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Re: WoB vs The Society
« Reply #30 on: 13 December 2017, 08:47:50 »
This Topic is old but i read it first today and wanna post too  }:)

I think ``The Society Cabal´´ is strong because of the smart scientists  who ruled them and te warriors are 100% Fanatics.
( WoB have Fanatics too, sure ... and some commanders are very smart to but not so many in numbers )

Both Factions are bad ass for sure, but the ``The Society Cabal´´ is smaller than the ``Word of Blake´´ in forces this is important,
both are ruthless to use any methode to destroy an oponent and they have a lot stuff for this to made trouble even in small numbers
( MY Personal Meanling: so long they have enought Units for a BT Game letzt jump in it and find out ;D )

But i think WoB would try to Overwelm them but The Society is hide in the Clans.
And i think WoB should win this Question becaus of The Society don't wanna find out who is stronger.
(Note i would play The Society Cabal and try to win)

1st Question: is When would they fight (because the jear made the diference how many of them is distroyed and active) ?
2nd Question: is what Unit we should use ?
3rd Question: what kind of ABC weapons they use and how many ?

4th and most important Question: What Miniaturs we have to use them for a CBT Game
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Re: WoB vs The Society
« Reply #31 on: 26 December 2017, 14:48:40 »
The Society is a rational concept badly executed (sic).  Nerdy revolt is the logical consequence of a socialist doctrinarian caste system that represses the intelligentsia.

However the goals of the Society should have been limited to liberation and flight, not hegemony.  They certainly had the capability and resource to flee, and they should have, most likely would have looked at how to build a secssionist culture away from the clans, both in terms of location and doctine, rather than look at ways to get one over on the warrior caste.

In fact The Society only needs a hidden planet or two s staging areas, leave the clans alone and systemically evacuate those intellectuals who had had enough of warrior caste rule and want to quit to th staging areas.  Travel along the Freedom Road from that point on is strictly one way with exception of the ship crews operating the Road.

Scientist caste members would probably rather enjoy a working attempt at isolated Utopianism.  People could run into what results later, one way or another.

If Kael Pershaw was not so good at his job, it could be possible this is what actually happened.

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Re: WoB vs The Society
« Reply #32 on: 26 December 2017, 16:01:04 »
True Machina Domini genetically designed  to interface with Protomechs.

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Re: WoB vs The Society
« Reply #33 on: 26 December 2017, 16:29:21 »
Just realised how old the thread is.
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Re: WoB vs The Society
« Reply #34 on: 04 January 2018, 18:36:22 »
WoB vs Society? That's really hard to say on a 1-on-1 level. Sure, the WoB have hyper-elite Manei Dominei suicide solders and the Society mostly uses drugged-up refurbished vat-born rejects with questionable morale, a lot of Society tech and tactics for nullifying Clan Warrior advantage would transfer pretty well to fighting Manei Dominei. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but the Nova CEWS would nullify c3i and Protomech Taser Armor would do a number to any WoB soldier's cyborg bits  >:D 

On a total force on force basis, while I have no doubt the Society could cause a lot of harm in the way of computer viruses and the like, the Society just doesn't have the numbers or the industrial capacity (that we know of) for a sustained fight. The Society isn't one for symmetric warfare, and that doesn't translate to a table top boardgame like this one very well.
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Re: WoB vs The Society
« Reply #35 on: 07 January 2018, 13:24:56 »

If the Toasters deploy nukes before the Society deploys HPG warship viruses and DNA-targeted human viruses, then the Toasters win.

If the Society deploys HPG warship viruses and DNA-targeted human viruses before the Toasters deploy nukes, then the Society wins.

If neither side deploys their WMDs, then the Society wins.  Nova CEWS negates C3i.  iATM EMP warheads and EMP armor fry MD cyborgs.  iATM inferno warheads and plasma cannons will strengthen the disparity between Clantech and Spheroidtech heat dissipation.  And the Society already enjoys the advantages of Clantech range, damage, accuracy, speed, armor types, and weight/volume efficiency over Spheroidtech.

The only way the Society loses without WMDs is if they try to take over the Inner Sphere, in which case the long-standing issue of small Clan numbers versus large Spheroid numbers dominates.

