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[Minemech]

 The Federated Suns do have a history of being pragmatic in their mercenary hires. Really, the Combine is the least pragmatic state when it comes to mercenaries, as well as the one most likely to turn the sword to them. If the Big Mac is truly at least having some units go mercenary again, it would be an ingenious move to start there for that reason, to build bona fides. If they are not, something is up.

[Grizzly]

Some of the devs mentioned thinning out the CCAF back to parity with other houses armed forces. At least this way (Mccarron's defecting) helps achieve that without making a favorite unit unplayable.

I wonder if we'll hear about it in the Blood Will Tell sequel, and if we'll hear from Lindsey Baxter again.

[VensersRevenge]

The Federated Suns do have a history of being pragmatic in their mercenary hires. Really, the Combine is the least pragmatic state when it comes to mercenaries, as well as the one most likely to turn the sword to them. If the Big Mac is truly at least having some units go mercenary again, it would be an ingenious move to start there for that reason, to build bona fides. If they are not, something is up.

There's pragmatism, and there's hiring a unit that has committed warcrimes for generations against the Capellan March. Especially with tensions between the March Lords and Julian being as high as they are, it would be a mistake to add even more tension to it, especially when you have to assume there are Mask spies as BrianDavion pointed out.

[BrianDavion]

Carrying on with the spy concern, the MAC where for a good long time, nearly a century by 3152, the premier military formation of the CCAF.

TRO 3145 describes their reputation as "Their reputation for stubborn tenacity, zealous loyalty, and
successful results"

So, Imagine you're in charge of the AFFS, 5 regiments of capellan troops FAMED FOR THEIR LOYALTY show up on yoiur doorstep and claim they wanna work for you, you gonna trust them? Or are you going to remember when happened the last time capellan troops where offered to garrison a fedsuns world (Tikonov in the FCCW, the capellans annexed the planet)

[Templar87]

There's pragmatism, and there's hiring a unit that has committed warcrimes for generations against the Capellan March. Especially with tensions between the March Lords and Julian being as high as they are, it would be a mistake to add even more tension to it, especially when you have to assume there are Mask spies as BrianDavion pointed out.

Forget £generations", that was gleefully committing atrocities up and down the Capellan March less than three years ago (in-universe), and Daoshen just executed the least war crime-y MAC regimental commander (Gwendolyn Vaughan, 5 MAC's CO) for a bunch of stuff that's his own damn fault.

[Minemech]

 The Northwind Highlanders were zealous and highly regarded line units for the CCAF until the 4th.

[Angrii]

I wonder if we'll hear about it in the Blood Will Tell sequel, and if we'll hear from Lindsey Baxter again.

There's going to be a sequel? Exciting!

[VensersRevenge]

The Northwind Highlanders were zealous and highly regarded line units for the CCAF until the 4th.

There's a difference between zealous and highly regarded and actively hostile to the state in question. Both the Davion Brigade of Guards and the Syrtis Fusiliers are highly zealous and well regarded, but I'm willing to bet the Capellans would be much more comfortable working with the Guards.

[Minemech]

 In the case of the Confederation, it really depends on who is in charge. With Maximilian he really would not have cared who the unit was, or of its reputation because he was stylized to be exceedingly masterful at his manipulations before the Fourth. The Fourth was his loss.

 Romano would simply have them killed.

 I could similarly see Sun-Tzu being pragmatic if it suited him, but would establish barriers that Maximilian likely would not have.

 With Daoshen, he would probably find ways to use them whilst deciding between granting them citizenship or servitorship while they were doing his dirty work. He would be more apt to out-doublecross them in the end.

[BrianDavion]

There's a difference between zealous and highly regarded and actively hostile to the state in question. Both the Davion Brigade of Guards and the Syrtis Fusiliers are highly zealous and well regarded, but I'm willing to bet the Capellans would be much more comfortable working with the Guards.

yeah no, if the Davion Brigade of guards defected and tried to go emrcenary I'd fully expect NO ONE to hire them eaither :P

[Minemech]

Na, the Lyran Commonwealth would hire them in a hurry. Frankly in their shape, I would not be surprised if they were sending agents to Tortuga Prime (Well that is hyperbolic, but not so much).

[Kerfuffin(925)]

Vastly upsetting as the MAC are my Capellan brigade 

[Angrii]

It's always possible they won't leave wholesale. Maybe there will be a schism with certain elements staying behind; those loyal to Danai, perhaps?

[Spirit Cat Refugee]

It's always possible they won't leave wholesale. Maybe there will be a schism with certain elements staying behind; those loyal to Danai, perhaps?

