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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #510 on: 21 December 2023, 23:38:32 »
They are more likely to return to their more traditional name.

 . . . traditional name?  They were a Oriente special force and got wiped out- unless they get the GDL-treatment.
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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #511 on: 22 December 2023, 03:39:38 »
Nicol could resurrect them at one point in recognition of their services but probably not in the middle of a war. Or are you implying they were what the Dark Shadows were in the past?

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« Reply #512 on: 22 December 2023, 07:54:05 »
Nicol could resurrect them at one point in recognition of their services but probably not in the middle of a war. Or are you implying they were what the Dark Shadows were in the past?
Would that be so hard to believe. There are clearly distinctions, but the context of the time could explain that. Beggars cannot be choosers.

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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #513 on: 22 December 2023, 10:09:49 »
What sealed the deal was the marriage . . . Humphries was originally avoiding the entanglements b/c he realized his smaller/weaker state would be the junior & thus abused partner.

Funny thing with that is the description of Ilsa makes her a 60 year old bombshell.  But the art, either ER or FM 3145 made her look like some dowager queen prune- besides being one of those funky pictures due to the way the art was being done.



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Heck, characters in the universe tend life span longer. Ilsa was not done well at all.
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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #514 on: 26 December 2023, 07:55:38 »
Would that be so hard to believe. There are clearly distinctions, but the context of the time could explain that. Beggars cannot be choosers.

I don't think we ever really got a canon explanation of what happened to Dark Shadows or the Eagle Corps, for that matter.  Eagle Corps HQ is on one of Atreus' moons so I assume that they just rolled with the MSC after the break-up, but I don't recall reading anything about the Shadows.  Both scenarios -- that the Talons were the Shadows, or that the Talons were a new unit -- are equally plausible.

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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #515 on: 26 December 2023, 08:50:29 »
My pet theory: the original name stayed with the Marik Commonwealth as they had the base at hand (unless the Blakies nuked it at the end) while at least a few othger statelets build some form of similar force just to have one at hand if the need arise. Though I haven't seen the name crop up in the current FM so far. Maybe the special forces need more time to rebuild after all that chaos.

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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #516 on: 26 December 2023, 12:19:56 »
I don't think we ever really got a canon explanation of what happened to Dark Shadows or the Eagle Corps, for that matter.  Eagle Corps HQ is on one of Atreus' moons so I assume that they just rolled with the MSC after the break-up, but I don't recall reading anything about the Shadows.  Both scenarios -- that the Talons were the Shadows, or that the Talons were a new unit -- are equally plausible.

Schroedinger's special forces.

Weren't they utterly wiped out during the Jihad, at least everything at that moon base? They had an entire Shadow Division shoved down their throats.
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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #517 on: 26 December 2023, 14:52:34 »
Weren't they utterly wiped out during the Jihad, at least everything at that moon base? They had an entire Shadow Division shoved down their throats.

I honestly don't know.  TRO:3085 had a specialist zero-G infantry type and the example unit was the Eagle Corps' moon base defense troops so I figured they were still around. 
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« Reply #518 on: 26 December 2023, 15:16:56 »
I was assuming that was a historical entry, and they were all dead by '85, but now realize the text does not support that.

I'm going to revise my assumption and say without evidence that they all died, but the base has since been reoccupied and the defending troops use the same/similar gear, and that I don't know know if those troops are SAFE, regular FWLM, or anyone else entirely.
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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #519 on: 26 December 2023, 16:29:01 »
I was assuming that was a historical entry, and they were all dead by '85, but now realize the text does not support that.

I'm going to revise my assumption and say without evidence that they all died, but the base has since been reoccupied and the defending troops use the same/similar gear, and that I don't know know if those troops are SAFE, regular FWLM, or anyone else entirely.
There was a scenario called Silencing the Shadows, but for all intents and purposes Dark Shadows is not a line unit name. It is an appendage of SAFE's Covert Operations division, just like the Eagles. Its members were simply people rotated in for a period from other units.

