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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #30 on: 08 January 2018, 01:26:30 »
So one other thing I noticed . . . the FS Jihad MUL entry is lacking the IS Std BA of any flavor.  While the FM3085 RAT has less instances of it than other major house lists, it IS on there . . . but not the MUL.
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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #31 on: 08 January 2018, 08:33:55 »
So one other thing I noticed . . . the FS Jihad MUL entry is lacking the IS Std BA of any flavor.  While the FM3085 RAT has less instances of it than other major house lists, it IS on there . . . but not the MUL.

The MUL lacking the FS available for IS Standard in the Jihad is based on TR3058U saying, in the IS Standard Battle Armor entry, "with the exception of House Davion, who has already shifted all production over to their Cavalier". Differences in opinion in how many were made prior to the FCCW, how many survived the FCCW, when did FS switch all production over, etc.
But the MUL was created before FM3085, so that should likely be changed now.
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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #32 on: 08 January 2018, 09:53:11 »
Well if we got a canon Cavalier (LRR) I would not care, but the suit does not have one of the better IS weapons available for older suits.
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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #33 on: 10 January 2018, 03:36:22 »
Again.  No.  You cannot have a two-man squad with two support weapons.  Can.  Not.  The closest you can get would be 3-man squads.
Can you give me a page number ref for this? Heck I'm pretty sure BA breaks this (Or can, but that doesn't really apply to CI)

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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #34 on: 10 January 2018, 05:09:20 »
Battle Armor have absolutely no bearing on conventional infantry squad construction.  It's like asking why infantry can't use Ferro-Lamellor armor.

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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #35 on: 10 January 2018, 09:56:55 »
No page reference is needed, this is basic logic. If you have a two-man squad and both troopers are carrying the same gun, that gun is by definition your primary weapon. Support weapons can never be primary weapons, therefore two-man squads with two support weapons are illegal.
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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #36 on: 10 January 2018, 15:20:05 »
Battle Armor have absolutely no bearing on conventional infantry squad construction.  It's like asking why infantry can't use Ferro-Lamellor armor.
Anti-Personal Weapon mounts.

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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #37 on: 10 January 2018, 15:28:52 »
Anti-Personal Weapon mounts.

Mobile HPGs.
K-F drives.

This is an incomplete list of things that have literally nothing to do with constructing a conventional infantry platoon.
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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #38 on: 10 January 2018, 15:35:18 »
Mobile HPGs.
K-F drives.

This is an incomplete list of things that have literally nothing to do with constructing a conventional infantry platoon.

Clearly you haven't seen the rules section for The ilClan then.
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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #39 on: 10 January 2018, 15:44:00 »
Mobile HPGs.
K-F drives.

This is an incomplete list of things that have literally nothing to do with constructing a conventional infantry platoon.
I'm surprised at your not getting what I'm referencing here Wierdo, the BA ability to anti-personal attacks, while the default is that they use the generic rifle platoon, I believe that they can use any config you desire, including a six-man set of Support Weapons.

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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #40 on: 10 January 2018, 15:46:26 »
While BattleArmor may use infantry weapons, they are not built like conventional infantry using primary weapon. In fact, they can and have been built without weapons.
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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #41 on: 10 January 2018, 16:05:41 »
I'm surprised at your not getting what I'm referencing here Wierdo, the BA ability to anti-personal attacks, while the default is that they use the generic rifle platoon, I believe that they can use any config you desire, including a six-man set of Support Weapons.

And that concerns conventional, not battle armor infantry construction....how?  Do note that Battle Armor construction rules are in a different section of Tech Manual.  Also note that BattleMech-scale weapons when mounted on Battle Armor do not always conform to the same construction rules as when mounted on a 'Mech.

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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #42 on: 10 January 2018, 16:13:41 »
I'm surprised at your not getting what I'm referencing here Wierdo, the BA ability to anti-personal attacks, while the default is that they use the generic rifle platoon, I believe that they can use any config you desire, including a six-man set of Support Weapons.

As Alex said, that still has nothing to do with constructing conventional infantry platoons, because conventional infantry platoons cannot mount them.

If we're derailing this thread to instead list things that conventional troops cannot use but can be used to hurt those troops, then K-F drives still belong on that list. After all, if a platoon of space-capable infantry are floating adjacent to a JumpShip when it jumps, they're going to Have A Bad Experience.
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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #43 on: 10 January 2018, 21:17:53 »
Ladies and gentlemen, knock it off and get back on topic.  In case you've lost track, the peculiarities of what particular unit types can or cannot mount wasn't the topic.

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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #44 on: 10 January 2018, 22:36:46 »
So earlier someone said that the IS Std BA would need to be added to the MUL . . . do I need to make a post somewhere as a reminder, or did the right type Battlemaster notice?
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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #45 on: 11 January 2018, 06:26:49 »
Someone brought up ammo and field weapons with infantry. For AS they may not track ammo but for TW games it is one ton per weapon. Field Guns can use rapid fire rules as well as different specialty ammo. They do not, however, explode. Field Artillery can also use any ammo a normal artillery unit can, though I would advise against a Davey Crocket at short range. The MUL has very few of either as well as others have discovered. Best to make them in MML and print the RS (which is getting an overhaul).

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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #46 on: 11 January 2018, 08:59:19 »
Could be wrong, but I believe those are the only two infantry units with Field Artillery that have actual record sheets. I'm afraid if you want different ones you'll have to use TechManual and Tactical Operations to construct your own. (And from my recollection Field artillery only get 1 ton of ammo, but I could just be thinking of the Field Guns.)

For future reference, TacOps page 311 says that both Field Guns and Field Artillery get one ton of ammunition.

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Ultra and Rotary Autocannon Field Guns are immune to jamming or fire control failure effects, and LB-X Autocannon Field Guns must always use cluster munitions. Gauss-based Field Guns are immune to weapon explosion effects.

However, where you can have multiple field guns, apparently you can only have one field artillery piece (emphasis mine):
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Re: Cannot find on the MUL
« Reply #47 on: 11 January 2018, 10:56:09 »
So earlier someone said that the IS Std BA would need to be added to the MUL . . . do I need to make a post somewhere as a reminder, or did the right type Battlemaster notice?

But it in the MUL thread (under the Errata forum).  Availability questions almost always take a discussion rather than any one person just changing it.
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