Author Topic: Clan Jade Falcon Thread II: Falcon Harder. I SAID HARDER! (Read 221321 times)

AlphaMirage · « **Reply #1290 on:** 07 January 2021, 09:44:01 »

Quote from: Precentor Scorpio on 07 January 2021, 08:13:17

So as a Jade Falcon, were you satisfied with the mechs that were assigned to the Falcons in the 3050 invasion - Kit Fox, Hellbringer, and Summoner.? (I don't think we truly had a medium or assault mech that you would identify as a Falcon and yes I understand all of the mechs were available.

I enjoyed the mechs given to us. None are too powerful like the Timberwolf and if you were allowed to customize the mech I think the Hellbringer gave you some nice options.

I am quite satisfied with that Trio, lots of options, good mobility, reliable firepower, and decent canon configurations.
The Falcons to me were always about mobility warfare as a hammer so it fits that their designs are close in speed with one another. While it would have been nice to have a scout or harasser early on the Fire Falcon serves that role quite later. An assault would have been nice except that it really doesn't fit the force paradigm unlike say Ghost Bear which is very much about endurance or Wolf which is about optimal speed/pod space.

truetanker · « **Reply #1291 on:** 07 January 2021, 09:49:06 »

Wouldn't your Medium be the ye olde Summoner M? ;D

Preferred ride of the " most unbalanced Falcon crusader " ever, Malthus!

TT

MarauderCH IIC · « **Reply #1292 on:** 07 January 2021, 13:07:52 »

I use the Summoner so much, I've thought about changing my middle name to Summoner.

I like all three designs. I've really grown into the Falcon cavalry style. Mobile firepower is how it's played.

Weirdo · « **Reply #1293 on:** 07 January 2021, 13:34:57 »

How do you balance that with situations that call for big assault machines like the Masakari or Turkina?

AlphaMirage · « **Reply #1294 on:** 07 January 2021, 13:45:35 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 07 January 2021, 13:34:57

How do you balance that with situations that call for big assault machines like the Masakari or Turkina?

Call in the Hueys or Summoner Bs and saturation bomb the area. Then my Kit Fox will walk triumphantly upon it firing its autocannon into the sky.

MarauderCH IIC · « **Reply #1295 on:** 07 January 2021, 16:36:03 »

Night Gyrs and Turkinas!

Cannonshop · « **Reply #1296 on:** 08 January 2021, 13:56:22 »

Summoner. Accept no (Inferior) substitutes.

worktroll · « **Reply #1297 on:** 08 January 2021, 14:07:08 »

The Falcons have Turkinas for when you need Turkinas.

And I'm delighted with the Summoner & Kit Fox as is, and recognise the Hellbringer as the paradigm for real duelling. "Live fast, die young, leaving a flash-burned corpse".

Weirdo · « **Reply #1298 on:** 08 January 2021, 14:38:29 »

Thoughts on the Loki M? Lethal killer, or a crutch to be disdained by those seeking the glory?

Rainbow 6 · « **Reply #1299 on:** 08 January 2021, 14:53:38 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 08 January 2021, 14:38:29

Thoughts on the Loki M? Lethal killer, or a crutch to be disdained by those seeking the glory?

I like the look of the Hellbringer M and am looking forwards to getting to use one at some point.

worktroll · « **Reply #1300 on:** 08 January 2021, 15:07:58 »

One of the main reasons I'm waiting to start on my KS wave 1 minis until I have the KS2s is so the Recog Guides will be done, and I can do the visually interesting versions of the Clan Invasion minis.

DarkSpade · « **Reply #1301 on:** 08 January 2021, 17:08:04 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 08 January 2021, 14:38:29

Thoughts on the Loki M? Lethal killer, or a crutch to be disdained by those seeking the glory?

Depends on which end of the guns you're on. ;D

Scotty · « **Reply #1302 on:** 08 January 2021, 20:20:42 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 08 January 2021, 14:38:29

Thoughts on the Loki M? Lethal killer, or a crutch to be disdained by those seeking the glory?

It's an Executioner Prime that shrunk in the wash. Good, and probably more efficient than the T, but I'm arguably never going to get over the sweet, sweet crutch of the F's bargain basement BV. The more expensive a Hellbringer gets, the more that armor becomes a liability. When it's cheap, and losing one represents losing a much smaller fraction of your force, it's much easier to deal with.

