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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #90 on: 19 November 2012, 15:12:22 »
As the Osts are no longer unseen at all (refer to current rule 8), I doubt they'd ever make that list.
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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #91 on: 19 November 2012, 15:27:06 »
As the Osts are no longer unseen at all (refer to current rule 8), I doubt they'd ever make that list.

Maybe they'll get done anyway, just for those that can't stand looking at them? :)
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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #92 on: 19 November 2012, 15:29:28 »
Crusader, the Osts, Goliath, and Scorpion.

Doh, forgot those.

How much do you bet we'll have side/pre seens for all of them by the end of the primitive and succession war XTRO series?

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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #93 on: 19 November 2012, 15:49:32 »
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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #94 on: 19 November 2012, 15:49:51 »
Zeus - oddball really not what I expected (not really interesting at all)

It is the oddball in being by far the most conventional, and by extension, serviceable unit in the XTRO. I think I may like it the most.
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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #95 on: 19 November 2012, 16:02:37 »
Those Super-Wasps are getting used. Right now.
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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #96 on: 19 November 2012, 16:03:44 »
Crusader, the Osts, Goliath, and Scorpion.

 I really liked the unseen ostroc, the Ostsol was a far better mech but much uglier.i vote go back to the unseen Ostroc mini and do a totally new Ostsol mini.
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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #97 on: 19 November 2012, 16:26:28 »
Correct. Except Historical: War of 3039 was first, not last.
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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #98 on: 19 November 2012, 16:39:40 »
OK, I have read it through now, so time for some reactions:

First off, I had low expectations, but the quality of this release is good.
The writing is OK, but it could have used some more writers comments in some of the entries to give a bit more character to the product.
I am also glad to see that it is indeed a Marauder.

As for the individual designs:
- Flea: It really illustrates why the concept of ultra-lights never really hit off.

- Super Wasp: Why did they not follow up this project? It is one of the most mature and ready for major manufacturing of all the designs.

- Super Griffin: Why this one was abandoned is on the other hand very clear.

- Cataphract: It needs a Marauder-type right arm. Also, the entry raises even more questions. What was the fate of these units? Why was they not noticed in the 4th SW. Why was they not manufactured on Grand Base, or was they? The defense of Grand Base during the Andurien invasion might have involved these.

- Marauder: The blazer fans will drool over this one. First off, it is better looking than any reseen Marauders. Still, I feel that it looks too small, more like a light than a heavy. I also like it being the predecessor of the 9M. What I do not understand is how Ronin Inc managed to get their hands on FedSun Freezers?

- Zeus: Honestly, I prefer this one over the 6S.

- Kiso: A very good idea.

- J. Edgar: *Facepalm* Well, at least we have an unit that uses the Light Rifle now.

- Kestrel: This one is a great scout helo.

- Condor: It confused me a lot until I realized that all the Condors in RS3039 uses ICE engines. I somehow first got the impression that it was a down-grade from a fusion engine model, until on re-read I saw that I had misunderstood the text.

- Buffalo: The old jokes about the destructive power of MG ammo has finally been turned into canon use.

- Soarece: A White Elephant, and the fact that the Ontos was a upgrade says much. "Limited Amphibious" - water isolate it, and drive across the river bottom - it the only possible way to get across rivers. Maus indeed.

- Starfire: You are better off with Sparrowhawks and Corsairs.

- Tsuru: Interesting.


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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #99 on: 19 November 2012, 16:43:31 »
Damn, I want to download this so bad right now, but I have not the credit card to do so, and I can't pick up a prepaid any time soon either.
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« Reply #100 on: 19 November 2012, 16:47:54 »
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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #101 on: 19 November 2012, 16:50:00 »
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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #102 on: 19 November 2012, 17:04:04 »
I predict that this series will have four volumes.

I doubt the Clan's be covered unless we get a succession wars volume dealing with them

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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #103 on: 19 November 2012, 17:38:41 »
Only thing I can think of that might be experimental for the Clans would be the Enhanced ER PPC. Or more variants that were built during Klondike. When they went full-ClanTech, they didn't do much more R&D... Well, perhaps maybe a few early Scientist ideas that never made it to production (at least until the Society...).

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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #104 on: 19 November 2012, 17:39:20 »
Okay, Opinion Time after first read-through:

FLE-14 Flea: YESS! This is the original old Flea from BattleTechnology (with corrected armor, as the original one had too many armor points allocated). Very very glad to see another BattleTech unit back in canon, and another ultralight at that. They may be largely irrelevant on the gameboard, but for fluff lovers like me this is pure gold! Thanks CGL!  O0
(I note, somewhat belatedly, that the laser was moved from the torso to the arm. Why?)

