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Title: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: YingJanshi on 09 May 2011, 13:17:14
I was wondering if there's any new information out on these two units. I heard the the BT might have been accidently nuked. Thanks
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: JPArbiter on 09 May 2011, 13:25:07
The Black Thorns were in fact nuked.  this was discovered when an author wanted to do a Black Thorns story for Battlecorps, and someone was running background and saw that the last planet they were garrisoning, Galedon V,  was in fact pretty thoroughly sterilized.  According to Rumor the reaction from Herb was "ooops."
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 09 May 2011, 13:36:51
It is unclear if the Black Thorns were nuked, orbitally bombarded or died of the Galedon Plague. Their battlefield use is the same either way.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Paul on 09 May 2011, 14:06:51
It is unclear if the Black Thorns were nuked, orbitally bombarded or died of the Galedon Plague. Their battlefield use is the same either way.

I like to envision a race between the Plague causing mortality while a beam of particles from an NPPC is racing down. Then run that like a chase montage.

Paul
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Dread Moores on 09 May 2011, 14:34:09
For Rubinsky's Light Horse, the last I remember hearing was in FM: Mercs Supplemental Update. They helped in the defense of Blackjack against the Jade Falcons in 3069. They handle the first group of forces, but when reinforcements showed up, they bugged out.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Decoy on 09 May 2011, 14:36:11
I like to envision a race between the Plague causing mortality while a beam of particles from an NPPC is racing down. Then run that like a chase montage.

Paul

*Ques up Yakity Sax*

For Rubinsky's Light Horse, the last I remember hearing was in FM: Mercs Supplemental Update. They helped in the defense of Blackjack against the Jade Falcons in 3069. They handle the first group of forces, but when reinforcements showed up, they bugged out.

Rubinksy's is in Field Report LAAF, IIRC.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Dread Moores on 09 May 2011, 14:38:49
Rubinksy's is in Field Report LAAF, IIRC.

Yeah, but the only two times they are mentioned is to say "They're at this strength and currently stationed here" and to mark them on a map. :)
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: HABeas2 on 09 May 2011, 17:09:29
Hello,

The Black Thorns were in fact nuked.  this was discovered when an author wanted to do a Black Thorns story for Battlecorps, and someone was running background and saw that the last planet they were garrisoning, Galedon V,  was in fact pretty thoroughly sterilized.  According to Rumor the reaction from Herb was "ooops." "Really? Ah, that's just too bad..." (with a smile on his face).

Fixed that for you.

Thank you,

- Herbert Beas
  BattleTech
  Catalyst Game Labs

*Note: The aforementioned post is NOT a "trolling" attempt; that's really what happened.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Peacemaker on 09 May 2011, 17:49:02
I think it's safe to say that the destruction of the Black Thorns is one of the Top 5 Most Iconic Moments of the Jihad.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: GreyWolfActual on 09 May 2011, 17:53:59
I think it's safe to say that the destruction of the Black Thorns is one of the Top 5 Most Iconic Moments of the Jihad.
I would disagree.  For it to be a moment there has to be something singular you can point to.  But there hasn't been anything to point to.  No mention in a sourceboook.  No Battlecorps story.  The destruction of the Black Thorns was an oversight, not a moment.  If there was a Battlecorps story, I think it would have the potential to be quite epic, but until there is something detailing their last days, I think it is hard to call their destruction a "moment."
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Paul on 09 May 2011, 18:37:05
I think it's safe to say that the destruction of the Black Thorns is one of the Top 5 Most Iconic Moments of the Jihad.

I think it's safer to say that the destruction of the Black Thorns is irrelevant.

Paul

Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Ruger on 09 May 2011, 18:43:14
I think it's safer to say that the destruction of the Black Thorns is irrelevant.

Paul

Nah...I think it's safe to say that their destruction as just as much relevance as their life...

IOW's, it's highly relevant to themselves, to those they've helped, and perhaps to those they've killed...but little to anyone else...

 :D

Ruger (and, yes...I happened to be one of the relatively few that actually really liked the unit...)
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Caesar Steiner for Archon on 09 May 2011, 19:00:38
I am surprised they made it this long. Rose is one of the most idiotic characters in CBT fiction.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 09 May 2011, 19:14:09
I think it's safer to say that the destruction of the Black Thorns is irrelevant.

Paul

Except for those who were Black Thorns.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Paul on 09 May 2011, 19:21:13
Except for those who were Black Thorns.