GuyIncognito · « **Reply #1303 on:** 08 January 2021, 21:25:25 »

What kind of Mechs were "Sibko Cluster" fielding on Coventry? It seems sort of wasteful to give kiddies Omnis, but then again they do for normal Trials of Position...

MarauderCH IIC · « **Reply #1304 on:** 08 January 2021, 23:42:35 »

I really like the Hellbringer M. It's more fine tuned to what a Hellbringer variant should look like. Three long range weapons to hit from as far away as possible which this mech needs to do because of it's armor. Then it's got SRMs to find the crits it's main weapons opened up. Mildly annoyed by mismatched streak and standard SRMs, but that's just my own design thought process. At least they didn't put machine guns on the mech...

MarauderCH IIC · « **Reply #1305 on:** 08 January 2021, 23:48:43 »

Quote from: GuyIncognito on 08 January 2021, 21:25:25

What kind of Mechs were "Sibko Cluster" fielding on Coventry? It seems sort of wasteful to give kiddies Omnis, but then again they do for normal Trials of Position...

The Eyrie clusters that appeared in the Battle of Coventry sourcebook had Falconers in omnis leading pilots in mostly second line mechs. Trueborn sibkos are the future of the clan so it does seem a little odd to put them in second line mechs. It might be the timing of this event that puts them in second line mechs. Maybe there wasn't enough omnis to go around.

Guardian11 · « **Reply #1306 on:** 09 January 2021, 00:36:58 »

Quote from: MarauderCH IIC on 08 January 2021, 23:48:43

The Eyrie clusters that appeared in the Battle of Coventry sourcebook had Falconers in omnis leading pilots in mostly second line mechs. Trueborn sibkos are the future of the clan so it does seem a little odd to put them in second line mechs. It might be the timing of this event that puts them in second line mechs. Maybe there wasn't enough omnis to go around.

Yes, considering Coventry was right after the Refusal War, and that the Jade Falcons had just received a bumper crop of Trueborn, the Falcons likely had more pilots than Omnis. So they probably had to equip many of them with second-line machines. Considering many of those second-line machines were common CJF garrison Mechs like Howlers, Incubuses, Horned Owls, and Conjurers all the Pulse Lasers probably helped the newbies more than many OmniMechs would have. It also seems one of the first targets the CJF sent their trainees after was the Coventry Military Academy so they were facing opponents likely even less experienced than they were in their first battle.

Rainbow 6 · « **Reply #1307 on:** 09 January 2021, 06:57:37 »

The RecGuide entry for the Howler has that mech being used as the standard training mech for the clan in that era, so it would make sense for it to be used in earlier era's for the same roll.

Gorgon · « **Reply #1308 on:** 13 January 2021, 16:56:44 »

As a newly returned player I'm toying with the idea of getting into the mini side of the game once more. The current storyline has given me the desire to paint up some clan mechs - for the first time in almost two decades! And what better clan to pick than the clan-iest of clans!

I already have my eyes on some minis (Flamberge, Summoner or Grand Summoner, maybe a Gyrfalcon?) But I'm not yet decided on what paint scheme(s) to choice. So I was wondering, what are your favorite Falcon units? And why?

Savage Baron · « **Reply #1309 on:** 13 January 2021, 20:31:41 »

Summonrs and Hellbringers... I'm doing some of my models as Turkina Keshik. I might be doing some Gyrfalcon Guards as well. Sooooooo many Kit Foxes.

Kerfuffin(925) · « **Reply #1310 on:** 13 January 2021, 22:08:35 »

Quote from: Gorgon on 13 January 2021, 16:56:44

As a newly returned player I'm toying with the idea of getting into the mini side of the game once more. The current storyline has given me the desire to paint up some clan mechs - for the first time in almost two decades! And what better clan to pick than the clan-iest of clans!

I already have my eyes on some minis (Flamberge, Summoner or Grand Summoner, maybe a Gyrfalcon?) But I'm not yet decided on what paint scheme(s) to choice. So I was wondering, what are your favorite Falcon units? And why?