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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #520 on: 26 December 2023, 16:45:58 »
I knew most of that, but the bit about them being rotated in from elsewhere is new. Where's that mentioned?
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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #521 on: 26 December 2023, 16:49:34 »
I knew most of that, but the bit about them being rotated in from elsewhere is new. Where's that mentioned?
Honestly, I lost my intel book when my last computer's hardrive died, so I used Sarna. Sarna directly sourced Covert Ops, which is unusual since it is typically overly repetitive in citations, sometimes including sources that do not usually state the overlapping statistics.
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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #522 on: 26 December 2023, 17:48:15 »
...it really should have occurred to me that Covert Ops would be a source of info regarding intel agency troops. :embarrassed:
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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #523 on: 26 December 2023, 17:54:31 »
...it really should have occurred to me that Covert Ops would be a source of info regarding intel agency troops. :embarrassed:
The Dark Shadows are a special activities unit, so it makes sense. That status also helps ameliorate the supposed problems with their history and ranking system.

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« Reply #524 on: 28 December 2023, 23:55:18 »
I'm sure the Shadows were rebuilt by somebody. Putting the Marik Militia back together would make sense as a line unit as the only real "federal" units are the several regiments of Free Worlds Guards and the one Protectors regiment that became the first rebuilt Militia unit to get renamed. The rest of the Protectors are kind of an ad hoc merc brigade with lots of nationalist sentiment.  Otherwise we end up with more regional troops, and we kno2 how that works out even with a strong hand at the tiller.

Also does anyone think that Clan Sea Foxes' not so subtle manipulation of the Wolf Empire and the Leauge is going to lead to the Clan Protectorate getting absorbed and the Foxes booted from League space? I'm not sure if the Leauge can afford to until it gets more manufacturing back from Clan Woof Woof...

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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #525 on: 29 December 2023, 02:27:06 »
At the moment the clan Protectorate is more in a "howl with the Wolves" scenario. They are bound to the League and while they vetoed against the declaration of war they are treaty bound to go along with it. The more interesting aspect will be how the Cats will react. They were against aligning with the IlClan and despite them loosing a trial of refusal against the Foxes they might put this up as a "See? We were right" argument. And the Clanner need to treat carefully. After all what do they have ? 5 clusters? How many units can the League mobilize? Quiet a lot I would say. The Foxes might see this as an opportunity to gain more planets for thermselves under the guise of "safe keeping worlds of the IlClan" while overtly paying lip service to the League. The main issue is though: there probably won't be any reinforcements coming for a long time. The Wolves are busy with the Capellans and that will sap a lot of strength of them.

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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #526 on: 29 December 2023, 11:38:24 »
 The problem with playing that game is that the worlds can proceed to vote to leave the Protectorate. It would be quite embarrassing to Alaric to lose all of his worlds on the grounds of a people's vote citing horrifically poor governance and crimes committed during occupation. Those worlds would either have to be allowed to be de facto free or convinced on their own to stay. I doubt they want any relationship with a clan for the moment. The Clan Protectorate technically gives them freedom of governance, but you will have to convince the people that it will last.
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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #527 on: 31 December 2023, 17:17:19 »
Apropos of nothing, beast-mounted infantry have just been added to Megamek. This includes Branths.

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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #528 on: 01 January 2024, 10:34:53 »
The TRO 3085 also introduced the Branth unit template in the Free World section. And the Outworlds Alliance had their Tariq infantry. I am just waiting for thge Magistracy to introduce Thraxan devourer squads to harass supply shipments on the water

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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #529 on: 01 January 2024, 10:54:42 »
I'm just sad we never got stats for the horse troops that were promised by the Scorpion RATs in ISP3.
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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #530 on: 06 January 2024, 17:21:41 »
That would also help develop the Mongol unit from the ilClan book.

