Author Topic: Raven Alliance: The Shiny Red Button of Orbital Doom (Read 126302 times)

(SMD)MadCow · « **Reply #150 on:** 31 March 2018, 11:05:12 »

Quote from: Terrordactyl on 30 March 2018, 13:56:25

I am prepping a 900 PV starting force for an Alpha Strike campaign. Interested to hear what you all think about what I've come up with. We can acquire more units in the course of the campaign, and we agreed to allow 10% of our force to be outside of what MUL lists for us, for both faction and Era (we're doing Civil War.) Anything you'd change around? I ran out of PV before I got to thinking about vehicles.

Pack Hunter (Standard)
Horned Owl (Standard)
Grizzly (Standard)
Warhammer IIC (Standard)
Highlander IIC (Standard)
Ice Ferret Prime
Stormcrow Prime
Mad Dog Prime
Timber Wolf Prime
Warhawk C

Roc (Standard) x5
Centaur 2 x5

Salamander BA (Standard) x5
Elemental BA (Flamer) x5

Baskir Prime x5
Sabre SB-27b x5

How do you plan on moving the Battle Armor around?

marauder648 · « **Reply #151 on:** 31 March 2018, 12:27:01 »

I'd say that's what the Ice Ferret and Stormcrow are for.

(SMD)MadCow · « **Reply #152 on:** 31 March 2018, 12:32:05 »

Oh, I read that as 5 points.

Terrordactyl · « **Reply #153 on:** 31 March 2018, 13:08:39 »

There is one full star of Elementals and one full star of Salamanders in that list. The only things that can carry them is one full star of OmniMechs. I built this with models I happen to own, but I can borrow/proxy/purchase others. And this is the starting force, each game will be some 3rd of this, and we'll have salvage/repair/purchase rules.

So you think I need some transports, or some more fast Omnis?

Crow · « **Reply #154 on:** 31 March 2018, 13:36:10 »

Quote from: Terrordactyl on 31 March 2018, 13:08:39

There is one full star of Elementals and one full star of Salamanders in that list. The only things that can carry them is one full star of OmniMechs. I built this with models I happen to own, but I can borrow/proxy/purchase others. And this is the starting force, each game will be some 3rd of this, and we'll have salvage/repair/purchase rules.

So you think I need some transports, or some more fast Omnis?

Ravens typically do not use vees in front-line force unless it's Anhurs on an ad hoc basis, but they do use them for second line forces. Every Raven is a fan of Eles air-dropped from Kirghiz C. ;) Maxim C and Bandit C and are good, but are also expensive.

Terrordactyl · « **Reply #155 on:** 31 March 2018, 14:01:30 »

I had not seen the Kirghiz C before. I am very interested in that, thank you.

(SMD)MadCow · « **Reply #156 on:** 31 March 2018, 14:58:49 »

Quote from: Terrordactyl on 31 March 2018, 14:01:30

I had not seen the Kirghiz C before. I am very interested in that, thank you.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Kirghiz

10 tons of cargo will carry 10 Elementals.

truetanker · « **Reply #157 on:** 31 March 2018, 15:08:07 »

Technically, all omniaero can carry BA... Only a few are legally built to handle " bombs ".

TT

Terrordactyl · « **Reply #158 on:** 31 March 2018, 17:32:10 »

Looks like the Omni special ability in Alpha Strike isn't applied to aerospace.

Crow · « **Reply #159 on:** 02 April 2018, 03:29:09 »

Anyone care to critique my 15K BV Proto binary? Note, minus the Chysaors, these are are minis I already own.

Centaur 4 x10
Chysaor 2 x10
Roc 1 x10
Gorgon 3 x10
Minotaur 3 x10

I love Protos about as much as TankDriver loves vees :D

note: I might consider swapping some of the Rocs 1s for Roc 4s, if I expect someone is using c3

Terrordactyl · « **Reply #160 on:** 02 April 2018, 11:25:05 »

Do you have long range backup for them, or is this the whole force? You're fast and numerous, but not knowing what size map you'll be playing on, an opponent with high mobility and long range could potentially stay outside of your effective range and pick things off. Not that 10 LRM-12s are anything to sneeze at.

