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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #60 on: 06 October 2012, 17:12:16 »
While some of the pilots only had very rudimentary training, they had several things in their favour.

1) WW2 planes were more durable and generally better protected - armoured windscreens and seats to protect the pilot.
2) In the Battle of Britain, both sides used a lot of machine guns and fewer cannons compared to later in WW2, so the armour was relatively more effective
3) Unlike in WW1, WW2 pilots wore parachutes
4) The state of knowledge of flight was generally more advanced, so I would make the arguement that Spitfires and Hurricanes are much less treacherous than Sopwith Pups and Fokkers
5) British pilots flew over friendly territory where medical aid was much closer than over the moonscape of the trenches
6) As planes became more advanced, much fewer were flown/fewer pilots were needed. The production rates for WW1 fighters is simply staggering
7) German fighter pilots over the UK were extremely fuel-constrained, so had fairly deliberate objectives: Fighter sweep, escort bombers, etc.. They didn't simply prowl around looking for random air patrols to ambush like happened in WW1
8) Radar and the rest of the air defence network infrastructure and better C&C in general, as well as the proliferation of radios generally gives WW2 pilots a degree of situational awareness not possible in WW1

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #61 on: 18 October 2012, 16:54:35 »
Now I see a tactical use of SMs cruising for 12 hexes, making six turns in a tight donut around the target.  Do something like the Indian riders circling an impromptu wagon-fort and keeping them penned in.  Just do that with a half-dozen SMs...

...and pray they miss a kick...

Gabriels ......

I like to mix them in with my SM's........

Let the SM's rush in, and split off left and right, while the Gabriels rush past with their turrets aimed at the rear....  works especially well with the Marian version Gabriels...... rockets to the back armor.

I am surprised we haven't seen a version of the SM with twin Rocket 10 packs.....

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #62 on: 18 October 2012, 17:03:51 »
I still want to see a Savannah Master (or Gabriel) IIC with a heavy medium.  Ofc, it'd have to be a Horse unit if they ever wanted to hit anything.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #63 on: 19 October 2012, 00:58:34 »
Not necessarily, ArkWar... Gabriel IIC built by either the Bears or the WiE could have actually useful crew from the IS liaisons... :D
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #64 on: 19 October 2012, 09:19:56 »
I wish that RL Gabriel was a Marian ride...it's actually Taurian built and used.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #65 on: 19 October 2012, 21:16:27 »
I wish that RL Gabriel was a Marian ride...it's actually Taurian built and used.

My bad, yes it's Taurian.... I see rockets, and immediately think Marian.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #66 on: 21 October 2012, 17:03:34 »
Reference to the Master the Savannah thread reminded me; your average clan warrior probably hates the silly things.

Really?
As a Clanner, i would have nothing but respect for a warrior brave enough to drive a Medium Laser against a vastly superior Clan Omni.
Remember, these are the guys who see an augmented trial between an Elemental and a Light Mech as a fair fight, who trade in their Dire Wolf for a Sun Cobra, and who use inferior IS Mechs just to prove how good they are.
After all its not the weapon, its the warrior that counts.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #67 on: 22 October 2012, 10:22:47 »
I expect they'd hate the things since as soon as they see one they know honor's out the window and in a moment they'll have half a company parked at their 6! ;D

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #68 on: 28 October 2012, 08:42:37 »
Really?
As a Clanner, i would have nothing but respect for a warrior brave enough to drive a Medium Laser against a vastly superior Clan Omni.
Remember, these are the guys who see an augmented trial between an Elemental and a Light Mech as a fair fight, who trade in their Dire Wolf for a Sun Cobra, and who use inferior IS Mechs just to prove how good they are.
After all its not the weapon, its the warrior that counts.
If they were handled in a manner consistent with the Clan War of War, they might be worthy of a little respect (they're still vehicles, after all). But they never are. Hence the rest of that post.
Yes, KF drive vessels, assuming they survive the atmospher[ic reentry] (they take 100 points of damage per hex per turn of velocity in the atmosphere), do tend to use an aggressive lithobraking method for landing.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #69 on: 28 October 2012, 10:53:28 »
Considering Protos can be heavier, are better armed, armored and used in swarms, nah, don't see it.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #70 on: 28 October 2012, 12:09:51 »
Considering Protos can be heavier, are better armed, armored and used in swarms, nah, don't see it.