Any that stay will be suspect and probably executed by Daoshen in his egomania.

[VensersRevenge]

Romano Liao didn't kill the Northwind Highlanders who stayed, and she was at least as vicious and unstable as Daoshen, so I don't think it's a guarantee.

[BrianDavion]

I imagine if any stay behind they'll get a "rebrand" to "Confederation Armored Cavalry" or something.
Hell it's possiable that Daoshen provokes the Mutiny by ATTEMPTING to force a rename "well Danai is in charge now, and thus the brigade is to be named the 'Liao Armored Cavalry"

[Grizzly]

It's always possible they won't leave wholesale. Maybe there will be a schism with certain elements staying behind; those loyal to Danai, perhaps?

Yes I've been wondering if the 2nd MAC will stay while the other four regiments defect. Danai seems to have a cult of personality so it's likely enough.

[Baldur Mekorig]

What we know of the status of the factories in Victoria?

Historical: Wars of the Republic Era tells us that all facilities were in ruins for one reason or another (Shengli, Trellis Electronics and Earthwerks). We know by other products that the FS sold what remained of Shengli to Kallon, that produced a number of FS mechs like Shadow Hawks, Jagermechs and Penetrators, and apparently after the CC retook the planet, the facility was renamed Shengli again (as per Shrapnel #12 Jinggau entry). Kallon was also making the Paladin Defense System.

Now, i can imagine Trellis Electronics beign rebuild to produce stuff for the Kallon lines. But....what happened to Earthwerk´s lines? They used to build the Flea, but MUL does not show any Flea model beign used by the FS. We know that Earthwerks was also building the Flea in Grand Base, so....we can assume that the Victoria facility was destroyed, or, if it was rebuild, its building Fleas for the mercenary market?

[Metallgewitter]

Page 63 of the Republic wars states "The factories were returned to functionality in the next decade". So the assumption should be that all factories were churning out material again. Though as you suggest some perhaps only for mercenary markets.

[glitterboy2098]

also possible that when they rebuilt them, they retooled them for some other mech design.

[tassa_kay]

From FM3145: "When the Haseks drove the Capellans from Vic

also possible that when they rebuilt them, they retooled them for some other mech design.

Given that the rebuild Shengli factories were doing just that, that's the most logical assumption.

[Baldur Mekorig]

also possible that when they rebuilt them, they retooled them for some other mech design.

Update: Looks like Earthwerks´s Victoria facility survived, and was, at least, building the Crosscut Loggermech and MODs for it (TRO Irregulars). Whats gives me some doubs, mostly because english is not my main language and maybe dont get the full meaning, is this fragment:

A more elaborate refit employs one of the many surplus GM 120 engines left over from endless “bug-’Mech” production. Performed only when a spare reactor is available, this MOD equips a powerful extended range large laser.

It talks about "many surplus GM 120 engines left over", but later says "when a spare reactor is avaible"....so, Earthwerks Victoria have a surplus of GM 120 engines, but they are using them for "something" and only when there is a spare the create the Crosscut MOD?

[truetanker]

General Motors are making the 120 on Victoria because of the Flea productions. Either the OG 17 or the updated 19 models.

Victoria

UPDATE: It looks like the Crosscut MOD is the E variant, not the A as listed, when talking about the "large laser". Which would be used like the old Panther-10K, creating 1 extra heat point and not enough to effectively cool down before you have to disengage, otherwise Stackpole happens?

TT

[Angrii]

We know Warrior House Ijori changed their paint scheme to camouflage as a mark of shame after the Black May incident, but do we know if that's still the case after their reformation in the Dark Age? I want to say yes because camo suits their new SOP i.e. ambush/infiltration but what do others think?

[tassa_kay]

We know Warrior House Ijori changed their paint scheme to camouflage as a mark of shame after the Black May incident, but do we know if that's still the case after their reformation in the Dark Age? I want to say yes because camo suits their new SOP i.e. ambush/infiltration but what do others think?

I couldn’t find anything to the contrary, and my first impulse was the same as yours: it’s likely the same because of the nature of their reformation and how they operate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think it could go either way. Keeping to camo certainly feels right given their MO, no argument. But Black May was a long time passed by the time they were reformed, and that reformation always felt a little pageantry-like as it reads in FM3145- using the survivors of the resistance to form a new Warrior House and rebasing them to Liao, quite the propaganda coup. I could easily see them wearing something other than camo to fit into that. Though at the same time, I'd note the sole example Ijori mini on CSO seems to have brown and beige camo with green-silver accents, so the answer to camo or classic could just as easily be "both."