Keeping Pledge Manager open past Feb 9th for a week or two more.

[cobaltcoil]

Starting a Poll to see how many people would be interested in seeing the pledge manager kept open for a week or two past the Feb. 9th closing date since the shipping on wave one has been pushed back. This will allow people to use tax refund money to get more stuff from the kickstarter if they so choose. This may also serve to let the PTB see how much interest there is in this, so they can consider it in their decision about extending the pledge manager for a week or two more.

[Insaniac99]

I voted no for two reasons.

1: I don't believe this poll will affect their decision significantly

2: If it does, this sets up a moving target as the order they have to make could increase at any moment up until the pledge manager is closed.  It is better to close it and have the target they need to hit known and eliminate that as a possible source of delays.

[cobaltcoil]

That's fair  Insaniac99, but as they are pushing shipping on wave one back at least 45 days already, a one or two week extension of the pledge manager will have little effect on shipping and will allow people to use tax refund money to buy more items from the kickstarter rather than waiting for the pledge manager to open again during wave two shipping when they may have used their tax refunds for other stuff in the interim.

[Asgo]

That's fair  Insaniac99, but as they are pushing shipping on wave one back at least 45 days already, a one or two week extension of the pledge manager will have little effect on shipping and will allow people to use tax refund money to buy more items from the kickstarter rather than waiting for the pledge manager to open again during wave two shipping when they may have used their tax refunds for other stuff in the interim.

I am against anything that delays the closing date. They have a boat load of manual stuff to do after it is closed with the whole char business and giving them the time to do so in peace will be appreciated by any backer who needs a back and forth to solve some issues. Also, the delay on the mini side is bonus time on the other stuff which should be used as additional buffer and not artificially reduced.
And when saying that that one or two weeks don't matter for CG, well that should be equally true for people expecting a tax refund. If you are expecting one, you usually have a good idea of the size and can spend money with that in mind in advance without any issues as the money would come back in said one or two weeks anyway.

[carlisimo]

I voted yes only because I haven't gotten my Star Colonel canon character survey yet and am getting nervous that a lot of us won't have received it, and therefore our credit if we choose that, before the 2/9 deadline.  It's going slowly (somewhat understandably) for people who upgraded levels during the pledge manager or joined as late backers.

[Fat Guy]

It might be better for a few of us.

It will make things more difficult for Catalyst.

It's time to move on.

[ActionButler]

It might be better for a few of us.

It will make things more difficult for Catalyst.

It's time to move on.

This is the correct answer.

[Weirdo]

Concur with those who voted no. At some point you've just got to accept that any further purchases will just have to wait until Wave 2 and/or retail, and the sooner CGL and the distributors can lock things in and start whatever planning and processes are waiting on that, the fewer delays we'll have on that end.

[Cache]

No. Do not intentionally interrupt anything on the schedule. There will be enough unintentional interruptions and CGL doesn't need more complications.

Most items will be available retail when the KS is over. If you haven't already budgeted properly, spend your pocket money now on exclusives and spend your tax returns when the rest hits retail.

[ArchonDan]

I voted no for all the reasons already listed above.

[nckestrel]

I voted yes, but now I want to vote no. :)

The major reason for voting yes was to give more time for people to get the character credits taken care of.  but short of people trying to flip refunds into more refunds, I hope Feb 9th is enough time to sort through those already.
I don't actually want a big(ger) influx of money and more items.  As they said in the update, most of the non-mini Wave 1 items are done/nearly done. Significant changes to those orders could be an issue. And if the differences are insignificant, then there's no need to change.

[MarauderCH IIC]

I want to vote yes because I could then likely finish off what I want to get with my refund but that's stuff I already didn't expect to get until wave 2 anyways. I also added a star colonel pledge to my first one and waiting for the character form for that. I'm hoping to add a third star colonel with the two character pledges denied from the first two. I want to get that third one in so it all shifts in wave 1

[Colt Ward]

I voted no for two reasons.

1: I don't believe this poll will affect their decision significantly

2: If it does, this sets up a moving target as the order they have to make could increase at any moment up until the pledge manager is closed.  It is better to close it and have the target they need to hit known and eliminate that as a possible source of delays.

Agreed

[Sartris]

voted no. any further delay, no matter if proportionally minor compared to the overall delay, might have unforeseen consequences that ripple into yet further delays.

[VensersRevenge]

Voted no, same reason as Sartris. And if the manufacturing company pulls of a miracle, I don't want this to counteract it.