If they had a conscience, they'd know they had it coming, and would welcome their atomizing doom.

Paul
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: haesslich on 09 May 2011, 19:27:06
I think it's safe to say that the destruction of the Black Thorns is one of the Top 5 Most Iconic Moments of the Jihad.

Iconic?  Nah.  Produced the best story about events out-of-universe involving the Jihad?  It's ranked #1 in my books, especially with how Herb mentioned the 'ah, that's just too bad' offhand remark to accompany the smile.

Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: SteelRaven on 09 May 2011, 19:39:31
The fact this question keeps popping up on the forum proves the Black Thorns had some fans but they where low on the totem pole when your checking the Wobbie body count. The fact that they where killed three times over and no one notice speaks volumes.

Hey, it was a better end then what the GDL got in Dying Time.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: jcherrin on 09 May 2011, 20:45:07
What about Rubinsky's Light Horse?

Actually more interested in tracing the fates of Candace Liao's line through the Dark Age.

IIRC, we only have confirmed (though not necessarily expounded on) fates for Kai and Melissa AL.  None on Deidre, David Lear, Cassandra, Kuan-Yin, or Quint. :P
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: JadeHellbringer on 09 May 2011, 20:47:23
The Thorns deserved everything they got and more, if for no other reason than for the cover of D.R.T.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Stormlion1 on 09 May 2011, 20:51:02
The cover of D.R.T. is one of the tragedys of Battletech covers, though it did get one of my ex's to read a Battletech novel. Maybe people might have an easier time if they had a story of the final moments of th "e Black Thorns up on Battlecorp. You know, Jeremiah looks up and see's the nuclear holocaust coming his way and his last words "I knew today was a bad day to stop sniffing glue."
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Deadborder on 09 May 2011, 21:23:35
Maybe people might have an easier time if they had a story of the final moments of th "e Black Thorns up on Battlecorp. You know, Jeremiah looks up and see's the nuclear holocaust coming his way and his last words "I knew today was a bad day to stop sniffing glue."

Be right back, workign on that right now.

But seriously, when I found out that the Black Thorns had died of oversight, I laughed and laughed. Then I told a friend who still has his copy of Dire Red Thong, and he laughed. We laughed till we cried. We laughed till it hurt. And then we laughed some more.

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving bunch of guys.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Dread Moores on 09 May 2011, 22:12:02
The cover of D.R.T will never inspire the hatred that reading Main Event did.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: JadeHellbringer on 09 May 2011, 22:30:22
The cover of D.R.T will never inspire the hatred that reading Main Event did.

I'll see your Main Event and raise you The Ruins of Paper Power.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: SteelRaven on 09 May 2011, 22:41:48
I'll see your Main Event and raise you The Ruins of Paper Power.
I bought Ruins of Power, it was literally painful to read. Worst $5.99 I ever spent and ironically one of the better book covers up to that point.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Kit deSummersville on 09 May 2011, 22:45:48
The Thorns deserved everything they got and more, if for no other reason than for the cover of D.R.T.

...because you liked it.

^-^
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: guardiandashi on 09 May 2011, 23:19:32
ok mabie I am one of the people who has rather different tastes but I liked the black thorns aka the scrappy little unit that could :p

frankly the novels that were high up on my personal list of "suckage/hard to read" were:

the dieing time
the warriors of kerensky arc not so much for the story, but for the lets spend 1 /2 to 1 chapter following this char, lets spend the next chapter following this char .... through 10 chapters before it goes back to the 1st char for another chapter and 3/4 of the chars NEVER MEET UP until the 2nd or 3rd book in the trillogy.

I am sure there are more but those were the ones that come to mind 1st
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Dread Moores on 09 May 2011, 23:24:00
I'll see your Main Event and raise you The Ruins of Paper Power.

I'd re-read The Ruins of Power three times before I'd re-read Main Event once. I'd re-read both of them a few hundred times before I ever successfully finish the Warrior trilogy.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: SteelRaven on 09 May 2011, 23:31:13
I'd re-read The Ruins of Power three times before I'd re-read Main Event once. I'd re-read both of them a few hundred times before I ever successfully finish the Warrior trilogy.
...I'm pretty sure your mind broke somewhere between the 3rd reading of Ruins and you second pass at Main Event. It's only way I can think anyone can re-read ether book more than once.