But short of a massive surprise nuclear strike, the Society could fend off a Toaster assault on the Homeworlds, perhaps easily.

I kind of wish the Society had won the WoR and there was a stronger Toaster presence in exile focused on taking the fight to the Homeworlds.  Even if the outcome is rather preordained, it would have been a good and different kind of BT showdown.

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Re: WoB vs The Society
« Reply #36 on: 09 January 2018, 04:07:49 »
I haven't gone digging in aerospace combat, but is there any means to defeat Erinyes asteroid bombardment assuming the target was aware of the asteroid approach?

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Re: WoB vs The Society
« Reply #37 on: 09 January 2018, 05:38:24 »
Just realized that a WoB vs Society fight would feature Erinyes vs Erinyes (protomech). Maybe that's what TPTB were afraid of?
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Re: WoB vs The Society
« Reply #38 on: 12 January 2018, 19:50:16 »
If the Society deploys HPG warship viruses and DNA-targeted human viruses before the Toasters deploy nukes, then the Society wins.

I thought the Society was able to do this because they already had programs in the various Warship HPG programs, and access to the warrior caste mitochondrial DNA?  Did they have something like this set up for the WoB also?

If neither side deploys their WMDs, then the Society wins.  Nova CEWS negates C3i.  iATM EMP warheads and EMP armor fry MD cyborgs.  iATM inferno warheads and plasma cannons will strengthen the disparity between Clantech and Spheroidtech heat dissipation.  And the Society already enjoys the advantages of Clantech range, damage, accuracy, speed, armor types, and weight/volume efficiency over Spheroidtech.

And if they fought, it would be Mech force vs Mech force, and Clan Warriors might smirk that the Society finally learned how to fight properly (getting in a combat platform and fighting).

As for Erinyes vs Erinyes, well, there is something about throwing the first stone that comes to mind.

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Re: WoB vs The Society
« Reply #39 on: 12 January 2018, 22:00:30 »
I thought the Society was able to do this because they already had programs in the various Warship HPG programs, and access to the warrior caste mitochondrial DNA?  Did they have something like this set up for the WoB also?

No.  Even if the Society was faintly aware of the Jihad and Toasters, they would have no reason to believe that the Toasters are coming for the Homeworlds.  (Maybe if the Society took over the Homeworlds during the WoR and erected a much better intelligence operation than the Clan Watch some decades later.  But not during the WoR/Jihad.)

That said, I think we could handwave two things if the Society knew the Toasters were coming for the Homeworlds:

1) With limited exceptions, Clan and Toaster warships are both old SLDF models.  Presumably there is some old, core SLDF operating system common to both that the Society could attack with computer viruses.

2) The Society created viruses that could wipe out trueborn individuals, blood heritages, and entire warrior phenotypes.  Most clanners, including Society members and other civvies, probably have some trueborn DNA after a couple centuries of warrior test-downs into and reproduction with lower castes.  Presumably the Society could create DNA-targeted viruses that leave anyone with a certain percentage of trueborn/warrior phenotype DNA alone (i.e., most or nearly all Clanners) but target those without that DNA (i.e., nearly all Spheroids).

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And if they fought, it would be Mech force vs Mech force,

Actually, both forces made heavy use of combined arms, so I think we'd see lots of tankers, infantry, etc. too.

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As for Erinyes vs Erinyes, well, there is something about throwing the first stone that comes to mind.

Because there were only one or two of these ships, they're really only good for cleanup in the Homeworlds.  The Blakies would want to use their Q-ships to launch lots of nukes against the Homeworlds first.  The Toaster warships, Erinyes, and/or Shadow Divisions are only large enough in number (especially after the Jihad) for escorting the nukes and eliminating weakened survivors.

But as the Regulans have shown, you can make a lot of nuke warheads and convert a lot of Mules to deliver them in fairly short order.

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"Slavish adherence to formal ritual is a sign that one has nothing better to think about."
"Variety is the spice of battle."
"I've fought in... what... a hundred battles, a thousand battles?  It could be a million as far as I know.  I've fought for anybody who offered a decent contract and a couple who didn't.  And the universe is not much different after all that.  I could go on fighting for another hundred years and it would still look the same."
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