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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #531 on: 22 January 2024, 07:41:14 »
For no concrete reason I just had another look at Janos Marik's direct family. In my professional opinion, that man was cursed. Must have run afoul of some ancient mummy or something. Let's take a look:
  • He's born in 2957, so far so good.
  • At age 6, his grandfather Thaddeus drowns. Not great.
  • His life continues alright, he gets his education, a command and marries Hilda Lauber in 2981 or '82 (She would be 18 or 19 at the time). There marriage seems alright, they have seven children in eight years. Holy cow.
  • In 2986, things take a turn for the worst. His younger sister Sylvia dies while giving birth to Duncan Marik.
  • Disaster strikes again in 2991. His father dies of heart attack at age 58.
  • Three years later, in 2994, his wife Hilda dies at 31 years of age. Janos is 37 at this point, leads one of the most powerful states in the history of humanity, has lost his father and his wife in quick succession and is left with seven children aged 4 to 12. Future events indicate he was... not a great father.
  • In 2997, Paul Marik is born, his first child with Ana Stewart. Curiously enough, Ana and Janos only marry a year later in 2998. Could indicate that this was not (only) a political marriage. Good on Janos for catching a break!
  • 2998 and the Janos Marik curse strikes again. His son Cartwright dies age 12, the first of his children to die before him.
  • Janos and his family enjoy ten years of relative peace. His son Thomas is allowed to join ComStar in 3006 and joins the Explorer Corps for a while. But then in 3008, his youngest child Janos dies at age 8. The same year, his daughter Therese falls in love with Jeremy Brett, leading to a lasting falling out between father and daughter.
  • 3011 and Ana Marik-Stewart dies. Janos is 54 and widower for a second time. The same year, Therese and Jeremy Brett leave Atreus for good and resettle on Tamarind. It is likely that Janos in his stubbornness never sees his two grandsons resulting from Therese's and Jeremy's marriage.
  • A year later, in 3012, his daugther Faith dies overdosing on drugs, she is 23 years old.
  • 3014 rolls around and Janos only brother Anton declares him unfit to rule and raises a small army in open revolt. He manages to get Janos' second child, Gerald, to support his claim against Janos. By 3015, the revolt is crushed and Anton dead at the hands of the Black Widow. Gerald Marik is tried for treason and executed alongside other leaders of the rebellion. At this point, Janos has disowned one child, executed another and lost three more.
  • Three years later, his oldest son Martin is assassinated in 3018. It is unclear by whom or why, but needless to say, Janos Marik had plenty of enemies by this time.
  • Sometime between c.3018 and 3025, Kristen Marik runs off to become a mercenary under a false name. This is arguably a smart choice, given the survival rate of Janos children. During the same time, Janos haggles with ComStar for Thomas to be allowed to return to the League and become Janos' designated heir.
  • For the next decade, things go as well as can be expected: the 4th Succession War happens, Andurien starts acting up. All of this is a bit much for poor old Janos and he suffers a stroke in 3030, shortly after the Andurien secession kicks off. He pulls through, while a three-way power struggle between his oldest surviving son Duggan (Hilda's 4th child), his nephew Duncan (Sylvia's son) and his seventh child Thomas, the golden boy.
  • Thomas acts as a regent for a couple of years until Janos has finally recovered enough from his stroke and... everything to be back in control in 3035. He's about to put the squeeze on Andurien, when Duncan decides to give himself a promotion. The car bomb kills Janos Marik, his son Duggan and nearly Thomas, too.
Honestly, this almost feels like a mercy killing. Janos was 78, had survived his two wives, had survived five of his ten children, a sixth died with him, had barely any contact with two others. He was betrayed by his brother, his son and his nephew. Not particularly loved by his subjects but so determent to do his duty that he disowned one child, had another executed, tattooed the national symbol to his forehead and tentatively worked with the man that had turned his own brother and son against him.

