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Cannot find on the MUL
« on: 05 January 2018, 00:27:53 »
Trying to find field gun or infantry artillery available on the MUL and I do not see it at all.  Looking specifically for the Jihad timeframe for a game coming up.

The closest I did see was 'Mechanized Field Artillery 71st Mechanized, Field Artillery, 2nd Sword of Light' which is listed as TRO3085.  It has the Sniper & a AC though it does not give ammo count on that AC.  I was looking for the mix of arty types- Thumper, Sniper & A4 is possible.
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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #1 on: 05 January 2018, 00:55:37 »
Trying to find field gun or infantry artillery available on the MUL and I do not see it at all.  Looking specifically for the Jihad timeframe for a game coming up.

The closest I did see was 'Mechanized Field Artillery 71st Mechanized, Field Artillery, 2nd Sword of Light' which is listed as TRO3085.  It has the Sniper & a AC though it does not give ammo count on that AC.  I was looking for the mix of arty types- Thumper, Sniper & A4 is possible.

Could be wrong, but I believe those are the only two infantry units with Field Artillery that have actual record sheets. I'm afraid if you want different ones you'll have to use TechManual and Tactical Operations to construct your own. (And from my recollection Field artillery only get 1 ton of ammo, but I could just be thinking of the Field Guns.)

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« Reply #2 on: 05 January 2018, 04:50:23 »
There's a TC platoon with 6 LAC/5's, a CC one with an Arrow 4 and that DCMS one, all have only a single ton of ammo, so 20 rounds for the TC and DCMS, 5 for the CC

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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #3 on: 05 January 2018, 10:52:13 »
BF/AS don't use ammo, so the MUL isn't going to list any ammo counts on the AS cards.
Yeah, there's only two conventional infantry that have gotten Record Sheets so far, so that's the only ones on the MUL.

Thumper
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2131/mechanized-field-artillery-71st-mechanized-field-artillery-2nd-sword-of-light

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http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2190/missile-artillery-infantry-kommando-special-forces-fifth-mac

I did "sneak" a Motorized Sniper into the Combat Manual listings that is not on the MUL.  (p120 CM: Mercs, p116, CM: Kurita).
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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #4 on: 05 January 2018, 11:19:15 »
I looked up the 71st unit on MM, it says semi-portable autocannon but no ammo.
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« Reply #5 on: 05 January 2018, 14:23:12 »
The Semi-Portable Autocannon is the 71st's Support Weapon, asking how shots that comes with is the same as asking how many shots an SRM infantry platoon has.

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« Reply #6 on: 05 January 2018, 16:17:51 »
Just wanted to be sure since I usually let MM worry about that and they were equipped with rifles for the troops as well.
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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #7 on: 06 January 2018, 01:46:48 »
All platoons must have some rifles, more or less. There are no canon designs which have every trooper using a support weapon so some of them must be carrying another weapon

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« Reply #8 on: 06 January 2018, 13:35:13 »
There are no canon designs which have every trooper using a support weapon

Because this is strictly illegal.
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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #9 on: 06 January 2018, 13:48:50 »
Not strictly... At least not until they errata the M42B in the Infantry Tables (as I pointed out some time ago).

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« Reply #10 on: 06 January 2018, 14:08:20 »
Because this is strictly illegal.
No, if you pick a support weapon that has a crew requirement of one and then use two man squads you have a platoon where everyone has a support weapon, maximum platoon size is 20 men but.

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« Reply #11 on: 06 January 2018, 14:13:33 »
No, if you pick a support weapon that has a crew requirement of one and then use two man squads you have a platoon where everyone has a support weapon, maximum platoon size is 20 men but.

I think they added a minimum squad size as well?
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« Reply #12 on: 06 January 2018, 14:23:28 »
There's a maximum squad size but no minimum that I can see.

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« Reply #13 on: 06 January 2018, 14:29:49 »
There was an errata somewhere that imposed a 5-person minimum.  I'll link it once I find it.