What about Rubinsky's Light Horse?
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Deadborder on 09 May 2011, 23:54:15
And I'll see all of that and give you Star Lord and Far Country back-to-back
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Dread Moores on 09 May 2011, 23:55:37
What about Rubinsky's Light Horse?

*points up* (http://www.classicbattletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,5611.msg125198.html#msg125198)

No, my mind broke from trying to read the Warrior trilogy.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Ruger on 10 May 2011, 08:22:28
...I'm pretty sure your mind broke somewhere between the 3rd reading of Ruins and you second pass at Main Event. It's only way I can think anyone can re-read ether book more than once.

I have reread both Black Thorn novels more than once, and thoroughly enjoyed the stories each time (kind of reminds me of some of my BTech campaigns)...

That other you mentioned here...well, let's just say, I never have gotten through that one even once...and that's the only BTech-related novel for which I can say that...

Ruger
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: A. Lurker on 10 May 2011, 13:11:18
And I'll see all of that and give you Star Lord and Far Country back-to-back

I did read Star Lord multiple times and found it each time, if not exactly high literature, then at least readable. A bit cheesy at times, perhaps, but certainly not the worst book ever.

Far Country on the other hand is in fact the one BT novel that I've yet to re-open after the initial read-through (though my lack of interest in slogging through the Jade Phoenix trilogy again comes close). It's not even necessarily that bad a book from what I remember; it just lost me when it made every possible attempt to divorce itself from the actual BT universe just so that the author could spin his own (in and of itself passable) first-contact yarn about human nature.

The Black Thorns? Eh, I kind of liked them ever since I got their "Contract with..." card in the old CCG. The novels just made it clear why their performance in that game was so thoroughly random. ;)
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Rainbow 6 on 10 May 2011, 13:38:43
Shame about the Thorns i guess  ;D

Good to see Rubinsky's Light Horse made it through the Jihad in the service of House Steiner.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: JeremiahRose on 22 June 2011, 15:18:49
I always liked them.  I'm a sucker for an underdog makes good story, even if some people found it cheesy.

At best they were company sized, and even with all that clantech, they were still pretty irrelevant from a big picture perspective.

If you want to kill someone, you should actually kill them, not sidenote them due to an oversight... but hey, I'm biased.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Hersh67 on 22 June 2011, 15:36:11
I think it's safe to say that the destruction of the Black Thorns is one of the Top 5 Most Iconic Moments of the Jihad.


Nope, just proof positive that even a Blakist can do the right thing once in a while.  Usually by accident...
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Caesar Steiner for Archon on 22 June 2011, 15:56:13
The Thorns never should have made it this far. Jeremiah Rose is just all EDGY and IN YOUR FACE which means, to anyone older than like... 15 or so, that he's just needlessly confrontational and shouldn't be able to get anyone to cooperate with him.  Except that they do, because he's the main character.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Peacemaker on 22 June 2011, 16:02:25

Nope, just proof positive that even a Blakist can do the right thing once in a while.  Usually by accident...

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Their destruction has garnered a lot more discussion on these boards than much more significant events.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Decoy on 22 June 2011, 16:07:25
TBH, I have A LOT of trouble telling Jeremiah Rose apart from Loren Jaffreys and they kind of blur together in my mind. Too bad they haven't both met the same fate.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: JeremiahRose on 22 June 2011, 16:11:00
I find that this thread contains far too much nerd rage... on the side of agreeing with their fate and calling for more of the same.

I mean, really?
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Peacemaker on 22 June 2011, 16:12:56
I ain't enraged and I don't think anyone else is either.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Caesar Steiner for Archon on 22 June 2011, 16:18:54
Don't tell me we're back to "not liking something" = "personal attack."

I think most people greeted the Thorns dying with "Good, their novels were unreadably bad." That hardly qualifies as "rage." I'm not even sure what rage would look like in this scenario.

Maybe "RAR! (flips over a table) I AM SO MAD THE UNIT WON'T BE RECONSTITUTED SO THEY CAN BE SHOT INTO A STAR! RAR!"
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: JeremiahRose on 22 June 2011, 16:20:07
I ain't enraged and I don't think anyone else is either.

There's a lot of bloodlust, then ;-)

I mean, we're not talking about Greedo shooting first or Batman costumes with nipples on them... The Black Thorns is a much lesser offense, I think.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Caesar Steiner for Archon on 22 June 2011, 16:26:47
Did we read the same novel?
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Peacemaker on 22 June 2011, 16:27:00
There's a lot of bloodlust, then ;-)
This is a wargame we're talking about. There's bound to be a certain amount of bloodlust.