Forget Hanse, Victor, Theodore or whoever. I bet Janos Marik is the political figure of the Succession Wars that more plays and novels are written about than anybody else. This man's long life was one giant greek tragedy.
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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #532 on: 22 January 2024, 07:53:38 »
You forgot a small detail: upon graduation from his military education his father presented Janos with his first Battlemech: a Rifleman. A heavy Mech with rather anemic armor protection. Some "joked" that the Captain General didn't like his heir very much. Though Janos took it in strides by modyfing the Mech (swapping the Ac 5's with AC 2's and dropping the medium lasers entirely swapping in more ammo, heat sinks and crucially more armor

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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #533 on: 22 January 2024, 07:57:33 »
True. That's actually very telling of the man's character. Theodore complained when he got a Dragon for his first ride, because he felt that was the lightest his father could get away with while preserving face. All his whining of course got him the refurbished Orion from his aunt. Janos on the other hand took the mech and did his duty.
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« Reply #534 on: 22 January 2024, 09:36:16 »
You forgot a small detail: upon graduation from his military education his father presented Janos with his first Battlemech: a Rifleman. A heavy Mech with rather anemic armor protection. Some "joked" that the Captain General didn't like his heir very much. Though Janos took it in strides by modyfing the Mech (swapping the Ac 5's with AC 2's and dropping the medium lasers entirely swapping in more ammo, heat sinks and crucially more armor

I do like that this is also what happened with Trenton Marik, though his Rifleman is slightly better than a 3N.
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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #535 on: 22 January 2024, 09:52:05 »
You forgot a small detail: upon graduation from his military education his father presented Janos with his first Battlemech: a Rifleman. A heavy Mech with rather anemic armor protection. Some "joked" that the Captain General didn't like his heir very much. Though Janos took it in strides by modyfing the Mech (swapping the Ac 5's with AC 2's and dropping the medium lasers entirely swapping in more ammo, heat sinks and crucially more armor

Not only that, but although Janos graduated from the extremely prestigious Princefield Academy in Oriente, his first assignment with said Rifleman was with the Atrean Hussars. . . a lightweight reconnaissance regiment that is definitely not a prestigious command.
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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #536 on: 22 January 2024, 10:02:56 »
so it appears stephan wanted anton to be the heir all along 🤔

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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #537 on: 22 January 2024, 10:06:55 »
Not only that, but although Janos graduated from the extremely prestigious Princefield Academy in Oriente, his first assignment with said Rifleman was with the Atrean Hussars. . . a lightweight reconnaissance regiment that is definitely not a prestigious command.

Interestingly enough that happened to several House lords. Takashi send Theodore to the Legion of Vega, Hanse send Victor to the 12th Donegal Guards guarding the Periphery, Theodore send Hohiro to the Legion of Vega (though probably with other intentions then his father)

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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #538 on: 22 January 2024, 10:56:14 »
Most certainly. Hohiro's and Victor's posting was generally understood as part of a mutual deescalation between Theodore and Hanse. Send their heir somewhere remote, where there will be no chance of conflict with the other side. As for Janos... it's just his lot in life, I guess. Suffer I must, so suffer I will.

I like the comparison between Janos and Theodore more and more: Both get assigned a somewhat sub-par Mech by their fathers, both get send to less than prestigious units. Janos decided to shoulder this burden and pull through by determination and sense of duty. Theodore, on the other hand, tries to one-up his father by going around him (in pursuit of a better Mech) or spite him by turning is posting into a proving grounds of his ideas on how to reform the military. Later, too, Janos shows a strong inflexibility when met with difficult situations: His daughter refuses to engage in a political marriage and wants to marry for love? Disown her and all but send her into exile. There's discontent in his immediate family about his policies and the way things are run? Bull through, tattoo an eagle on your forehead and execute your son, when the rebellion comes. You can not doubt the man's sense of duty and adherence to what he thinks is proper. But if you look at the series of conflicts with his children and next of kin, I can not help but see a man so consumed by his rigid code of conduct that he alienates all those that can not or will not live up to his expectations.
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Re: The Free Worlds League: Wolf Empire Reunion Tour
« Reply #539 on: 22 January 2024, 23:33:06 »
   
  • At age 6, his grandfather Thaddeus drowns. Not great.

I feel like it should be "drowns" . . . as we are frequently told those who sit on the 5 principle thrones rarely have long lives with natural deaths.
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