WSP-2A-X Super Wasp: Umm... wrong. Feels wrong. I want that glorious 8/12/6 Wasp from TotBW back! See, this design isn't bad, it's even interesting. Kudos to the author for coming up with the supercharger idea. But... this is a total retcon from the earlier stats. The "original" Super Wasp was almost legit - all it lacked was Endo Steel. Couldn't we just get one hand-built sample of Endo Steel to save the original design? Would have been a minimal change, and I had high hopes to see that 'Mech resurface at some point in the future.  :'(

GRF-2N-X Super Griffin: Perfect. The original specs were made under Battledroids rules and a total trainwreck. Prototype IJJs do the trick, and the queer (illegal) armor allocation was also fixed. They did everything right here!

CTF-0X Cataphract: Nice idea. But OOC it's interesting to see how the Raven's ECM evolves from a standoff artillery spotting/identification device, to be used from the rear and deployed on the battalion level, to a generic ECM testbed, to in-your-face electronics that never made sense to mount on a light 'Mech in the first place. There's a creeping retcon going on here, but looking at today's stats for the EW Equipment this Cataphract is exactly what the CapCon should have built.
(Oh, and when you look at ye olde BattleTechnology magazine, early photos of the Cataphract make it look like a mutated Ost-Mech. That's another aspect that was gradually retconned away.)
Btw, in case you wondered what happened with the 'Mechs: Even in the 4th SW the EW Equipment was in its prototype stages and not ready for deployment yet. We have a canonical example of a Raven being lost because the EW Equipment, when turned on, simply fried the pilot's brain (BattleCorps story Salvage). No wonder those CTFs weren't heard from again.

MAD-4X Marauder: I like LOVE Blazers. But let's just say the MAD isn't the chassis where I'd put them. SRMs on a MAD also feel odd. This one definitely is a queer design, but it'd be interesting to see how it performs on the gameboard.

ZEU-6Y Zeus: Heh. Like who we're told here that ComStar lied and Blazer-wielding Zeus's actually entered line service, though they were largely overlooked.

K-3N-KRHQ Kiso: Odd critter. Talk about fielding a gun turret in a pickup game - at 2/3 movement, it's a stillborn design. I'm not touching this thing. Ever. Nor can I see it working as a "mobile" HQ. Foot infantry can run this thing down. The fluff doesn't make much sense when you consider the speed. No sane person would put a command staff on this vehicle.

J. Edgar - Squee! Fuel cells in the Succession Wars era! Mentioned only to be killed again though.

Kestrel - Never liked VTOLs, they don't usually make for funny BT games. This particular one gives me the shrugs. I guess it's interesting if you care for Wolf's Dragoons.

Condor - hobbled with a fission engine. This one has character.  ;D Good old days of Capellan gross incompetence.

Buffalo drone - don't know what to say. Hi.

Şoarece - Another 2/3 mover. Hello, my name is Target. This one has a continuity error in its fluff, the Romanian-speaking techs. According to a sidebar in the old Marik Housebook (p. 10), Romanian was a dead language, lost as a living tongue by ca. 2370 - five hundred years before this tank was designed and named.

Starfire - Not terribly impressed.

Tsuru - nice to have as a fluff/background craft. Could make an appearance as a scenario objective. Unfortunately, it's fluff marks it as a pretty recent design, limiting its usefulness for earlier Succession Wars scenarios. But it can be used as a generic template.

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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #105 on: 19 November 2012, 18:02:38 »
Şoarece - Another 2/3 mover. Hello, my name is Target. This one has a continuity error in its fluff, the Romanian-speaking techs. According to a sidebar in the old Marik Housebook (p. 10), Romanian was a dead language, lost as a living tongue by ca. 2370 - five hundred years before this tank was designed and named.

Oddly enough I caught the same mistake in another book not too long ago, yet somehow missed it in this one.
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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #106 on: 19 November 2012, 18:05:14 »
Heh. Like who we're told here that ComStar lied and Blazer-wielding Zeus's actually entered line service, though they were largely overlooked.

I know its in vogue to go that route, but it smacks of the change between the tech levels seen in the Blood of Kerensky novels and later source books with regards the Clan Invasion if we start seeing even Succession Wars era experimental tech on levels higher production volumes unlike the one-off Super Wasp/Griffins. Perhaps for certain 'Mechs easier to opt for the Flea style desperation revival of mothballs designs.

