Author Topic: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64 (Read 285092 times)

drdaniel5 · « **Reply #540 on:** 27 November 2019, 22:20:18 »

I had a question about the Equipment rating modifiers, it says that in all the field manuals that each unit will have a letter grade for what sort of unit they are, A for elite, etc. For the life of me I can't find that info in the Clan field manuals. Do they just roll without the modifiers that these ratings would give?

VhenRa · « **Reply #541 on:** 28 November 2019, 02:13:40 »

Quote from: drdaniel5 on 27 November 2019, 22:20:18

I had a question about the Equipment rating modifiers, it says that in all the field manuals that each unit will have a letter grade for what sort of unit they are, A for elite, etc. For the life of me I can't find that info in the Clan field manuals. Do they just roll without the modifiers that these ratings would give?

Clanners used a different system. Keshik, Frontline, Secondline.

Jmlee236 · « **Reply #542 on:** 28 November 2019, 05:24:30 »

@ Frabby - I know where the RAT is. I'm saying the pages that show mech rarities by faction are gone. This release ONLY has the allocation tables.

Xotl · « **Reply #543 on:** 28 November 2019, 12:32:48 »

I haven't added them back in yet, as they'll take a bit more work. But a future release will have them.

Daryk · « **Reply #544 on:** 28 November 2019, 13:01:13 »

Thanks for the update Xotl! :thumbsup:

Haree78 · « **Reply #545 on:** 14 December 2019, 19:09:23 »

Xotl thank you very much for these tables, they are the kind of fantastic dedication that brings so much to the universe.

You may be interested to know I have implemented the tables within this mod for Harebrained's BattleTech video game: https://www.nexusmods.com/battletech/mods/387
It really brings a lot to the game and without your work it would be half the mod.

carlisimo · « **Reply #546 on:** 16 December 2019, 13:19:51 »

These tables have been a huge help because the reading it’d take to build a lore-appropriate list without them is daunting. The MUL’s great, but it just gives you too much. Thank you for making these.

If I can be picky, though… could variants of the same chassis be grouped together? (Stalker -4P aside, of course.) I’d have an easier time seeing how common a chassis was that way.

I live in Excel at work, so I could potentially help.

Xotl · « **Reply #547 on:** 17 December 2019, 18:47:04 »

Quote from: Haree78 on 14 December 2019, 19:09:23

Xotl thank you very much for these tables, they are the kind of fantastic dedication that brings so much to the universe.

You may be interested to know I have implemented the tables within this mod for Harebrained's BattleTech video game: https://www.nexusmods.com/battletech/mods/387
It really brings a lot to the game and without your work it would be half the mod.

That's awesome. Thanks for letting me know (and for linking to the original thread), and for the work you put into this. Looking forward to giving it a try when I get the chance. There will be one more small revision (there's an obscure St. Ives-only Vindicator variant I missed, but that's not going to change much on your end).

Quote from: carlisimo on 16 December 2019, 13:19:51

These tables have been a huge help because the reading it’d take to build a lore-appropriate list without them is daunting. The MUL’s great, but it just gives you too much. Thank you for making these.

If I can be picky, though… could variants of the same chassis be grouped together? (Stalker -4P aside, of course.) I’d have an easier time seeing how common a chassis was that way.

I live in Excel at work, so I could potentially help.

There's supposed to be a Faction Table section that gives Availability numbers for all tables and factions, grouping everything together alphabetically. Unfortunately it requires time I really don't have at the moment, so I released these tables prematurely. I may shoot you a PM if you're serious about putting it together: the data is already in Excel, so presumably someone who knows what they're doing (unlike myself, who just sort of kludges everything as best he can) could get it done quickly. Cheers.

carlisimo · « **Reply #548 on:** 08 January 2020, 15:01:39 »

Quote from: Xotl on 17 December 2019, 18:47:04

I may shoot you a PM if you're serious about putting it together: the data is already in Excel, so presumably someone who knows what they're doing (unlike myself, who just sort of kludges everything as best he can) could get it done quickly. Cheers.

I’m serious about it, so let me know at your leisure.

(I may have sent you a PM about it, but the PM interface doesn’t show any sign that I did. So I thought I’d post here.)

Daryk · « **Reply #549 on:** 08 January 2020, 21:33:07 »

You have to check a box for a PM to show up in your Sent Items...