[SteelRaven]

No. We have been given plenty time, stretching it out longer will just make it more difficult for everyone involved. I'm honestly surprised the KS has been as flexible as is.

[monbvol]

I voted no for another reason, my wallet can't sustain pledging more and to be honest I'm already having trouble not buying add ons as I'm quite a few Pumas short to make the trinary I want to make and I'm not sure I'd be able to stop myself from getting Why Yeh(one of my more insane character concepts that actually became even more fun the more I evolved him) canonized at this point.

[Cubby]

The major reason for voting yes was to give more time for people to get the character credits taken care of.

If you mean the canon character survey, that's completely independent of the pledge manager system and can be closed (or re-opened) separately.

[nckestrel]

If you mean the canon character survey, that's completely independent of the pledge manager system and can be closed (or re-opened) separately.

Time for people to get their KS credit and use it for wave 1.

[Fear Factory]

I haven't gotten my credit yet (canon character). I plan on using it for some of the box set miniatures. Is this credit going to come soon?

[Sartris]

they said there was no guarantee it would hit before the 9th

[Fear Factory]

So I get a credit after the 9th, and because I chose to have it apply to the kickstarter, I can't modify anything and they keep the money?

[Sartris]

for wave 1. when they reopen it for wave 2, you'll have the money.

[Fear Factory]

for wave 1. when they reopen it for wave 2, you'll have the money.

Ok. That's fine with me. I just know Kickstarter has a way of messing that stuff up.

[Thatguybil]

No
I don’t want to give them a reason or excuses for missing deadlines.

[Talen5000]

Starting a Poll to see how many people would be interested in seeing the pledge manager kept open for a week or two past the Feb. 9th closing date since the shipping on wave one has been pushed back. This will allow people to use tax refund money to get more stuff from the kickstarter if they so choose. This may also serve to let the PTB see how much interest there is in this, so they can consider it in their decision about extending the pledge manager for a week or two more.

I would like to vote yes, but I feel "no" is the correct choice.

There is, I think, a slight possibility the manager may be reopened for a short period for Wave Two, but for now I feel it is more important to close it off and get the ball rolling rather than risk further delays.

Which isn't impossible, given the virus and other factors. Even this refit at the factory may be delayed longer than expected.

I say this as there are still add ons I would love to get...the patches and pins, some of the dice sets, some of the books, etc...and so I wouldn't cry if it stayed open for another two or three months ;) but overall, I feel it best for the project to draw a line and get everything finalised.

[General308]

pretty decisive polling numbers on this one

[carlisimo]

pretty decisive polling numbers on this one

Yeah, everyone who hasn't had issues voted one way, and everyone waiting for action on CGL/CrowdOx's end voted yes.

[DarkISI]

Yeah, everyone who hasn't had issues voted one way, and everyone waiting for action on CGL/CrowdOx's end voted yes.

Or, you know ... you could the really good arguments brought forward for a no.
Something I haven't seen brought up: CGL might simply not be able to keep it open any longer. The other manufacturers have them lined up for production and reserved a production window. Extending the Pledge Manager might mean they would lose those windows and have to fall back into line, causing massive delays for all the stuff that is not delayed.

[carlisimo]

Or, you know ... you could the really good arguments brought forward for a no.
Something I haven't seen brought up: CGL might simply not be able to keep it open any longer. The other manufacturers have them lined up for production and reserved a production window. Extending the Pledge Manager might mean they would lose those windows and have to fall back into line, causing massive delays for all the stuff that is not delayed.

I don’t dispute that the stated reasons for voting “no” are good ones. 

Whether they could keep it open has been loosely discussed in the KS Update comments, with Talon saying he didn’t see why not, after going over the status of all the product types, with the caveat that it wasn’t a change they could make lightly.  That was a first impressions sort of reaction, not based on complete information and not something I’d hold them to.  But it was good news to a lot of us.

One decent argument against giving a crap about people who haven’t gotten their character surveys yet is that, at Star Colonel and above, you’re probably getting Wave 2 items so it doesn’t matter if you opt for credits now or later.  An update specifically about re-opening the PM during Wave 2 and what happens to money you leave on the table now would be helpful; a lot of useful information is scattered in update comments or the general KS comments thread.

Anyway, I did get my survey this past weekend (I upgraded to Star Colonel in mid-November), so my situation is settled.  If they can get through everybody who didn’t upgrade at the last minute, great, we’ll stop whining.