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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #30 on: 13 June 2019, 13:37:33 »

Will there also be other payment options (such as paypal)?
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #31 on: 13 June 2019, 13:38:35 »
Any idea on price points?

So are these the lance/star packs IN the box or are they something that rolls out separately?  Just trying to figure out my order for Marauders, Warhammers, Phoenix Hawks, Timber Wolves and Nova Cat?

Price points to be unveiled upon the launch. (I think.) Weighing the value of letting people plan their purchases against not overwhelming them with info ahead of when they can actually spend.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #32 on: 13 June 2019, 13:38:41 »
Setting the Lance packs as Stretch goals is brilliant lol.  Tempt us dirty IS 3025 folks into supporting the cleaners by dangling Marauders and Archers in front of us lol.

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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #33 on: 13 June 2019, 13:40:03 »
Cubby, I think there's something wrong with the Kickstarter.

I just threw my wallet at the screen and nothing happened. 
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #34 on: 13 June 2019, 13:40:12 »
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So are these the lance/star packs IN the box or are they something that rolls out separately?  Just trying to figure out my order for Marauders, Warhammers, Phoenix Hawks, Timber Wolves and Nova Cat?

Lance/star packs are separate products from the Clan Invasion base box. Unlocked separately. Your backer level will allow you to select X number of packs from the Y that have been unlocked; those that have been unlocked will also be purchase-able individually as add-ons.

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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #35 on: 13 June 2019, 13:41:33 »
Will there also be other payment options (such as paypal)?

I assume so? I think payment can be done in a variety of ways, based on the couple of other KS's I've personally backed.

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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #36 on: 13 June 2019, 13:52:33 »
For those not familiar with Kickstarter and its terms, here's a fictional example:

I am Catalyst, and want to produce a BattleFace box, and decide to Kickstart it. I determine that it will cost me $100,000 to get a full production run made. I set up the website on Kickstarter, and essentially tell folks that enough people pledge money that it totals $100,000, the box will get made. (Note: The money is only charged at the end of the Kickstarter. If not enough money is pledged by the time the Kickstarter ends, no money is charged at all, and the box doesn't get made.)

The Kickstarter goes live, and progresses well, with plenty of pledges.  Since it looks like the interest is there, I start setting up stretch goals. I tell folks that if we reach $150,000 in pledges, the extra money will go towards making the rulebook hardcover instead of paperback. If we reach $200,000, the plain dice will be made of endo steel. If we reach $1,000,000, each box will contain a flute carved from the leg bones of my enemies, and so forth.

Note: the above is an entirely FICTIONAL example.

Right now, the main product is looking to be the Clan Box, of which the Mad Cat is the only confirmed mini out of five. The additional lance and star boxes are stretch goals, that will only happen if the campaign exceeds its goalby a certain amount. It is entirely possible for us to get the Clan box, but no Marauder box.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #37 on: 13 June 2019, 14:01:59 »
Wait, so to get the IS mechs I want, I have to pay for Clan mechs? Indeed, if enough people fail to pony of the money, we won't see the IS mechs (and some of them are damned iconic to boot), perhaps at all?
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #38 on: 13 June 2019, 14:05:07 »
That's almost certainly the idea. Kickstarters are exactly what the name implies - a way to get the initial funding, and kickstart the production process. I imagine it's up to the profits from the first production run to fund further runs.

the BEST kickstarters are the ones where  Product Development is complete and the need for funding centers around manufacture and distribution, especially if you got an initial manufacturing quote. (there is always adjustments to be made, so that does not mean amazon cuts a check to company X and manufacturing immediately starts)

so this is a good fit in theory.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #39 on: 13 June 2019, 14:06:05 »
Wait, so to get the IS mechs I want, I have to pay for Clan mechs? Indeed, if enough people fail to pony of the money, we won't see the IS mechs (and some of them are damned iconic to boot), perhaps at all?

Correct. But let's be honest. Given the enthusiasm of this forum's membership alone, I'm not very worried about a lack of Marada.

Note: It is possible to support the Clan Box without actually buying one. You'll see when the actual kickstarter goes live.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #40 on: 13 June 2019, 14:07:55 »
Correct. But let's be honest. Given the enthusiasm of this forum's membership alone, I'm not very worried about a lack of Marada.
We'll see. In any case, it seems a bit too much like holding the icons hostage to me.

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I would hope so. No experience with kickstarter. Mostly because I refuse to preorder stuff.
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« Reply #41 on: 13 June 2019, 14:09:02 »
Hey folks. I’ll start going through this thread and clarify where warranted. But the announcement is pretty much it for now.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #42 on: 13 June 2019, 14:09:49 »
We'll see. In any case, it seems a bit too much like holding the icons hostage to me.

At this point, the alternative is no Kickstarter and no more classic mechs until CGL can generate the necessary revenue from selling other products, which is just as much of a crapshoot as the Kickstarter. 
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #43 on: 13 June 2019, 14:10:17 »
I’ll start going through this thread and clarify where warranted.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #44 on: 13 June 2019, 14:13:39 »
We'll see. In any case, it seems a bit too much like holding the icons hostage to me.

To get anything about the Clans, we have typically had to buy the books covering everything since they are appealing to the whole fanbase- you know like Field Manual Updates, TRO3150 with its IS/Periphery designs, etc . . .

Simply, its been the established practice to put both together to increase appeal in a product.
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« Reply #45 on: 13 June 2019, 14:19:00 »
To get anything about the Clans, we have typically had to buy the books covering everything since they are appealing to the whole fanbase- you know like Field Manual Updates, TRO3150 with its IS/Periphery designs, etc . . .
When was the last time you had to buy IS mechs to get Clan mechs? Or vice-versa?