And seriously, the M42B is listed under "standard" weapons with its Heavy Burst special, so technically you could arm everyone in a platoon with it.

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« Reply #14 on: 06 January 2018, 14:32:45 »
There's nothing technical about it. It's not a support weapon, so you can give it to all your troopers. Still can't have an all-support weapon platoon.
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« Reply #15 on: 06 January 2018, 14:36:54 »
Except that the M42B IS a support weapon, despite being listed incorrectly in the Standard list.  It has multiple modes, but the "standard" mode as described by AToW doesn't qualify for the Heavy Burst special (only the machine gun mode does).  The Infantry Tables v3.0 gives the Support Weapon quality to the Standard version.  Hence, why I said "technically".

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« Reply #16 on: 06 January 2018, 14:38:22 »
I'm confused. What book/errata tells us that it is a support weapon, aside from badass stats?
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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #17 on: 06 January 2018, 14:57:09 »
Weirdo: AToW page 273, and also page 266 (which says: "SEE SUPPORT WEAPONS"). The proper fix is to have three entries in the Infantry Tables, two in the Standard list for "Standard" and "Close-In" modes, and one in the Support Weapon section for "Light Machine Gun" mode.

SCC: I was mistaken... the limit Xotl mentioned here is for a maximum of 5 squads per platoon.  My wires were completely crossed.

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« Reply #18 on: 06 January 2018, 17:46:34 »
What were you told when you asked in the Rules Forum about this?
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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #19 on: 06 January 2018, 18:07:08 »
I posted it to errata some time ago, and have seen no movement.

EDIT: Found my original report from 2016.
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« Reply #20 on: 06 January 2018, 18:36:53 »
Most errata comes from rules questions. Just saying.
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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #21 on: 06 January 2018, 18:37:49 »
So... we should spam the rules forum with errata report issues?  ???

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« Reply #22 on: 06 January 2018, 18:39:01 »
Cut and dried errata, no. This one doesn't look cut and dried at all. There are plenty of ways to resolve it.
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« Reply #23 on: 06 January 2018, 18:45:07 »
To the rules forum it is!  O0

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« Reply #24 on: 06 January 2018, 19:43:23 »
The concept that a weapon firing in one mode counts as a Standard weapon and another as a Support is ludicrous

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« Reply #25 on: 06 January 2018, 19:55:53 »
For once, we agree. I suspect the TW stats will be drawn from a single mode, and the other modes ignored for simplicity's sake
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« Reply #26 on: 06 January 2018, 22:13:44 »
What's really ludicrous is that the Standard mode will do more than the Support Weapon mode.  Full auto doesn't compare to adding the grenade launcher.

Of course, as it's currently written, you have a full on machine gun WITH an attached grenade launcher as a STANDARD weapon.   :P

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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #27 on: 07 January 2018, 03:36:15 »
No, if you pick a support weapon that has a crew requirement of one and then use two man squads you have a platoon where everyone has a support weapon, maximum platoon size is 20 men but.

You would be wrong.  Every squad must have a primary weapon.  Support weapons are not primary weapons, ergo, you cannot have a squad using only support weapons.
(seriously, we discussed this in the rules question forum)

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« Reply #28 on: 08 January 2018, 00:03:56 »
You would be wrong.  Every squad must have a primary weapon.  Support weapons are not primary weapons, ergo, you cannot have a squad using only support weapons.
OK, I'll give you that, but given that given that said primary weapon choice will have no impact on game stats and would likely not appear in a TRO entry on the unit I think we can treat it as having no primary weapon.

(seriously, we discussed this in the rules question forum)
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« Reply #29 on: 08 January 2018, 00:18:38 »
OK, I'll give you that, but given that given that said primary weapon choice will have no impact on game stats and would likely not appear in a TRO entry on the unit I think we can treat it as having no primary weapon.

Again.  No.  You cannot have a two-man squad with two support weapons.  Can.  Not.  The closest you can get would be 3-man squads.