BigDuke66 · « **Reply #550 on:** 09 January 2020, 20:08:06 »

Before anyone puts too much work into something. I redo my tables based on the current 10.3 version in the ODS format using LibreOffice Calc.
They should work flawless under Excel too but when I'm done someone needs to take a look at it if it really looks OK under Excel.

Xotl · « **Reply #551 on:** 10 January 2020, 00:50:32 »

Hey, BigDuke, great to see you around again. Looking forward to seeing your update. I started trying to get one done myself because your tables were so handy, but it foundered on a lack of time like so much else. Still, I should be done my dissertation in March and then theoretically have some measure of free time again.

Thanks all for the continued interest: it really brings a smile to my face.

BigDuke66 · « **Reply #552 on:** 10 January 2020, 09:38:29 »

Quote from: Xotl on 10 January 2020, 00:50:32

Hey, BigDuke, great to see you around again. Looking forward to seeing your update. I started trying to get one done myself because your tables were so handy, but it foundered on a lack of time like so much else. Still, I should be done my dissertation in March and then theoretically have some measure of free time again.

Thanks all for the continued interest: it really brings a smile to my face.

My pleasure.

I know what you mean, although this precious topic never slipped my attention my lack of time prohibited to work on the tables or contribute here like I did in the "old days".
I just took a look and almost 5 years ago a already promised on update the tables, back then for version 9. So I'm overdue to get a set of current tables out. Funny, back then I had problems with crashes and currently this happens again but at least very seldom, so I get ahead and hopefully have them done by the end of the weekend.

NeonKnight · « **Reply #553 on:** 10 January 2020, 09:53:18 »

Quote from: Xotl on 10 January 2020, 00:50:32

Still, I should be done my dissertation in March and then theoretically have some measure of free time again.

Congrats! Is this a for a Master's or a PHD, or just 'cause'

MarauderD · « **Reply #554 on:** 10 January 2020, 12:37:30 »

Quote from: Xotl on 10 January 2020, 00:50:32

Still, I should be done my dissertation in March and then theoretically have some measure of free time again.
Thanks all for the continued interest: it really brings a smile to my face.

Congrats indeed! Considering all the work and precision that you put into your RATS, I'm not the slightest bit surprised you have an academic background. Thanks again for your work for the community!

Daryk · « **Reply #555 on:** 10 January 2020, 16:56:33 »

+1 more congrats! And fear not... time will come back when retirement comes... four and a half more years for me!

Xotl · « **Reply #556 on:** 10 January 2020, 19:45:21 »

Quote from: NeonKnight on 10 January 2020, 09:53:18

Congrats! Is this a for a Master's or a PHD, or just 'cause'

For my PhD. And congrats are premature (as close as I'm going to get to superstition), but I'm so looking forward to this that I can't put it into words.

NeonKnight · « **Reply #557 on:** 10 January 2020, 20:40:47 »

Quote from: Xotl on 10 January 2020, 19:45:21

For my PhD. And congrats are premature (as close as I'm going to get to superstition), but I'm so looking forward to this that I can't put it into words.

Still...as someone with only a HS diploma...congrats indeed!!!

sendaiX · « **Reply #558 on:** 11 January 2020, 20:37:13 »

Im new to the forums but a long time BT player (as in Battledroids). Im in tech and would be willing to put some code behind these lists and tables to make them filterable and/or use them as data for generating OPFOR units and/or record sheets. I would just need to get the raw data in cvs or excel something machine readable. Thoughts?

Hammer · « **Reply #559 on:** 11 January 2020, 20:51:53 »

Quote from: sendaiX on 11 January 2020, 20:37:13

Im new to the forums but a long time BT player (as in Battledroids). Im in tech and would be willing to put some code behind these lists and tables to make them filterable and/or use them as data for generating OPFOR units and/or record sheets. I would just need to get the raw data in cvs or excel something machine readable. Thoughts?

The tables have been coded for use in Megamek and are available in machine readable files.

https://github.com/MegaMek/megamek/tree/master/megamek/data/rat/Unofficial

Ursus Maior · « **Reply #560 on:** 12 January 2020, 09:44:07 »

Quote from: Xotl on 10 January 2020, 19:45:21

For my PhD. And congrats are premature (as close as I'm going to get to superstition), but I'm so looking forward to this that I can't put it into words.

