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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #780 on: 01 July 2018, 08:50:34 »
The main reason I think the Spanish option was better was because it shared like 80% parts commonality with their Hobart-class Destroyers, being based on the same basic hull and systems as it. That and unlike the other two finalist options, the Type 26 hasn't had a ship finished yet. Type 26 is risky... really risky. That and BAE "Budget Always Exceeded"

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #781 on: 01 July 2018, 08:57:35 »
The same contest for the US Navy FFGX program is going on. With the Type 26, the FREMM, and the Spanish FFG also. With the Freedom and the Independence LCS designs in the mix also.
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #782 on: 01 July 2018, 09:46:51 »
The same contest for the US Navy FFGX program is going on. With the Type 26, the FREMM, and the Spanish FFG also.
And in Germany for MKS180. Down to Type 26 vs an undisclosed Damen design. Wouldn't rate Type 26 as having much of a chance though.

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #783 on: 01 July 2018, 16:29:22 »
IIRC, the British armored their flight decks due to doctrine
The Brits needed enclosed hangars mainly due to North Sea conditions, the armour belt on top was relatively secondary decision that proved fortuitous as they could shrug off bomb and kamikaze hits.

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because we wanted to keep the large air groups of the Essex-class, we got into a spiral of increasing weight vs performance which led to increased size...
The "ideal" US carrier design had already been developed pre-WW2, but due to Washington Treaty tonnage limitations this would have resulted in an awkward 2.5 carriers. The USN opted for less tonnage and more hulls, yielding the Ranger design which massed about half the ideal displacement.

Thus Ranger was going to have 4 sister ships but had issues; the Yorktown design was better so 2 of those were built and then Wasp sort of cobbled together to fill up the remaining allowed tons.

Once the Treaty was done away with and war foreseeable, Hornet was built while the "ideal carrier" design finalised in the form of the Essex class.
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On that note, TIL Akagi originally had 3 flight decks

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #784 on: 01 July 2018, 18:40:15 »
The "ideal" US carrier design had already been developed pre-WW2, but due to Washington Treaty tonnage limitations this would have resulted in an awkward 2.5 carriers. The USN opted for less tonnage and more hulls, yielding the Ranger design which massed about half the ideal displacement.

Thus Ranger was going to have 4 sister ships but had issues; the Yorktown design was better so 2 of those were built and then Wasp sort of cobbled together to fill up the remaining allowed tons.

Once the Treaty was done away with and war foreseeable, Hornet was built while the "ideal carrier" design finalised in the form of the Essex class.

What you state here is correct for pre-war, and US carriers with unarmored (wooden) flight decks...when designing the Midway-class, the requirements were to armor her flight decks similar to the way that many of the British flight decks were (although the "strength deck" would remain the hanger deck with the flight deck built on top...it was not until the Farragut-class carriers that the "strength deck" became the flight deck on US carriers)...but they wanted to maintain the 100+ aircraft capacity and 30+ knot top speed while doing so...

Note: British carriers usually had aircraft capacities of around 50 aircraft or less (hanger capacity) because of the mass of the armor vs. requirement to keep high speed on a relatively "moderate" tonnage...some of their carriers managed greater aircraft capacities (around 80 aircraft) by having double hangers (often with shorter hanger heights, which limited their use after the war during the jet age), and/or by means of deck-parking aircraft...

Trying to keep up the hanger capacity while armoring the flight deck and maintaining the 30+ knot top speed resulted in needed to increase the size of the engines, which led to a larger ship, which led to more mass being devoted to armor, which led to a reduction in speed, which led to larger engines, which led to...and so on, until a compromise was reached around 45,000 tons...

For comparison, 45,000 tons displacement is around twice the displacement of the Yorktown-class and a little more than the Lexington-class when deep-loaded, and roughly half again the displacement of an Essex-class carrier...when compared to the British carriers, the 4 ship Illustrious-class were roughly the same size as the Yorktown's, while the followup 2 ship Implacable-class carriers were roughly the size of the Essex's...the earlier HMS Ark Royal was built as a single ship class with tall double hangers, and no flight deck, and therefore displaced around the same as the Illustrious-class carriers, but with half again to double the aircraft capacity (which goes to show you what it cost these types of ships to armor the flight decks)...the Courageous-class carriers were older ships converted from "Large Light Cruisers", and displaced about the same as HMS Ark Royal...and we'll leave out the various light fleet carriers of each country (Independence and Saipan-classes for the US, and the Colossus , Majestic, and Centaur-classes for the United Kingdom that were mostly completed after the war was completed...at least on those ships that were built to completion)...