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There is a massive difference between fluff pieces and models. The record sheets are available in Clan-only or IS-only packs, there are the MULs for availability, and BV for your games.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #46 on: 13 June 2019, 14:19:33 »
Though, what changed the stance on the Kickstarter? I thought the last stance that Catalyst had was a firm "we're not interested in that option".
what stance? A lot of people take it upon themselves to answer on CGLs behalf. You’d have to ask them. This is a long time coming. Not as a result of some KS thread (which I mostly steered clear of), or looking at the work Anthony has been doing and going “hey, this gives us an idea…” (Logic it out. It’s the other way around.)

Can we kickstart some sort of plot advancement?
That’s funny. Yeah, if that would make any money.

Any idea on price points?

So are these the lance/star packs IN the box or are they something that rolls out separately?  Just trying to figure out my order for Marauders, Warhammers, Phoenix Hawks, Timber Wolves and Nova Cat?
Can’t get into price points right now.
The Kickstarter is for the Clan Invasion Box (which contains a star). Everything else…stretch goal add ons.

I'm curious,  after the Kickstarter, is the plan for these to be available for stores to order? Because I know that's going to be a question my local game store is going to ask.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #47 on: 13 June 2019, 14:22:46 »
When was the last time you had to buy IS mechs to get Clan mechs? Or vice-versa?

Clan players bought into the Alpha Strike Lance Packs hoping to get something like this- on the 'maybe, if it does well' line.  Since the details are not out about how its structured its a bit early to be urinating on the latest effort- especially when every other product like it before cater'd to your preferences b/c that was the 'entry point.'
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #48 on: 13 June 2019, 14:23:32 »
what stance? A lot of people take it upon themselves to answer on CGLs behalf. You’d have to ask them. This is a long time coming. Not as a result of some KS thread (which I mostly steered clear of), or looking at the work Anthony has been doing and going “hey, this gives us an idea…” (Logic it out. It’s the other way around.)

Just to echo what Adrian is saying here, I'm Not CGL, but I heard whispers of this at MechCon last year/December 2018, so, I know it was likely discussed months prior to that (maybe even predating GenCon 2018)
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« Reply #49 on: 13 June 2019, 14:24:57 »
Clan players bought into the Alpha Strike Lance Packs hoping to get something like this- on the 'maybe, if it does well' line.  Since the details are not out about how its structured its a bit early to be urinating on the latest effort- especially when every other product like it before cater'd to your preferences b/c that was the 'entry point.'
They bought them *hoping*. They were not told "this, or (probably) nothing." Come on.

And don't presume to know my preferences. You're barking up the wrong tree as it is.

EDIT: I might have missed it in the thread, but if the KS is off at July 17, how long will it run before they call it, win or lose?
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« Reply #50 on: 13 June 2019, 14:26:09 »
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« Reply #51 on: 13 June 2019, 14:31:28 »
EDIT: I might have missed it in the thread, but if the KS is off at July 17, how long will it run before they call it, win or lose?

wasn't in the announcement but KS efforts can run anywhere between one and sixty days. Kickstarter themselves recommend 30 days or less.

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« Reply #52 on: 13 June 2019, 14:31:55 »
wasn't in the announcement but KS efforts can run anywhere between one and sixty days. Kickstarter themselves recommend 30 days or less.

https://help.kickstarter.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005128434-What-is-the-maximum-project-duration-
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #53 on: 13 June 2019, 14:33:36 »
Guys. Take that crap out of here please. Thanks.

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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #54 on: 13 June 2019, 14:37:46 »
Wait, so to get the IS mechs I want, I have to pay for Clan mechs? Indeed, if enough people fail to pony of the money, we won't see the IS mechs (and some of them are damned iconic to boot), perhaps at all?
(I started off needlessly long winded here, thought better to delete all that and cut to the chase) You can participate in this Kickstarter and work towards unlocking the IS Mechs without having to buy a single clan mini. More details once we launch. 

I might have missed it in the thread, but if the KS is off at July 17, how long will it run before they call it, win or lose?
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #55 on: 13 June 2019, 14:38:54 »
The months notice is well appreciated, I have all ready  lost my trial of possession for my wallet to you. Well bargained and done catalyst.
 
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #56 on: 13 June 2019, 14:41:13 »
oh my lord, this is absolutely stunning news. I cannot wait!

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« Reply #57 on: 13 June 2019, 14:49:49 »
While the immediate reaction to this news seems like an awfully great indication of success, for my own information (because I have never Kickstarted anything) what happens in the unfortunate even that it does not get fully funded?  Do backers get their money back? Or does the promised money not get collected UNTIL a project is successfully funded?

I apologize for my complete lack of understanding of the process. If there is a Kickstarter FAQ somewhere where all of this is explained in very simple, small words that even I can understand, just point the way.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #58 on: 13 June 2019, 14:51:49 »
While the immediate reaction to this news seems like an awfully great indication of success, for my own information (because I have never Kickstarted anything) what happens in the unfortunate even that it does not get fully funded?  Do backers get their money back? Or does the promised money not get collected UNTIL a project is successfully funded?

I apologize for my complete lack of understanding of the process. If there is a Kickstarter FAQ somewhere where all of this is explained in very simple, small words that even I can understand, just point the way.

You don't pay anything unless it funds. Basically, we don't run anyone's card (so to speak) until the goal is reached.
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« Reply #59 on: 13 June 2019, 14:55:04 »
You don't pay anything unless it funds. Basically, we don't run anyone's card (so to speak) until the goal is reached.

Awesome! Thanks for the clarification, Cubby. 
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