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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #510 on: 13 July 2019, 12:54:24 »
That art isn't an improvement. The missile launchers are still ludicrously big. Really, consider the Longbow or Mad Cat and their missile launchers, and all three designs use LRMs.

The Yeoman's design is beyond any redemption.

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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #511 on: 13 July 2019, 13:15:25 »


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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #512 on: 13 July 2019, 13:20:13 »
I'll sell Yeoman scrap to Lyrans rather than use them.

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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #513 on: 13 July 2019, 16:02:06 »
Probably a good thing for you it won't be showing up in this kickstarter then

I'd like a crossbow, fenris,  kingfisher, MAYBE a vulture and a huntsman. I'd expect a Kit Fox in there somewhere, that's a Jade Falcon staple.

I'd really like a variant parts sprue in each box. That one is as unlikely as a Yeoman or HellCheese, but I still want them.

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« Reply #514 on: 13 July 2019, 16:15:11 »
Actually, an sprue with various weapon bits would be pretty cool.  I don't see it showing up in the main box since it would only be useful for people with some modeling experience, but I could totally see it as an add on.  Wouldn't even care if it wasn't plastic.
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« Reply #515 on: 13 July 2019, 16:47:43 »
I hope that adding more 'Mechs to the Clan box is a stretch goal, as 5 'Mechs for the cost of the Starter Box is kind of a big ask.

Plus if it goes up to 10 'Mechs then you can play Star v Star right out of the box.

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« Reply #516 on: 13 July 2019, 20:55:13 »
I hope that adding more 'Mechs to the Clan box is a stretch goal, as 5 'Mechs for the cost of the Starter Box is kind of a big ask.

Plus if it goes up to 10 'Mechs then you can play Star v Star right out of the box.

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I could be wrong, but I don't think cost has been revealed yet. It would make sense to me that it will be somewhere between AGoAC and the beginner box, closer to the former.

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« Reply #517 on: 13 July 2019, 21:27:22 »
I could be wrong, but I don't think cost has been revealed yet. It would make sense to me that it will be somewhere between AGoAC and the beginner box, closer to the former.

$50 USD for the Clan Box has been officially quoted, so you're right, it is between the $20 USD of the Beginner Box Set and the $60 USD of the AGoAC Box Set, but closer to that latter bigger main box...

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« Reply #518 on: 13 July 2019, 21:54:32 »
Well maybe they'll out the Beginner Box/Game of Armoured Combat on as add-on's for the KS. And the map sheets. :)

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« Reply #519 on: 13 July 2019, 21:58:40 »
$50 USD for the Clan Box has been officially quoted, so you're right, it is between the $20 USD of the Beginner Box Set and the $60 USD of the AGoAC Box Set, but closer to that latter bigger main box...
High considering it only has 5/8 the minis and we're footing the development costs, but figure that they aren't cutting the profit margin as thin and other factors *Looks at rule 4* and it isn't completely out of line.

Where was that mention, and were there estimates on the lance/star packs?
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #520 on: 13 July 2019, 22:05:09 »
Bit high considering it only has 5/8 the minis and we're footing the development costs, but figure that they aren't cutting the profit margin as thin and other factors *Looks at rule 4* and it isn't completely out of line.

Where was that mention, and were there estimates on the lance/star packs?

It is mentioned towards the bottom of page 13 of this same thread, Cubby made an official announcement a week out from the beginning of the Kickstarter.

There is no mention of the costs for Lance or Star packs.

Also, for Kickstarter pledgers, that $50 Pledge Level for the Clan Invasion Box *MAY* include other stuff if CGL follows the common Kickstarter theme of adding extra content to the Pledge Levels through the reaching of stretch goals...that also may very well not happen too...either way, I'm comfortable with the price...

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« Reply #521 on: 14 July 2019, 02:15:44 »
Aye same here RE being comfortable with the price. And yeah whilst the lore is 'only' 16 pages. There's so much lore that to include more to give a proper breadth and depth to the setting would require a tome. Folks who are not that aquainted with the setting forget that this game has a greater depth of detail and more bits and bobs than 40k, the lore goes deeper and goes from the most massive of scope down to what hobbies a leader might like to do when not running an interstellar empire.

And compared to say 40k, $50.00 for a box set isn't bad by any standards. With 40k its a case of "I could buy a tank. Or I could use the same money to buy food for a week." if you want to get something like a Monolith or Devilfish or something.
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« Reply #522 on: 14 July 2019, 09:15:48 »
And compared to say 40k, $50.00 for a box set isn't bad by any standards. With 40k its a case of "I could buy a tank. Or I could use the same money to buy food for a week." if you want to get something like a Monolith or Devilfish or something.
Except with a 40K starter box (and the current BTech one for that matter) you can play a game right out of the box.

A Game of Armoured Combat gives you 2 Lances. This box gives you one Star.

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« Reply #523 on: 14 July 2019, 09:23:09 »
This box gives you one Star.

