Author Topic: Armored Fighting Vehicles version M4 - are we going with that? Sure, man. (Read 199113 times)

marauder648 · « **Reply #120 on:** 16 April 2018, 23:04:54 »

A rather wonderful gif

https://imgur.com/gallery/zdMFSm9

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #121 on:** 17 April 2018, 00:48:56 »

That'll clear your sinuses!

Watch his face closely, you can see everything he's REALLY trying not to have to have bleeped out after that goes off.

Fat Guy · « **Reply #122 on:** 17 April 2018, 07:26:16 »

Kidd · « **Reply #123 on:** 17 April 2018, 07:39:52 »

Wrong kind of caterpillar drive, Comrade.

Luciora · « **Reply #124 on:** 17 April 2018, 10:09:32 »

The A-team are chickens.

marauder648 · « **Reply #125 on:** 20 April 2018, 08:25:10 »

Found a gif with a deflagration on it. Note this isn't an explosion. Coal dust is just very flammable and this is 'just' a rapid burn

https://imgur.com/gallery/1TU1r7e

Apparently the chap threw a ton of fire lighters onto an already lit BBQ and was not too badly hurt.

DoctorMonkey · « **Reply #126 on:** 20 April 2018, 08:27:47 »

Quote from: marauder648 on 20 April 2018, 08:25:10

Found a gif with a deflagration on it. Note this isn't an explosion. Coal dust is just very flammable and this is 'just' a rapid burn

https://imgur.com/gallery/1TU1r7e

Apparently the chap threw a ton of fire lighters onto an already lit BBQ and was not too badly hurt.

He should pilot the DRW-1N Darwin which mostly has MG ammo around it's XL engine...

marauder648 · « **Reply #127 on:** 20 April 2018, 11:47:52 »

BT tanks as you've not seen them before, drawn by

https://hydrothrax.tumblr.com/post/173115653176/bt-tanks-look-at-them-go-im-running-im

I am Belch II · « **Reply #128 on:** 20 April 2018, 15:19:40 »

Very different idea for a tank.

Cannonshop · « **Reply #129 on:** 21 April 2018, 03:20:11 »

DoctorMonkey · « **Reply #130 on:** 21 April 2018, 04:17:09 »

Not a picture per se but I've been leafing through my Tank Commander Pock Book 1939-1945 which has elements of the FM 17-30 from October 1942 which details the different ammunition loads of the different tanks in use

Light Tank M3 (Stuart) : 1 x 37mm gun carrying 103 rounds with an effective rate of fire of 10 rounds per minute and able to engage 21 targets with the average 5 rounds needed to complete an engagement per target

Medium Tank M3 (Lee/Grant) : 1 x 37mm gun carrying 150 rounds with an effective rate of fire of 10 rounds per minute and able to engage 30 targets with the average 5 rounds needed to complete an engagement per target
1 x 75mm gun carrying 50 rounds with an effective rate of fire of 6 rounds per minute and able to engage 10 targets with the average 5 rounds needed to complete an engagement per target

Medium Tank M4 (Sherman): 1 x 75mm gun carrying 96 rounds with an effective rate of fire of 6 rounds per minute and able to engage 15 targets with the average 5 rounds needed to complete an engagement per target

What is interesting is the increased utility of the 75mm gun over the 37mm for attacking things like infantry or anti-tank guns at anything over 200 yards (at which point the 37mm had canister) while the smoke rounds of the 75mm had no equivalent for the 37mm and was great for suppressing positions as well as setting fire to things

Fat Guy · « **Reply #131 on:** 23 April 2018, 06:29:49 »

The King Tiger.

Because the standard Tiger wasn't impractical enough.

HobbesHurlbut · « **Reply #132 on:** 23 April 2018, 07:43:52 »

Quote from: Fat Guy on 23 April 2018, 06:29:49

Because the standard Tiger wasn't impractical enough.