Then good speed and all the best for your final phase! From my own experience, I must say that the last phases are crazy, but ultimately they were the best experiences I had professionally. I got stuff done, I was sharp and the grades showed that. So, enjoy it and rock it! :)

BigDuke66 · « **Reply #561 on:** 17 January 2020, 12:11:42 »

Getting close to finishing the tables, so far found nothing to correct in the tables but maybe in the text passages.
- On page 5 there is ** behind the 3050 Steiner number but an explanation is missing below.
- On page 5 there are no numbers for Davion & Steiner for 3054, it's obvious why with the combination to the Federated Commonwealth, but still an explanation would be handy so no one thinks there is something missing by error.
- Page 58 could use an explanation why Steiner is the only one using separate A/B and C/D/F tables while all other houses use a single table.

BigDuke66 · « **Reply #562 on:** 17 January 2020, 22:46:16 »

ATTACHMENT removed, new tables to be found at post 571:
https://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=1219.msg1630769#msg1630769

Xotl · « **Reply #563 on:** 12 July 2020, 18:40:19 »

Okay, PhD done (warm thanks to Moonsword and Knightmare for the spiffy new custom forum rank), and a chance to catch up a bit. First, huge thanks to tables veteran BigDuke for making his spreadsheets available once more. I'll be adding those to the first post ASAP.

New version is up. One new mech is added: an obscure St. Ives Vindicator variant I missed. I also removed the Locust -1E from all non-Capellan tables, per the First Succession War historical (which makes it a post-Star League CapCon variant; I increased its AV in the CapCon markedly as a result).

I redid the table on page 5 (House regiment numbers) to note sources and double check numbers. The 3075 numbers (which I can't remember where I could have gotten them from) have been replaced with 3079 numbers taken from the Field Report series, and my 3057 non-canon estimates have been deleted as not really useful. (I also corrected the typo BigDuke noted).

Most importantly, I have also completely redone the CCAF 3057 tables. Originally I had assumed that their growth rate from 3054's 19 regiments to 3063's 44 regiments was part of a superfast growth spurt caused by Xin Shenanigans and Free Worlds sales. However, if I had bothered to reread Field Manual Capellan Confederation I would have seen that the vast majority of the "growth" comes from absorbing mercenaries and St. Ives units in the period 3060-3063, and that only four or so regiments are actually new. This means that a lot of the old Succession War leftovers that I had rendered extinct in the 3057 CCAF list should still be around, since they would not have actually been flooded out by new production as I originally assumed. As such, I've largely restored those machines to their 3050 totals, giving the 3057 CCAF lists a lot more variety.

As part of this, the Clint-3U has been added to the CapCon A/B tables (since there's now statistically surviving Clints there to be converted over). I also added a few of the -3U to the Steiner list, as I had missed that they re-entered production there in 3055.

That should be all the mech revisions, other than potential new variants in new products. The last revision that I definitely plan on completing should be restoring the faction lists. I have no ETA for this.

Daryk · « **Reply #564 on:** 12 July 2020, 19:31:26 »

Congrats on the PhD! 8)

And thanks for the update too! :thumbsup:

Frabby · « **Reply #565 on:** 13 July 2020, 00:22:20 »

Yeah, congrats on the PhD Dr. Xotl! :)

Great update to the project too.

"Xin Shenanigans"... I may adopt this phrase. ;D

Daryk · « **Reply #566 on:** 13 July 2020, 06:33:58 »

Something I just noticed: the Machine Gun variant of the Goblin is missing from the Kurita vehicle lists for 3028 and 3039...

Sartris · « **Reply #567 on:** 13 July 2020, 10:42:23 »

all hail dr. xotl! may his career be fruitful and path to tenure unobstructed!

GreekFire · « **Reply #568 on:** 13 July 2020, 11:40:59 »

An update to the god-tier RATs...truly we have been blessed on this holy day.

Frabby · « **Reply #569 on:** 13 July 2020, 12:51:08 »

Quote from: GreekFire on 13 July 2020, 11:40:59

An update to the god-tier RATs...truly we have been blessed on this holy day.

...even though Dr. Xotl is the gold standard here, it's still technically just Fanon. (Until CGL say otherwise.)