Well, it is billed as an expansion. It also adds Clan tech, new maps, cardboard markers for additional 'Mechs (like AGOAC), plus it is probably posited as "two lances of the original box vs a star of Clan 'Mechs" (Sartris noted earlier that BV-balanced game with these 'Mechs is quite possible).
Fit reasonably "expansion" styling, i think.

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« Reply #524 on: 14 July 2019, 09:24:48 »
Except with a 40K starter box (and the current BTech one for that matter) you can play a game right out of the box.

A Game of Armoured Combat gives you 2 Lances. This box gives you one Star.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #525 on: 14 July 2019, 10:40:28 »
You should be able to do a trial of position with what's in the box. :thumbsup:

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« Reply #526 on: 14 July 2019, 11:57:41 »
important question:  Any early bird bonuses?

Hoping there isn't.
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« Reply #527 on: 14 July 2019, 12:11:32 »
Except with a 40K starter box (and the current BTech one for that matter) you can play a game right out of the box.

A Game of Armoured Combat gives you 2 Lances. This box gives you one Star.

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The Clan box is explicitly being billed as an expansion to the Game of Armoured Combat.  I'd be surprised if the rulebook is standalone.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #528 on: 14 July 2019, 12:34:26 »
Quote from: sneak peek post
A Clan Rulebook, expanding on the A Game of Armored Combat rulebook and introducing new rules for the Clans, their OmniMechs, and the high-powered weapons they wield

This is open to interpretation but I’m expecting “here are the stats for these crazy new weapons. Resolve firing as normal on pg XX of the introductory rulebook” along with descriptions of new tech like pulse and lb-x. Also zell rules adapted from tw

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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #529 on: 14 July 2019, 12:36:21 »
Makes sense. Why include the same rules twice.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #530 on: 15 July 2019, 00:22:44 »
important question:  Any early bird bonuses?

Hoping there isn't.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #531 on: 15 July 2019, 05:32:20 »
The Clan box is explicitly being billed as an expansion to the Game of Armoured Combat.  I'd be surprised if the rulebook is standalone.
"Thanks for backing our Kickstarter. You will receive the Clan Invasion box within the next 6-18 months. There aren't a complete set of rules in it though, so you won't be able to use it unless you buy all these other almost-always-out-of-stock products!"

Not putting in the basic rules of BTech, which don't take up that much room, doesn't make any sense to me.

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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #532 on: 15 July 2019, 05:53:47 »
"Thanks for backing our Kickstarter. You will receive the Clan Invasion box within the next 6-18 months. There aren't a complete set of rules in it though, so you won't be able to use it unless you buy all these other almost-always-out-of-stock products!"

Not putting in the basic rules of BTech, which don't take up that much room, doesn't make any sense to me.

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I don't know of too many other *expansion* sets to a game that also contain the *basic* rules.

Why add the printing cost, weight, etec. for something that 99+% of the people who buy it as an *expansion* don't need?
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #533 on: 15 July 2019, 06:22:07 »
Since there Inner Mechs minis being shown. Does that open the possibly of a additional expansion with those minis?

Personally a lance of IS Mechs vs Clan Star in one box be far more interesting.
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #534 on: 15 July 2019, 06:41:53 »
Y'know, given the nature of Kickstarters, aren't we like the Periphery of 3049-50, getting the first looks at the Clans..?

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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #535 on: 15 July 2019, 08:25:13 »
"Thanks for backing our Kickstarter. You will receive the Clan Invasion box within the next 6-18 months. There aren't a complete set of rules in it though, so you won't be able to use it unless you buy all these other almost-always-out-of-stock products!"

Not putting in the basic rules of BTech, which don't take up that much room, doesn't make any sense to me.

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Never seen expansions come with rules, example, ROBORALLY expansions:

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1569/roborally-armed-and-dangerous

See pic for the Back of the box stating need to main rules to play.

Also, never seen DLC come with the full game, or back in the day of physical copies, video games with expansion packs, they never came with the full game program. Example:



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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #536 on: 15 July 2019, 08:53:39 »
X-wing is a good example of a game that revolves entirely around expansions. With no basic rules. Of course, it shares something with collectible games i suppose.

There are also many, many board games where expansions are not standalone. Carcassonne comes to mind first.

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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #537 on: 15 July 2019, 09:02:17 »
Carcassonne comes to mind first.

Now I just want a Battletech reskin of Carcassonne...
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« Reply #538 on: 15 July 2019, 09:13:26 »
Imagine a Castle Brian as pretty as Carcassonne... :drool:
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Re: BattleTech: Clan Invasion Kickstarter Coming July 17!
« Reply #539 on: 15 July 2019, 09:50:41 »
You can download the Quick Start Rules for free from the front page. Speaking as someone who has played this game when they where flat broke, it's much more accessible than many other table tops.

Up untill now, the demand has been for good plastic Minis and map packs because allot of the other stuff has been available for awhile.

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