Hey... At least it got a better gun and improved armor layout (sloped armor). Allies tankers would had preferred the old Tiger H over this beast. xp

marauder648 · « **Reply #133 on:** 23 April 2018, 08:29:26 »

I think they'd have preferred the Tiger P, that thing was bonkers with its electric drives :s

VhenRa · « **Reply #134 on:** 23 April 2018, 08:46:01 »

Quote from: HobbesHurlbut on 23 April 2018, 07:43:52

Hey... At least it got a better gun and improved armor layout (sloped armor). Allies tankers would had preferred the old Tiger H over this beast. xp

They likely would have preferred driving the old Tiger I H as well. The Tiger by that point was one of the more reliable German tanks. The Tiger II was an unreliable beast that would often get a significant percentage of it's hulls as mechanical causalities on a road march before entering combat

Cannonshop · « **Reply #135 on:** 23 April 2018, 08:49:17 »

Quote from: marauder648 on 23 April 2018, 08:29:26

I think they'd have preferred the Tiger P, that thing was bonkers with its electric drives :s

the Tiger P is a great example of a concept outrunning the material capability of a civilization. The reason it suffered from fires and didn't work, was that it was, at the time, literally impossible to build electric motors that could do what Porsche wanted to do with them, and even generators were bulkier and heavier than they would be for the same output even ten years later. Hell, it' might be impossible with TODAY'S electric motor technology, but it's MORE possible today, than it was in 1940-something with the state of electrical engineering and materials science that was available then, vs. now.

He had a terrific concept, but the materials and the knowledge to make it happen weren't there at the time.

Daryk · « **Reply #136 on:** 23 April 2018, 09:00:20 »

I think it's possible today, but I'm a physicist, not an engineer...

Garrand · « **Reply #137 on:** 23 April 2018, 11:01:06 »

Quote from: VhenRa on 23 April 2018, 08:46:01

They likely would have preferred driving the old Tiger I H as well. The Tiger by that point was one of the more reliable German tanks. The Tiger II was an unreliable beast that would often get a significant percentage of it's hulls as mechanical causalities on a road march before entering combat

Both Tigers had reliability issues, as both were underpowered. The Tiger I was moderately underpowered, & suffered from reliability issues because of it (crews had to be forbidden to tow a disabled Tiger with their own Tiger, since this would often result in a blown engine, even if these orders were ignored from time to time). The Tiger II even moreso, as it reused the same engine & drivetrain as the Tiger I while being several tons heavier. More than half of all Tigers (both types) lost was due to crew destruction rather than actual combat, due to breakdowns. It seems the best way to kill a Tiger was to outflank strategically & force them to engage in a road march on their own tracks...

Damon.

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire · « **Reply #138 on:** 23 April 2018, 11:38:59 »

That describes about half of all German tanks used in the war.

Matti · « **Reply #139 on:** 23 April 2018, 11:48:18 »

Video about King Tiger II

marauder648 · « **Reply #140 on:** 23 April 2018, 12:11:14 »

marauder648 · « **Reply #141 on:** 23 April 2018, 14:00:36 »

DoctorMonkey · « **Reply #142 on:** 23 April 2018, 14:03:04 »

So that was the mistake made when fielding the French tanks - given the amount of multi-tasking needed of the commander it should have been done by a woman rather than a man!

glitterboy2098 · « **Reply #143 on:** 23 April 2018, 14:17:29 »

Quote from: Daryk on 23 April 2018, 09:00:20

I think it's possible today, but I'm a physicist, not an engineer...

it is, he basically came up with the Hybrid-electric drive. such tech is becoming fairly common on cars, more than a few military forces are looking to be switching to it for their wheeled vehicles, and there are a number of next generation tank projects* using it and discussion of using it to refit existing MBT's. a version of it is also in use on a the Littorial combat Ships.

Sabelkatten · « **Reply #144 on:** 23 April 2018, 16:08:57 »

It wasn't exactly new technology in 1940 either. ^-^

Daryk · « **Reply #145 on:** 23 April 2018, 17:29:34 »

I was lucky enough to get to visit the Porsche museum on one of my trips to Stuttgart for work. The very first exhibit is of his first attempt at a car... an electric one, no less...

worktroll · « **Reply #146 on:** 24 April 2018, 15:44:50 »

Effects of a HEAT round on stacked steel blocks.

And what one looks like going off, from the outside.

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire · « **Reply #147 on:** 24 April 2018, 15:46:15 »

What's being shot there?

worktroll · « **Reply #148 on:** 24 April 2018, 15:49:06 »

Looks like an M-48 to me.

Sharpnel · « **Reply #149 on:** 24 April 2018, 15:49:31 »

Looks like an M48/M60 by looking at the forward hull.