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Why did the Stiletto Never Grow Up?
« on: 24 September 2023, 19:53:16 »
I remember the former Fed Com-Halves not getting on, but did no-one have any love for their battle armor?
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Re: Why did the Stiletto Never Grow Up?
« Reply #1 on: 24 September 2023, 19:56:17 »
FedCom LCTs seem to prefer Helicopters and Hovers over Omnimechs to deploy their Battle Armor (which is reasonable for their combined arms philosophy).

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Re: Why did the Stiletto Never Grow Up?
« Reply #2 on: 24 September 2023, 20:39:07 »
Is this some sort of Lyran Battle Armor joke? I don’t get it.
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Re: Why did the Stiletto Never Grow Up?
« Reply #3 on: 24 September 2023, 22:39:35 »
FedCom civil war troubles (they didn’t sell to Katrina supporters, and then shortly after the civil war the WoB hit Coventry and took it over. It never had much of a chance to catch on in universe)
It was released right in ‘the dark times’
It’s not a good mech
The good variant looks silly
Other mechs have more attraction either as new new mechs or variants of classics
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Re: Why did the Stiletto Never Grow Up?
« Reply #4 on: 25 September 2023, 06:38:51 »
Is this some sort of Lyran Battle Armor joke? I don’t get it.

I thought it was a reference to the Stiletto not being developed into an omnimech, like a true Inner Sphere version of the Fire Falcon.
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Re: Why did the Stiletto Never Grow Up?
« Reply #5 on: 05 October 2023, 10:27:56 »
A lot of the 3067 mechs got kind of overlooked post-Civil War.
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Re: Why did the Stiletto Never Grow Up?
« Reply #6 on: 05 October 2023, 14:22:28 »
Apropos of nothing, I was reading FM: Lyran Alliance last night and noticed a blurb in the infantry section that, at least immediately post-secession, the LAAF was side lining battle armor, so having a fast omni to deliver them really wasn't a priority. Coupled with a general shift away from Omnis (see the Argus and Thanatos), the Stiletto was probably doomed to never see an omni version.
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Re: Why did the Stiletto Never Grow Up?
« Reply #7 on: 06 October 2023, 08:51:38 »
also worth noting that the main BA for the Lyrans is the Fenrir, a Quad that can't be carried by Omni's anyway. they have IS standard being built on Hesperus II by Defiance Industries.. but at the time Defiance was involved with with the whole third skye rebellion, which would have made shipments harder to distribute. (and of course small amounts of the Grey Death scout and standards.. but those were in very limited production at the time, mostly sold to mercs, and the company was going through hard times due to the deaths of the Grey Death Legion at that point)

combine that with the Fenrir being so new at the time, and the Lyrans probably didn't have enough mech-capable BA in general to consider BA transport a priority. especially when they were already producing plenty of Maxim hovertanks and other vehicle transports with the capacity to handle BA.

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« Reply #8 on: 06 October 2023, 15:01:39 »
The Lyrans also had access to all the TRO 3058 omnis already, due to either native production or importing them.
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Re: Why did the Stiletto Never Grow Up?
« Reply #9 on: 07 October 2023, 21:40:22 »
Apropos of nothing, I was reading FM: Lyran Alliance last night and noticed a blurb in the infantry section that, at least immediately post-secession, the LAAF was side lining battle armor, so having a fast omni to deliver them really wasn't a priority. Coupled with a general shift away from Omnis (see the Argus and Thanatos), the Stiletto was probably doomed to never see an omni version.
Those were both FS designs, they don't really have a lot of bearing on Lyran Mech development (the Hauptmann was developed in the LA at the same time, recall).
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« Reply #10 on: 07 October 2023, 22:28:23 »
Those were both FS designs, they don't really have a lot of bearing on Lyran Mech development (the Hauptmann was developed in the LA at the same time, recall).

The Hauptmann hit production a year before the Thanatos and two years before the Argus.  The Lyrans produced no new omnimechs after the Hauptmann until the Gauntlet, IIRC.
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Re: Why did the Stiletto Never Grow Up?
« Reply #11 on: 07 October 2023, 22:54:50 »

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Re: Why did the Stiletto Never Grow Up?
« Reply #12 on: 08 October 2023, 07:16:34 »
FedCom civil war troubles (they didn’t sell to Katrina supporters, and then shortly after the civil war the WoB hit Coventry and took it over. It never had much of a chance to catch on in universe)
It was released right in ‘the dark times’
It’s not a good mech
The good variant looks silly
Other mechs have more attraction either as new new mechs or variants of classics

Actually, most of the variants don’t seem too bad. The original model is a bit lacking in firepower, but otherwise, they seem to be fairly decent for speed and firepower for that size ‘Mech.

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Re: Why did the Stiletto Never Grow Up?
« Reply #13 on: 08 October 2023, 08:11:08 »
Actually, most of the variants don’t seem too bad. The original model is a bit lacking in firepower, but otherwise, they seem to be fairly decent for speed and firepower for that size ‘Mech.

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I agree the variants are good or at least better. But from my Sarna sluthing, there is a ten year gap between when the 4A and 4B came out, and the other ones came out.  2003 and 2013. It was released at the end of of battletech (at the time, and was given a short update before the rebirth).

It’s not one of the things I listed, imo it’s all of them combined.
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Re: Why did the Stiletto Never Grow Up?
« Reply #14 on: 08 October 2023, 11:13:13 »
it also doesn't help that the mini is gigantic. it's comically tall.

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Re: Why did the Stiletto Never Grow Up?
« Reply #15 on: 08 October 2023, 14:02:54 »
It's from back at the time when IWM's idea of "scale" was "something that does not exist."
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Re: Why did the Stiletto Never Grow Up?
« Reply #16 on: 08 October 2023, 14:44:29 »
it also doesn't help that the mini is gigantic. it's comically tall.
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Re: Why did the Stiletto Never Grow Up?
« Reply #17 on: 11 October 2023, 13:27:10 »
It's from back at the time when IWM's idea of "scale" was "something that does not exist."

it's the only light i have on a metal base because it will tip on a plastic one

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Re: Why did the Stiletto Never Grow Up?
« Reply #18 on: 11 October 2023, 14:53:42 »
it's the only light i have on a metal base because it will tip on a plastic one

Yeah, there were other light mech minis that were also poorly balanced, but none were quite so massive.  I'm pretty sure it outweights some of my assault mech minis.
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Re: Why did the Stiletto Never Grow Up?
« Reply #19 on: 12 October 2023, 16:32:12 »
To answer the thread question with a joke:

The BattleTech Gods said to Stiletto:  "Armor, Speed, Firepower.  Pick 2, and choose wisely."

Stiletto thought about it and said "how bout just a little bit of each, that'll work, right?"

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Re: Why did the Stiletto Never Grow Up?
« Reply #20 on: 18 October 2023, 23:09:22 »
To answer the thread question with a joke:

The BattleTech Gods said to Stiletto:  "Armor, Speed, Firepower.  Pick 2, and choose wisely."

Stiletto thought about it and said "how bout just a little bit of each, that'll work, right?"
Kind of this. Keep in mind that we're talking about a LIGHT 'Mech, which have a hard time making themselves as they want to go fast but can't match hovercraft, consider that I can put the same warload moving the same speed on the ever available Heavy Hover APC, which uses an ICE engine compared to the Light Engine in this thing and it's no wonder it didn't take off.