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #785 on: 01 July 2018, 22:55:20 »
Note: British carriers usually had aircraft capacities of around 50 aircraft or less (hanger capacity) because of the mass of the armor vs. requirement to keep high speed on a relatively "moderate" tonnage...some of their carriers managed greater aircraft capacities (around 80 aircraft) by having double hangers (often with shorter hanger heights, which limited their use after the war during the jet age), and/or by means of deck-parking aircraft...

The British carriers at end of war in the Pacific all had larger aircraft capacity then when they were operating in the Atlantic. Because they started deck parking. They couldn't reliably deck park in the Atlantic because of conditions.

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #786 on: 02 July 2018, 03:51:04 »
The British carriers at end of war in the Pacific all had larger aircraft capacity then when they were operating in the Atlantic. Because they started deck parking. They couldn't reliably deck park in the Atlantic because of conditions.

But even with that, US ships typically carried anywhere from 10 to 50 more aircraft than their British counterparts (depending on classes compared) when doing the same...without factoring in the Midway-class ships...

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #787 on: 02 July 2018, 04:47:59 »
I suppose there's also the question of the size of construction slips; did the Brits have anything big enough to build Essex or Midway size hulls?
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #788 on: 02 July 2018, 06:01:27 »
The Battleship HMS Vanguard was 44,500 long tons, USS Midway was 45,000 tons

I think they could have built something like her if they had wanted too.  If i read it right, it wasn't in the cards, since economic hardships in Britain forced the reduction in the size and capability of the Royal Navy. 

The Audacious-class aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal [R09] (was originally to be called HMS Irresistible), built in 40s and completed in the 1950s was largest of the UK's fleet. Which was weighed 36,800 tons.

Here she is in 1978 next to USS Nimitz, a year before she was decommissioned.
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #789 on: 02 July 2018, 06:59:17 »
In the pic above HMS Ark Royal would have massed nearly 54ktons due to adding the angled flight deck (pioneered by her sister-ship HMS Eagle) and other bits.

But even with that, US ships typically carried anywhere from 10 to 50 more aircraft than their British counterparts (depending on classes compared) when doing the same...without factoring in the Midway-class ships...
The Yorktowns carried about 65+ in the hangar and 20+ aircraft parked on deck.

The contemporary Illustrious-class carried 36 in hangar and 20 on deck, but was also 25% lighter. The Implacable-class had a thinner armour belt, was more similar in mass to the Yorktowns and carried 48+ in hangars and 30 on deck.

Armour was one thing, but the British were also always hobbled as their designs were generally based off the treaty-compliant Illustrious-class. Deck parks helped the British Pacific Fleet carriers a lot.

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #790 on: 02 July 2018, 07:50:11 »
I suppose there's also the question of the size of construction slips; did the Brits have anything big enough to build Essex or Midway size hulls?

The closest we came to Essex and Midway equivalents was with the Audacious class and the larger Malta class.  The Audacious saw service as the Ark Royal and Eagle but the Maltas were all cancelled.  The Malta's were smaller than the Midways but were still looking at maybe hauling 108 aircraft at full load as well as a heavy weapons loadout.  If I recall the Midways also ran into problems when carrying their full air group at first, because it was just too much to control.





The Audacious class was smaller and more in line with the Essex class and as was said, two were completed, the Eagle and Ark Royal. 


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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #791 on: 06 July 2018, 07:00:04 »
Okay, I'm quoting RPG.net user Lenin at length, because he/she's done a smash-up job. Plus, it's posted in a member-only forum, so linking isn't possible.

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Here's an interesting tidbit I found while looking into Chinese landing ships today.

This is the Haiyangshan 936 Type 072III-class LST in its usual configuration:



Nothing weird about that, just your regular 7,000-ton displacement, 10-tank carrying LST, armed with a twin 37mm turret for self-defence purposes.

Earlier this year it was spotted wearing a fetching lavender shawl over the turret:



Which was later revealed to be hiding this:









Which appears to be a rail gun:





From the looks of it, this is probably a test-bed, rather than an operational installation, but:



Type 055s, here fitted with conventional turrets (with added black marker censorship in the background):


All credit to Lenin for putting this together.

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #792 on: 06 July 2018, 08:38:35 »
Are we sure they're not just fooling folks with really big broomsticks? ;)
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #793 on: 06 July 2018, 09:00:11 »
You can't ignore the lavender drapes. Grey, yes. But lavender is serious.

