“Save” the Jags

[HuronWarrior]

Wait a minute... if Corbett had headed the recall order to go to huntress that def would have been enough to quash serpent. With that success would the clans have tried to absorb the jags rather them let them die?

IIRC Corbett had maybe two mixed clusters of troops - the 9th Jaguar Cavaliers, Jaguar's Spirit Keshik, and the Tranquil garrison troops (so much for the idea all their garrison warriors were on Huntress). It might have been enough to end the fight for Huntress early, but they still would have been annihilated by multiple elite regiments Vic and company led to relieve Serpent.

[Sjhernan3060]

IIRC Corbett had maybe two mixed clusters of troops - the 9th Jaguar Cavaliers, Jaguar's Spirit Keshik, and the Tranquil garrison troops (so much for the idea all their garrison warriors were on Huntress). It might have been enough to end the fight for Huntress early, but they still would have been annihilated by multiple elite regiments Vic and company led to relieve Serpent.

Does camo specs have examples of those units?

[Jaim Magnus]

The Cavaliers and Keshik are from Alpha Galaxy, so I'd use Alpha's camo. https://camospecs.com/unit/alpha-galaxy-12/ The garrison troops have no specified Galaxy, so I'd go with generic Jag camo, or primer grey.

[Sjhernan3060]

The Cavaliers and Keshik are from Alpha Galaxy, so I'd use Alpha's camo. https://camospecs.com/unit/alpha-galaxy-12/ The garrison troops have no specified Galaxy, so I'd go with generic Jag camo, or primer grey.

Got it thanks! I have accidentally collected a lot of jags... so I am looking to break up all that grey

[Precentor Scorpio]

Ok, on the Falcon Try Harder page I asked what "Jade Falcon" mech would you like to use if you fought on Tukayyid. 

So, as a Smoke Jaguar what would your prefer ride be:
Dire Wolf, Warhawk, Mad Dog, Ebon Jaguar, Stormcrow, Artic Cheetah, Mist Lynx.
(I think the Maddog is a Ghost Bear/Smoke Jaguar mech and I don't know if the Shadow Cat should be included here.)
My preference right now would be the Stormcrow.  But I would consider an Ebon Jaguar.

[Hellraiser]

My MW-2 RPG character was actually in a WarHawk for Tukayyid, so I guess I should pick that, but that was a random die roll.

If I could choose, it would depend on the unit profile, but I'd go Dire Wolf,  MadDog,  or ArcticCheetah based on mission/unit needs.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Kingfisher.

[BATTLEMASTER]

So, as a Smoke Jaguar what would your prefer ride be:
Dire Wolf, Warhawk, Mad Dog, Ebon Jaguar, Stormcrow, Artic Cheetah, Mist Lynx.
(I think the Maddog is a Ghost Bear/Smoke Jaguar mech and I don't know if the Shadow Cat should be included here.)
My preference right now would be the Stormcrow.  But I would consider an Ebon Jaguar.

Either a Warhawk or Dire Wolf.  The Warhawk is more patriotic being a purely Smoke Jaguar design, whereas the Dire Wolf has some wolf blood in it.  But the Dire Wolf is the meanest Clan-built 100-ton walking gun bag in existence, which perfectly fits the Smoke Jaguar's penchant for violence.

I'm a little surprised the Jaguars never renamed the Dire Wolf.  Perhaps they were somewhat honoring its origin Clan, even though they have the Mad Dog to insult Clan Wolf?  I'm wondering what they would've named it if any of them thought of one...  Maybe another insult to Clan Wolf instead like Dog Catcher, Pelt Trader, or Elizabethan Collar (call it the "Liz Collar" or "Cone of Shame" for less syllables :D).

(Gosh I just suck at renaming canon 'mechs  xp)

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Unlike the Timber Wolf, the Jags actually respected the Dire Wolf.  If the were going to rename it, it probably would have been some sort of cat theme, like Sabertooth.

[Empyrus]

"Smoke Jaguar".
Though admittedly probably not agile and mobile enough for that name.
Interesting how few Clans name 'Mechs directly after themselves.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Well, the Clans are pretty superstitious.  Don't want to risk having the first battle with the brand new totem mech that's named after your Clan to be a total disaster.

[Empyrus]

Well, the Clans are pretty superstitious.  Don't want to risk having the first battle with the brand new totem mech that's named after your Clan to be a total disaster.

Uh, i never got an impression like this. (And didn't stop the Nova Cats.)

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

Look at all the instances of a Clan rejecting a mech after one failure.  And how many mechs besides the Nova Cats have actually named a totem mech directly after the Clan?

[Empyrus]

Look at all the instances of a Clan rejecting a mech after one failure. 

After one?
None?

[BATTLEMASTER]

Unlike the Timber Wolf, the Jags actually respected the Dire Wolf.  If the were going to rename it, it probably would have been some sort of cat theme, like Sabertooth.

Hey, I can go for a Sabertooth, Draconis Combine code name Daishi :thumbsup:

[Hellraiser]

If the were going to rename it, it probably would have been some sort of cat theme, like Sabertooth.

As a Wolf player, I can really respect that name, very suitable,  big, stocky, slow cat that will take down any prey with its giant teeth (guns).

I recall the fanon design "Iron Cheetah" from that mech magazine which used a 400XL.