St.George · « **Reply #161 on:** 02 April 2018, 12:16:31 »

Wait a minute,,,I thought C’s carries 5 tons (been awhile) but gotta love Disco Elly’s in a Halo drop.Ahhhhh good times

Terrordactyl · « **Reply #162 on:** 02 April 2018, 15:06:37 »

Alternate plan:

Ice Ferret Prime
Stormcrow Prime
Mad Dog Prime
Timber Wolf Prime
Warhawk C

Elemental BA (Flamer) x5

Baskir Prime x5
Sabre SB-27b x2
Kirghiz C x3
Vandal D x5
Sulla Prime x5

Feels more appropriate to start with another Aerospace Star if I can't fit a full second Triad than to do another Nova and pad the extra with Protos. Way weaker ground force, which might be bad in the scenarios I'm writing, but if I can clear the path with strafing fire/bombs and air drop the elementals in my opponent's back line that might keep them busy enough for my one star to secure objectives.

Crow · « **Reply #163 on:** 03 April 2018, 11:59:44 »

Quote from: Terrordactyl on 02 April 2018, 11:25:05

Do you have long range backup for them, or is this the whole force? You're fast and numerous, but not knowing what size map you'll be playing on, an opponent with high mobility and long range could potentially stay outside of your effective range and pick things off. Not that 10 LRM-12s are anything to sneeze at.

It's meant to be played on a smallish built up map, like a city or a forest. I never use Protos without cover... 8)

St.George · « **Reply #164 on:** 03 April 2018, 19:43:49 »

I think your idea of a Triad is a bit off,I’ve used em for what they are .The 5points of mechs and el’s add up but your ASF add up to 20(or 20 points by your math)...I use a full Cluster of triads (5 by WM) but I’m Raven and that’s my style and their “Very” restrictive on options

Crow · « **Reply #165 on:** 04 April 2018, 02:41:01 »

Probably up to the Jihad Era, pretty much all* Raven Clusters were composed thusly:

Front Line: 45 Mechs, 75 Elementals, 30 Fighters
Second Line: 25 Mechs 125 Elementals 50 Fighters
Solahma: 50 Vehicles 125 Elementals 50 Fighters
Zeta Galaxy Chasseurs: Literally whatever you want, as long as it's mostly Protos

*(with the exception of the Wing Clusters and 1st Raven Phalanx)

Of course, it's your game, and paying Clan means that you can bid down. You don't *have* to stick to the Triad structure if it seems like a hindrance to you. It's more of a fluff guideline.

Furthermore, at least from what I've read from sources in 3145, Ravens are back to fielding stuff in a kind of willy nilly fashion post-WoR given their less than orderly exit from the Homeworlds.

St.George · « **Reply #166 on:** 05 April 2018, 07:58:27 »

Ahhh yeah,been playing Raven for 20yrs(holy,,,!).Lacking in all types of ground units your forced to play from that angle,we are not Ghost Bears.We will “glass the surface” if needed

Terrordactyl · « **Reply #167 on:** 05 April 2018, 18:46:51 »

Isn’t it 10 fighters to the star? So I have one Triad + 1 star of fighters.

And that breakdown is really helpful, Crow, thank you.

Only half of my group voted for a narrative in this campaign, so I’m just being fluffy for my own sake. I decided we’re fighting over star league factories on Otisberg, but other than I’ll blog some narrative reports it’ll stop there. I’m doing Gamma Galaxy during the Civil War so front or second line is a little fuzzy and we probably have no business being involved in the first place.

Drewbacca · « **Reply #168 on:** 09 May 2018, 01:40:24 »

Just wanted to jump on here with something I thought the Unkindness might find interesting. In the TTS: Wynn's Roost the planetary government has apparently considered several ideas for alternate trials should any clan, or the Ravens in particular turn an eye towards them. One is apparently a dance off. Should someone tell them about the disco elementals?