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #794 on: 06 July 2018, 09:48:54 »
You can't ignore the lavender drapes. Grey, yes. But lavender is serious.

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #795 on: 06 July 2018, 09:52:40 »
I think the German Navy has dibs on those. RAN has to do with Ken Done prints :(
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #796 on: 06 July 2018, 12:36:13 »
If that thing for real and not creative camoflague to fool western intelligence they have navalized Railgun.  It could very well be a game changer that would shame the US bit for cutting the program at it's knees before it got off the ground so to speak.  It was funding essentially put the US Navy effort on hold. I do wonder how they got that thing going so blood quick.    Barrel may not last many firings perhaps.
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #797 on: 06 July 2018, 13:44:18 »
The Type 055s are supposed to be designed with the wiring and generating capacity in place to support retrofitting a rail gun after the fact.

The amphib has been known to be a test rig for some months now. I don't think it's far along enough for them to be doing the retrofit yet considering the first Type055 hasn't even been commissioned yet.

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #798 on: 06 July 2018, 15:27:08 »
Nice big gun.
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #799 on: 06 July 2018, 16:17:46 »
I wonder of effective it will be.

At full tilt a mag rail could potential swiss cheese a ship.  I would imagine a Iowa Class Battleship would have issues as well holding up to that.
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #800 on: 06 July 2018, 17:11:23 »
Welcome to the future! One thing I will say, Chinese have taken over from the Soviets in terms of "brutal engineering done simply", but with the benefits of CAD & modelling. I'm sure there are teething problems, but this seems entirely on the level.
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #801 on: 06 July 2018, 18:22:09 »
I wonder of effective it will be.

At full tilt a mag rail could potential swiss cheese a ship.  I would imagine a Iowa Class Battleship would have issues as well holding up to that.
If not probably aimed, swiss cheesing won't hurt a ship if all those hits doesn't hit anything vital.
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #802 on: 06 July 2018, 19:21:06 »
That... is pretty stunning. Performance shouldn't be as good as the USN railgun cause I don't think their superconductor tech is up to par, nor their metallurgy either so that barrel ought to wear out even faster. But it's kinda chilling nonetheless... to see the runner-up closing on your six.

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #803 on: 06 July 2018, 19:27:17 »
On the one hand, best is the enemy of good enough, and the finest in United States Railgun technology is meaningless if the navy isn't interested in pursuing it.

On the other hand, we can't guarantee that the Chinese have actually got a practical railgun and not a propaganda piece.
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #804 on: 06 July 2018, 19:45:28 »
I'm not sure; look at the mounting - it's insanely far forward and in a very thin, small area for major structural support (compared to regular warship gun mounts) and it's literally on the one deck plate above the front end's opening doors!  I call shenanigans hard on this one; there's no room underneath the bloody thing for any typical kind of magazine (even railguns need shells), power generation systems (could be eventually exposed on deck, I admit), and sheer structural placement.

I call mockup at most, complete BS at worst.  Seriously, you're putting a major  cannon right at the bow tip with a giant hole in the hull's structural components all around it?
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #805 on: 06 July 2018, 20:02:34 »
we were going to put ours onto a landing craft for tests.



the chinese one looks to be set up similar.. generators and such just lashed to the deck.

also:
http://www.newsweek.com/china-says-building-electromagnetic-railgun-seen-leaked-warship-photos-stunned-844932

and found this in another article:

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #806 on: 06 July 2018, 20:43:15 »
China has no reason to lie about this. Underestimate their technological abilities at your own peril; remember that they manufacture most of the world's high-tech items.
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #807 on: 06 July 2018, 21:02:25 »
I wonder about the usefulness of a rail gun.  Just from a curve of the earth perspective.  Where a simple cruise missile battery has a much further reach.  Even if it isn't as sexy.

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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #808 on: 06 July 2018, 21:10:46 »
China has no reason to lie about this. Underestimate their technological abilities at your own peril; remember that they manufacture most of the world's high-tech items.

Given all the the Rule 4 things happening regarding China right now, I'd say that they would have plenty of reasons to lie about this.
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Re: Naval Pictures V: The Glorious Fifth
« Reply #809 on: 06 July 2018, 22:02:46 »
I wonder about the usefulness of a rail gun.  Just from a curve of the earth perspective.  Where a simple cruise missile battery has a much further reach.  Even if it isn't as sexy.
actually, with a high velocity, it can reach places further away than a normal gun can. The issue is closer in when there's plenty of covers and the high velocity negate having an arcing trajectory there.
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