Quote
I mean, we're not talking about Greedo shooting first or Batman costumes with nipples on them... The Black Thorns is a much lesser offense, I think.
Well, that's where opinion comes into play.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Diplominator on 22 June 2011, 17:31:44
It is unclear if the Black Thorns were nuked, orbitally bombarded or died of the Galedon Plague. Their battlefield use is the same either way.

Hey, it matters! Salvage, man, salvage. Plagues leave 'Mechs intact.

So, y'know, in several decades RL-time, a few centuries in-game, we can have Neo-Blakists fighting the Draconis Dominion and the Niops Commonwealth with ancient machines carefully refurbished on planets that "dropped off the map" during the WoB Jihad, right before the Fifth Succession War and the Invasion of the Clan in the 3300s.

Man, that is weird to think about. Someday, TRO:3085 is gonna be the equivalent of TRO:3050 today. We'll have things like TRO:3085U, and some new format of record sheet, so the MUL we all have downloaded into our brains won't have things like the Flamberge or Targe, and people will rail against Catalyst's successor's successor's successor's successor's successor about releasing the MUL "before it's done."  And then Deathshadow's preserved consciousness, embittered by decades of forum hacks and silly complaints, will use the fully armed and operational MUL to incinerate the complainers' frontal lobes.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: haesslich on 22 June 2011, 20:17:44
Rage?  No.  A snort of amusement followed by a minute of laughter at the way their death was treated by the Powers That Be?  Yes.

Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: blackjack on 22 June 2011, 21:01:22
 :o We will all be shocked to find out that Mr Rose was a WOB mole & that the Thorns were secreted away before the nuking of the planet....... [AAAH]
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: bytor on 22 June 2011, 21:07:15
I find that this thread contains far too much nerd rage... on the side of agreeing with their fate and calling for more of the same.

I mean, really?

Not rage for sure but I'll bet there's a bandwagon that a couple folks have jumped on.   ;)
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Marveryn on 22 June 2011, 21:15:46
i actually like main event .. didn't like the title of D.R.T  thought that title was stupid but i was ok with the story and i shrug at the cover.  now with out of the way.  I didn't fall in love with this group unlike the Gray death legion that had me nearly tossing dying time clear across the room when i finish.  On top of that Jihad did cost plenty of merc to be destroy so this i found appropriate.    (am sure herb having official destroy them wont let any writer right a story that they were off galden when it got nuke, plague cause they where on there way to northwind to relief the blockade of northwind)
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Stormlion1 on 22 June 2011, 21:17:26
There dead, like the Grey Death Legion, there dead. Maybe someday in the distant future some archaeologist will find a half melted Warhawk on Galedons surface and it will end up in a museum where proof for all the universe will be seen that the Black Thorns died painfully.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: haesslich on 22 June 2011, 21:21:33
:o We will all be shocked to find out that Mr Rose was a WOB mole & that the Thorns were secreted away before the nuking of the planet....... [AAAH]

Well, to be fair, the main difference between Jeremiah Rose and a Blakist is he'd lost faith in Blake... ;)

There dead, like the Grey Death Legion, there dead. Maybe someday in the distant future some archaeologist will find a half melted Warhawk on Galedons surface and it will end up in a museum where proof for all the universe will be seen that the Black Thorns died painfully.

Nah.  The Warhawk belongs in a garbage heap if it's half-melted... or should be recycled.  No need to memorialize them that way.
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: MoneyLovinOgre4Hire on 22 June 2011, 23:32:21
TBH, I have A LOT of trouble telling Jeremiah Rose apart from Loren Jaffreys and they kind of blur together in my mind. Too bad they haven't both met the same fate.

Jaffrey might have switched sides too easily, but that's really something that we've seen happen on a fairly regular basis.  Unlike Rose he actually acted like he'd paid attention in military academy when the subject was anything other than "shooting stuff" and "shouting at people."
Title: Re: Information Update - The Black Thorns and Rubinsky's Light Horse
Post by: Hersh67 on 23 June 2011, 00:32:00
Well, to be fair, the main difference between Jeremiah Rose and a Blakist is he'd lost faith in Blake the toaster... ;)



There, it's fixed.