I think my favorite alternative would be a spin off on that name however & copy a smaller/less known band (and movie quote) & call it a "Steel Panther"

[BATTLEMASTER]

I recall the fanon design "Iron Cheetah" from that mech magazine which used a 400XL.

I so wish the Iron Cheetah design was canon.  It was used to demonstrate the Heavy Metal Pro software's TRO output.  Considering the other technological marvels they've made, I don't think there's a reason they couldn't have been able to make such a machine.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So, as a Smoke Jaguar what would your prefer ride be:
Dire Wolf, Warhawk, Mad Dog, Ebon Jaguar, Stormcrow, Artic Cheetah, Mist Lynx.
(I think the Maddog is a Ghost Bear/Smoke Jaguar mech and I don't know if the Shadow Cat should be included here.)
My preference right now would be the Stormcrow.  But I would consider an Ebon Jaguar.

I'm of the same mind, either a Stormcrow or an Ebon Jaguar. Both have the speed, armor, and firepower to have a place in all but the most specialized Stars, to serve as the anvils of lighter Stars or the hammers of heavier Stars. It also helps that both have some decent-to-great energy configs, but if I used those some arrogant Sibbie would probably challenge me for my position due to my unClan-like caution... xp

The Warhawk is more patriotic being a purely Smoke Jaguar design, whereas the Dire Wolf has some wolf blood in it.

Some Wolf blood in it, plenty more on it.  >:D Actually, I don't think it's said the Jaguars changed anything about the Dire Wolf, other than maybe some maker's marks on components. It was still on the drawing boards when the Jaguars heard of it and decided they wanted it. But it would be interesting how much of such an "original" Dire Wolf as envisioned by it's creators survived into what marched off the Huntress line in 3010. Also, that could make a great story for how the Jaguars learned of a new Wolf OmniMech in the works, some Homeworld intrigue or maybe a different Clan altogether with an axe to grind with the Wolves using the Jags as a literal cat's paw.

I recall the fanon design "Iron Cheetah" from that mech magazine which used a 400XL.

Wow, forgot all about that one! The Dire Wolf with the front of the Timber Wolf torso in place of the bullet cockpit, right? I bet that would look fantastic with the new plastic minis...

[Sjhernan3060]

IIRC Corbett had maybe two mixed clusters of troops - the 9th Jaguar Cavaliers, Jaguar's Spirit Keshik, and the Tranquil garrison troops (so much for the idea all their garrison warriors were on Huntress). It might have been enough to end the fight for Huntress early, but they still would have been annihilated by multiple elite regiments Vic and company led to relieve Serpent.

But with the early relief force the SDS system could have been turned back on right?

Did Corbett have any warship support I don’t recall?

[Sjhernan3060]

The jag garrison was noted to have only a small handful of “ aging” aerospace fighters those likely would have been SL vintage?

[jimdigris]

They could also be Golden Century designs.

[Sjhernan3060]

They could also be Golden Century designs.

Oh good point! I will check my TRO

[BATTLEMASTER]

It's looking like the Iron Cheetah is going to be canon now  :o



Pure speculation on my part but I can't imagine what else that would be!  Its visible loadout matches the configuration presented on the HMP website, just with some weapons location changes.

[rebs]

Now that the Jags are officially back, they no longer need to be saved, I reckon.  It's a redemption story where the block bully is resurrected as a peon of Clan Wolf...

Should we make a Kill the Jags thread now?

[Jaim Magnus]

Should we make a Kill the Jags thread now?

Yes, definitely, let's do that.

Fidelis were moderately interesting, resurrected Jags not so much.

[ANS Kamas P81]

Yes, definitely, let's do that.

Fidelis were moderately interesting, resurrected Jags not so much.

Easy enough to change the title in replies!

So what makes the return of CSJ "not so interesting" compared to the Fiddles?

[BATTLEMASTER]

Should we make a Kill the Jags thread now?

 ;D

"I'm getting better!  I feel fine!  I feel happy!"

[Jaim Magnus]

So what makes the return of CSJ "not so interesting" compared to the Fiddles?

The Fidelis used Clan culture as a stepping stone, as a basis. Then improved upon it, made themselves more humane, more relatable, more flexible and adaptable. It was a story of perseverance, not being beholden to the past, being better than you used to be. Of evolution.

So far (from what we've seen in HotW) the resurrected Jags are trying to fit themselves back into a proper Clan mould. We've got plenty of that. It's undoing change and evolution for... what? To 'rise again'? No thanks. Boring and questionable.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

It's looking like the Iron Cheetah is going to be canon now  :o



Pure speculation on my part but I can't imagine what else that would be!  Its visible loadout matches the configuration presented on the HMP website, just with some weapons location changes.

What's it got?  Two ER PPCs, LRM-15, AMS, and a pair of lasers and either an LB-10X or a Gauss Rifle?

[CJC070]

The Fidelis used Clan culture as a stepping stone, as a basis. Then improved upon it, made themselves more humane, more relatable, more flexible and adaptable. It was a story of perseverance, not being beholden to the past, being better than you used to be. Of evolution.

So far (from what we've seen in HotW) the resurrected Jags are trying to fit themselves back into a proper Clan mould. We've got plenty of that. It's undoing change and evolution for... what? To 'rise again'? No thanks. Boring and questionable.

We don’t know how much the Smoke Jaguar culture will be reborn all we know is the name is more pronounceable.  Besides some might go rogue and the Clan Protectorate will be home to the true children of the Smoke Jaguars and Nova Cats.