Not terribly familiar with protomech tactics, actually. Given the controversy surrounding them, are they the best example for Clan thinking, though?
Yes, KF drive vessels, assuming they survive the atmospher[ic reentry] (they take 100 points of damage per hex per turn of velocity in the atmosphere), do tend to use an aggressive lithobraking method for landing.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #71 on: 30 October 2012, 00:07:19 »
Shame the Hellions are gone, Clan ⑨ From Outer Space would probably love the things.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #72 on: 30 October 2012, 03:42:10 »
I put in a super charger in them. Also added 5 tons put a med. p.l. now it really moves.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #73 on: 30 October 2012, 10:09:53 »
That is only covering 6 hexes a turn so you will be easy prey for their weapons.  A better strategy is to only plan on pinning something for one turn so you can dart into position with good defensive mods and then bail out the next turn.  When used strategically this can pin an enemy in a very bad place and potentially set you up for a kill without sacrificing your hovers (or at least not many of them).

Is it still 6 hexes if they go around the enemy 3 times?

I've toyed with having some mount Mine Dispensers. Then having them zip in and surround them with a mine field and zip out. But I haven't gotten to test it so it might not work.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #74 on: 30 October 2012, 10:34:24 »
That would be...sick. Not quite as sick(but still fun) would be remote sensor dispensers.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #75 on: 30 October 2012, 10:47:28 »
That would be...sick. Not quite as sick(but still fun) would be remote sensor dispensers.

 >:D    Yep! :) Could even mount one of each. :)

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #76 on: 30 October 2012, 10:49:17 »
Wait, how on earth would you mount a sensor dispenser and a minelayer of a S_M?
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #77 on: 30 October 2012, 10:54:24 »
They're both half a ton. Replace the medium laser.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #78 on: 30 October 2012, 11:05:56 »
Oooo... >:D
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #79 on: 30 October 2012, 11:09:43 »
 >:D

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #80 on: 30 October 2012, 11:13:50 »
Shame the Hellions are gone, Clan ⑨ From Outer Space would probably love the things.

they'd have just used the clantech spiritual twin invented independently by the blood spirits. same speed, larger, better protection, and way better firepower.

the Interdictor variant produced by the ghost bears during the Jihad especially is basically a Savannah Master on steroids, having a turreted ERmedium and an ECM system for better protection.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #81 on: 30 October 2012, 11:18:10 »
the Interdictor variant produced by the ghost bears during the Jihad especially is basically a Savannah Master on steroids, having a turreted ERmedium and an ECM system for better protection.

Yes, the Bears got the idea from somewhere now didn't they.  8)
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #82 on: 30 October 2012, 13:13:46 »
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #83 on: 30 October 2012, 13:16:33 »
They're both half a ton. Replace the medium laser.
What about the ammo?  That's still in full-ton lots...not that a vehicle like that would need armor, but still.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #84 on: 30 October 2012, 13:22:11 »
What ammo? Sensor dispensers aren't allowed to mount extra ammo, and mine dispensers...nope. They get 2 'shots', and can't carry any more past that.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #85 on: 30 October 2012, 18:18:35 »
Going by SSW, though why they have that sensor-dispensor ammo option is strange then.  I stand happily corrected.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #86 on: 30 October 2012, 18:36:51 »
I'm not sure but that may be a relatively recent change.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #87 on: 30 October 2012, 19:02:19 »
What ammo? Sensor dispensers aren't allowed to mount extra ammo, and mine dispensers...nope. They get 2 'shots', and can't carry any more past that.

i'd not want to drive a SM with no weapon and just a limited amount of support supplies. i'd say go with one or the other (IMO, the sensor dispenser would be most useful since a SM makes a great scout), and stick a small laser, or even an ERsmall to make it capable of self defense. Ersmall would be preferable once the tech becomes available, for the increased range.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #88 on: 30 October 2012, 20:13:43 »
Wait, how on earth would you mount a sensor dispenser and a minelayer of a S_M?

By carrying Fa Shih?  :)

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Savannah Master
« Reply #89 on: 30 October 2012, 20:16:03 »
Sloth with MagClamps?
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