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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #107 on: 19 November 2012, 18:23:39 »
I know its in vogue to go that route, but it smacks of the change between the tech levels seen in the Blood of Kerensky novels and later source books with regards the Clan Invasion if we start seeing even Succession Wars era experimental tech on levels higher production volumes unlike the one-off Super Wasp/Griffins. Perhaps for certain 'Mechs easier to opt for the Flea style desperation revival of mothballs designs.

A few things:

 - the Zeus was a common chassis, still in production, built at the finest mech factory in the Inner Sphere outside of Terra.
 - the Blazer Rifle was tech so bad it was rejected from the Succession Wars.  It was chosen because of the well-known desire for the Zeus to mount a larger weapon, which Defiance had wanted since the Zeus had debuted (as stated in TR 3025), and would eventually manage in 3025 or so with the -6T.
 - The changes to the Zeus actually made it simpler to build and maintain, outside of the myomer flaws (since it tossed the high-tech large laser and the troublesome LRM-15).

There is no retcon here - the -6Y was a love letter to the TR 3025 fluff.

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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #108 on: 19 November 2012, 18:48:16 »
Oddly enough I caught the same mistake in another book not too long ago, yet somehow missed it in this one.

Eh.  Total Warfare lists it as a dominant language in the Free Worlds League.  Comstar's been wrong before.  ;D  Maybe there was a spirited revival like for Welsh?

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« Reply #109 on: 19 November 2012, 18:53:53 »
Eh.  Total Warfare lists it as a dominant language in the Free Worlds League.  Comstar's been wrong before.  ;D  Maybe there was a spirited revival like for Welsh?

That's exactly what happened - it was dead, but then there was a revival.  Unfortunately the revival happened long after the unit in question was built.

It's easily chalked up to an overly clever tech nerd who also happened to have taught himself a dead language, though.  Nobles used to do it with ancient Greek all the time.
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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #110 on: 19 November 2012, 19:07:56 »
The Original Super Wasp didn't use Endo (It' hadn't been invented yet) but rather a custom skeleton that weighted half as much, my guess is that TPTB didn't want to go either of those routes so they came up with something different

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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #111 on: 19 November 2012, 19:09:40 »
I was thinking about conversational Latin enthusiasts, myself.  I mean, who doesn't love an Eastern European Romance language?  I know I do!

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« Reply #112 on: 19 November 2012, 19:36:24 »
I wish IWM still had Mech funding going, because all my efforts would be thrown into the Super Griffin and that Marauder.  [drool]
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« Reply #113 on: 19 November 2012, 20:00:15 »
I would point out the Clans and certain unit names that by rights would get rejected because they don't even fit on a Scrabble board, let alone be naturally pronounceable by the Russlish-inspired monotongue of the Clans.  If they can make up names in languages that they don't speak, so can anyone else.
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« Reply #114 on: 19 November 2012, 20:51:37 »
As long as only Blakists get to use Welsh... #P
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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #115 on: 19 November 2012, 20:56:10 »
Cool book for Succession Wars games.
But, didn't see rules or fluff for UAC/5 ( Prototype ) or Endo Steel ( Prototype ) in the rules section of the book. Were they forgotten or addressed in another publication?
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« Reply #116 on: 19 November 2012, 20:59:55 »
The UAC/5 and Endo-Steel existed in the Star League, so I don't think there'd necessarily need to be prototype versions.

...Unless of course the UACs we have now turn out to be the prototypes, in which case I would be very happy.
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« Reply #117 on: 19 November 2012, 21:12:58 »
What's Scrabble got to do with this?

Prototype UAC-5 and Endo should be in TRO:3039, it has prototype rules for other SL goodies as the SS try to redevelop them (I think it's 3039 anyway)

Prototype in this case would mean a SS trying to rediscover SL level tech

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« Reply #118 on: 19 November 2012, 21:21:03 »
What's Scrabble got to do with this?

Prototype UAC-5 and Endo should be in TRO:3039, it has prototype rules for other SL goodies as the SS try to redevelop them (I think it's 3039 anyway)

Prototype in this case would mean a SS trying to rediscover SL level tech

TR 3039 does not have any prototype equipment.  Starterbook: Sword and Dragon has those.
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Re: XTRO Succession wars 1
« Reply #119 on: 19 November 2012, 21:22:15 »
Why I ask is this. The record sheet for the MAD-4X has 16 slots for Prototype Endo Steel. And according to TM 3025 : Succession Wars the UAC/5 as mounted on the Sentinal went out of production in 3005.
When I see the SF-1X Starfire is equipped with UAC/5 ( Prototype ), I have to ask ; is this a new weapon or the resumption of production of an older weapon ?