Xeno426 · « **Reply #169 on:** 14 May 2018, 14:22:11 »

Quote from: Crow on 02 April 2018, 03:29:09

note: I might consider swapping some of the Rocs 1s for Roc 4s, if I expect someone is using c3

Have you tried swarming people with Ghost Targets using the Roc 4 and low Gunnery? 8)

Demongirl · « **Reply #170 on:** 19 July 2018, 00:48:00 »

Quote from: Drewbacca on 09 May 2018, 01:40:24

Should someone tell them about the disco elementals?

No one tells you about Disco Elementals; you have to experience them for yourself...

Crow · « **Reply #171 on:** 19 July 2018, 01:34:08 »

Anyone care to offer predictions for the Ravens in the upcoming Shattered Fortress and ilClan?

Jaim Magnus · « **Reply #172 on:** 19 July 2018, 07:46:51 »

Quote from: Crow on 19 July 2018, 01:34:08

Anyone care to offer predictions for the Ravens in the upcoming Shattered Fortress and ilClan?

If the Bears take it, then the Ravens are invited along as their new aerospace/navy.

If anyone else takes it, the Ravens will continue on as they are.

Either way leaves ample opportunity to smash some FedRats. >:D

Maingunnery · « **Reply #173 on:** 19 July 2018, 11:05:30 »

Quote from: Crow on 19 July 2018, 01:34:08

Anyone care to offer predictions for the Ravens in the upcoming Shattered Fortress and ilClan?

Likely offering a ride to Terra for a sweet Deal.

jimdigris · « **Reply #174 on:** 19 July 2018, 15:43:43 »

My suspicion is that the Wolves will take Terra and declare themselves IlClan. The other clans will accept the Wolves as "Supreme Allied Commanders" like Eisenhower was in WW2. The Bears and Ravens will then be directed to smack the Combine into submission.

Xeno426 · « **Reply #175 on:** 19 July 2018, 21:05:37 »

Quote from: jimdigris on 19 July 2018, 15:43:43

My suspicion is that the Wolves will take Terra and declare themselves IlClan. The other clans will accept the Wolves as "Supreme Allied Commanders" like Eisenhower was in WW2. The Bears and Ravens will then be directed to smack the Combine into submission.

Better the Wolves than the Falcons. The Bears certainly have the military to do it, but I don't think they have the interest given Dalia Bekker's behavior during the Blackout.

Sharpnel · « **Reply #176 on:** 20 July 2018, 00:47:23 »

Quote from: Jaim Magnus on 19 July 2018, 07:46:51

If the Bears take it, then the Ravens are invited along as their new aerospace/navy.

If anyone else takes it, the Ravens will continue on as they are.

Either way leaves ample opportunity to smash some FedRats. >:D

or Dracs. The Ravens have shown themselves to be fully capable of betrayal

Crow · « **Reply #177 on:** 20 July 2018, 01:15:18 »

I would be deeply surprised if the ilClan was any other than Clan Wolf. The Falcons are simply too unstable. The Bears seem to be content to remain in their OZ.

Let us all pray that the Star Adders never return...

Xeno426 · « **Reply #178 on:** 20 July 2018, 12:44:39 »

Quote from: Sharpnel on 20 July 2018, 00:47:23

or Dracs. The Ravens have shown themselves to be fully capable of betrayal

Well, there is that bit of bad blood with the Dracs. Remember, it was the Raven's retaliation that got them Abjured.

Honestly, though, I'm more interested in how ilClan will affect the Escorpión Imperio.

Xeno426 · « **Reply #179 on:** 21 July 2018, 12:32:21 »

Quote from: Crow on 02 April 2018, 03:29:09

note: I might consider swapping some of the Rocs 1s for Roc 4s, if I expect someone is using c3

Even if he's not using C3, Roc 4s can ruin someone's day if you are running with Ghost Target rules. Since protos don't have Pilot skills, they use their Gunnery on the roll.