed as Tech Base: Inner Sphere.  It should be Mixed.

[Empyrus]

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6729/gray-death-strike-suit-harjel-sqd4

Is listed as IS Techbase even though it probably should be mixed.

The reason being that BattleArmor HarJel appears to be functionally equivalent to Clan chassis.
Furthermore, looking at the suit's record sheet in RS3145NTNU, the Firedrake and Light TAG are marked with (IS), which seems to indicate the suit and rest of equipment is Clan (since record sheets usually mark equipment that isn't from the baseline techbase).

(Also suspect the unit in MML is incorrect, being wholly IS)

[lancylot]

Should the Goliath Scorpions have access to the Crimson Langur? TRO 3067 has them as one of four clans confirmed to have fielded it (p. 116), and Camo Specs has two Langurs in different Scorpion galaxies. The Scorpions also Absorbed two sets of Fire Mandrills in 3073 (Wars of Reaving, p. 127, 129), and they seem largely allied to the two clans that built it through the Reaving.

(I asked something similar in another thread so apologies if this isn’t right here either).

[Sartris]

The text refers to a single example in the possession of the Scorpions, which is not sufficient for inclusion. If text points to post-absorption possession, we will be happy to take it into consideration. As it stands, there is no evidence that the Scorpions had it in any real numbers at any point.

[Sartris]

http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6729/gray-death-strike-suit-harjel-sqd4

Is listed as IS Techbase even though it probably should be mixed.

The reason being that BattleArmor HarJel appears to be functionally equivalent to Clan chassis.
Furthermore, looking at the suit's record sheet in RS3145NTNU, the Firedrake and Light TAG are marked with (IS), which seems to indicate the suit and rest of equipment is Clan (since record sheets usually mark equipment that isn't from the baseline techbase).

(Also suspect the unit in MML is incorrect, being wholly IS)

Harjel is clan-only, yeah. Will change

BNC-12S Banshee is listed as Tech Base: Inner Sphere.  It should be Mixed.

Correct

[paladin2019]

LAM Availability

During the Late Succession Wars, ELH had multiple units of LAMs, per The Mercenary's Handbook ORBATs, yet Pixies and Stingers are only ComStar, IS General, and Wolf's Dragoons in that era. As of the Clan Invasion, they become WoB only. Wasp LAMs are defined as extinct after the Early Succession Wars.

[jeremylt]

The MUL doesn't list WoB as having access to Protomechs. However, WoB is known as the only Inner Sphere users of Protomechs. BattleTech Interstellar Operations Alternate Eras lists WoB as the only users of the Inner Sphere Protomech Interface. BattleTech Necromo Nightmare lists the WoB as having access to the Erinyes, Orc, Satyr, Chrysaor, Hydra, Roc, Gorgon, and Minotaur.

Can we get these Protomechs added to the WoB availability for the Jihad?

On one hand, the program was in limited numbers. On the other hand, their Protomech program is supposed to be a big step in their VDNI tech.

[Sartris]

LAM Availability

During the Late Succession Wars, ELH had multiple units of LAMs, per The Mercenary's Handbook ORBATs, yet Pixies and Stingers are only ComStar, IS General, and Wolf's Dragoons in that era. As of the Clan Invasion, they become WoB only. Wasp LAMs are defined as extinct after the Early Succession Wars.

We usually don’t add merc availability based on one outfit having them. However, TRO 3085 does state in the Phoenix Hawk LAM entry that healthy numbets of LAMs were attached to some SLDF regiments. Many of these regiments became mercs after Exodus. We’ll extend availability to Mercs up to the clan invasion. After that they become very rare outside of WoB hands. They’re all gone by 3081 (pour one out for Gibson)

[Sartris]

The MUL doesn't list WoB as having access to Protomechs. However, WoB is known as the only Inner Sphere users of Protomechs. BattleTech Interstellar Operations Alternate Eras lists WoB as the only users of the Inner Sphere Protomech Interface. BattleTech Necromo Nightmare lists the WoB as having access to the Erinyes, Orc, Satyr, Chrysaor, Hydra, Roc, Gorgon, and Minotaur.

Can we get these Protomechs added to the WoB availability for the Jihad?

On one hand, the program was in limited numbers. On the other hand, their Protomech program is supposed to be a big step in their VDNI tech.

No reports exist of them operating anywhere except on Necromo (allegedly. maybe.)

[paladin2019]

No reports exist of them operating anywhere except on Necromo (allegedly. maybe.)

Clanners running false flag score-settling ops? Say it ain't so!

[HABeas2]

The MUL doesn't list WoB as having access to Protomechs. However, WoB is known as the only Inner Sphere users of Protomechs. BattleTech Interstellar Operations Alternate Eras lists WoB as the only users of the Inner Sphere Protomech Interface. BattleTech Necromo Nightmare lists the WoB as having access to the Erinyes, Orc, Satyr, Chrysaor, Hydra, Roc, Gorgon, and Minotaur.

Can we get these Protomechs added to the WoB availability for the Jihad?

On one hand, the program was in limited numbers. On the other hand, their Protomech program is supposed to be a big step in their VDNI tech.

Those Protos were captures that had been experimentally modified; they were never intended to represent solid WoB access to such machines.

- Herb

[Nerroth]

Is there a particular MUL faction listing that would be advised for use with the Green Ghosts, as they are detailed on pages 92 to 94 of the Interstellar Expeditions sourcebook?

Indeed, would there be a difference in terms of which MUL listing would be appropriate for the post-3080 "blood disk" Ghosts, as opposed to the "standard" incarnation of this elusive unit?

Or are those the kind of questions that cannot be answered until - or unless - more data is published on this faction in a future publication?

[Sartris]

We only have covered and uncovered factions. Groups that fall into the latter category are left to people's imagination.

[FlyingScoots]

Kit Fox C lists 3050 as its availability year, but still pops up as available in Late Succession War LosTech, at least for Clan Diamond Shark: http://masterunitlist.info/Era/FactionEraDetails?FactionId=8&EraId=255

[Sartris]

It should not have anything previous to 3050. Attempts at time travel have been halted.

Thanks

[CReller]

Gauntlet Omnimech is listed as being available in the Early Republic era (3081 - 3101). However, it was not introduced until 3128, at the tail end of the Late Republic Era.

Solution: Remove Early Republic availability for the Gauntlet.

[CarcosanDawn]

Cyclops CP-10-Z has AC 1/1/- listed, despite having an AC20 with four tons of ammo. I haven't done the math on the Overheat yet, either (sorry!). OV2 seems like a lot off the top of my head...

EDIT: heat looks right, just the AC question then

[nckestrel]

Cyclops CP-10-Z has AC 1/1/- listed, despite having an AC20 with four tons of ammo. I haven't done the math on the Overheat yet, either (sorry!). OV2 seems like a lot off the top of my head...

EDIT: heat looks right, just the AC question then

heat affects the AC values.

[CarcosanDawn]

Thanks! I don't know where the current onversion rules are so I am probably talking out of turn. Sorry!