I will be painting mine as Vau Galaxy. Mostly because it lets me reuse paints. But they are also active in both timeframes I want to be playing in (Clan Invasion and Dark Ages+). Right now out of wave one I have a star set aside; Pryde Timber Wolf, Summoner, Hellbringer, Dire Wolf, and a Viper (I think). 2 iconic JF mechs, a Special JF variant, and two general mechs.

The Gyrfalcon has to be one of the greatest snipers ever and it’s Jade Falcon only outside of salvage. It’s a new age JF icon.

Scotty · « **Reply #1311 on:** 13 January 2021, 22:44:51 »

The Hierofalcon is coming out from IWM supposedly in Q1, and that's also an excellent Falcon icon.

worktroll · « **Reply #1312 on:** 14 January 2021, 03:07:14 »

I like the Falcon schemes I can paint :)

Gamma Galaxy: uses appropriate camouflage – with jade trim, except for the 9th Talon, which has blue trim.
Delta Galaxy (Gyrfalcon Galaxy): Bright green with yellow highlights.
Vau Galaxy (Peregrine Galaxy): gray with blood red highlights. Bloodnamed warriors may trim their equipment with gold.
Epsilon Galaxy: Light green and black
Zeta Galaxy (Turkina's Beak): A parade scheme of jade green and light gray.
Kappa Galaxy: Light and medium gray, with jade green accents.
Rho Galaxy: Bluish-gray. Portions of the upper torso as well as hands and/or weapon tips are highlighted with a light aqua-blue.
Sigma Galaxy (Turkina's Eyes): Rough gray base color with forest green accents.
Omega Galaxy: metallic emerald green on top and a steel finish on the lower halves. Red paint is splattered on the feet and shins of their 'Mechs

Gorgon · « **Reply #1313 on:** 14 January 2021, 04:50:41 »

Thanks for your replies! I haven't got a chance to run the Gyrfalcon yet, but as a SW Rifleman pilot, the MotW article has me excited.

I'll keep an eye out for the Hierofalcon. I skipped the Recognition Guides for the sourcebooks and the novellas in my dash to get up to speed with the story, so I didn't even know it existed.

Quote from: worktroll on 14 January 2021, 03:07:14

I like the Falcon schemes I can paint :)

Always a good policy :) I think I'll try a couple of different schemes and see what I like.

MarauderCH IIC · « **Reply #1314 on:** 15 January 2021, 15:55:15 »

Ion Sparrow! Thoughts?

GuyIncognito · « **Reply #1315 on:** 15 January 2021, 19:10:24 »

I like the lore touch of it already facing some severe issues in real combat, rather than the profile just being a complete upselling of the new design.

Weirdo · « **Reply #1316 on:** 15 January 2021, 21:17:32 »

I rather like it. Not much firepower, but all the configs have enough that you can't ignore it, and the low raw punch means that it's cheap was hell in terms of BV, so you can fit it into just about any Star. It would be a good jumpy backstabber to keep an opponent on the defensive no matter how often they win initiative, much in the way Successor State armies traditionally use Spiders.

Kojak · « **Reply #1317 on:** 15 January 2021, 21:21:23 »

Seems like a nice cheap BA taxi, what with the 10 jump and all the weapons in the arms. I look forward to this latest addition to the 3151 Hell's Horses touman. ;)

Weirdo · « **Reply #1318 on:** 15 January 2021, 21:35:40 »

Very true. A Star of Ion Raptors and Heirofalcons means you get to deploy a solid BA force just about anywhere you want in most battlefields, in the first couple turns of the game.

What are our preferred mechanizable main combat suits in this era, anyway? Classic Toads and Rabids?

Kerfuffin(925) · « **Reply #1319 on:** 15 January 2021, 21:40:53 »

Quote from: Weirdo on 15 January 2021, 21:35:40

Very true. A Star of Ion Raptors and Heirofalcons means you get to deploy a solid BA force just about anywhere you want in most battlefields, in the first couple turns of the game.

What are our preferred mechanizable main combat suits in this era, anyway? Classic Toads and Rabids?

Salamanders are clan general by DA too. But I’d imagine mostly Toads and Rabids.
JF never seemed big on BA. I mean it mentions most of their novas are ad-hoc, more or less limiting the number needed.