FEDCOM Mech Production 3040's - Help Wanted

[Hellraiser]

Hello all, 

I've been working up a list of Mech production between the Wo39 & the Clan Invasion for the combined FedCom.

Specifically just the decade of the 40's & just Intro Tech models is what I'm looking at.

Below is what I've come up with so far.

Please let me know if you see an error & I need to add/delete from the list.



Locust - Furillo & New Avalon
Stinger - Coventry
Wasp - Furillo & New Avalon
Hornet - Wernke/Talon
Commando - Coventry
Valkyrie - Hesperus & New Avalon
Firestarter - Coventry
Wolfhound - Tharkad & Arc Royal


Vulcan - Coventry
Hatchetman - Hesperus
Phoenix Hawk - Coventry & New Avalon
Centurion - New Avalon & Panpour (3047)
Chameleon - Hesperus
Enforcer - Hesperus & New Avalon
Dervish - New Avalon
Griffin - Oliver, Hesperus, Wernke/Talon
Wolverine - Nanking
Kintaro - Ozawa

Rifleman - Nanking, Pandora,  Twycross, & Wernke/Talon
Crusader - Oliver & Tharkad
Jagermech - Wernke/Talon
Thunderbolt - Sudeten
Archer - Carlisle & Hesperus
Cataphract - Tikonov
Warhammer - Sudeten   (Possibly Crofton &/or Son Hoa???  Project Phoenix, TRO3050, & TRO3039 seem to conflict)
Flashman - Hesperus
Marauder - Carlisle & Kathil


Zeus - Hesperus & Furillo
Battlemaster - Pandora & Twycross
Longbow - Crofton & Loburg
Stalker - Twycross
Banshee - Hesperus
Atlas - Hesperus
Devastator - New Avalon
Marauder-II - New Valencia

[Tai Dai Cultist]

Here is a good starting point. There'll be some false positives in there based on battle salvage, but they should be obvious and easy to prune out.

[Onion2112]

Hi Hellraiser,

Looks like you have missed some Sarna March worlds.

Wolverine at Nanking (mentioned in both TRO 3039 and Objective Raids)

Cataphract at Tikonov (TRO 3039)

Victor at Styk (This factory was being rebuilt during this period - or may have been already rebuilt by the time of the clan invasion)

Regards

Peter

[Ruger]

You do not have anything for the StarCorps facility on Son Hoa, which should be producing the Longbow and Highlander assault 'Mechs and maybe the Warhammer...

Ruger

[Hellraiser]

Here is a good starting point. There'll be some false positives in there based on battle salvage, but they should be obvious and easy to prune out.

Thanks, unfortunately that isn't actually that accurate for a couple reasons.

1.  It only lists things that STARTED production in that era, not what was currently in production from previous eras.

2.  Much of it is field variants & not actual factory models.

That said, It did remind me of Tikonov & the Cataphract facility they had there so adding that to the list.

[Hellraiser]

Hi Hellraiser,

Looks like you have missed some Sarna March worlds.

Wolverine at Nanking (mentioned in both TRO 3039 and Objective Raids)

Cataphract at Tikonov (TRO 3039)

Victor at Styk (This factory was being rebuilt during this period - or may have been already rebuilt by the time of the clan invasion)

Regards

Peter

Thank you,  had the Nanking on my note pad but forgot to type it here  /doh.

Just recalled the Tikonov now based on above comments.

I love the Victor, but, from what I could find, the 9B was never produced there since the factory started up producing the 9D model during the clan invasion & the Suns lost Quentin in Wo39 so it looks like for a decade they were stuck repairing facilities & buying everything from the St. Ives Compact.

[Tai Dai Cultist]

It does have its limitations.

But you could put in availability instead of production.

From your OP I thought you wanted to parse out legacy availabilities.

[Hellraiser]

You do not have anything for the StarCorps facility on Son Hoa, which should be producing the Longbow and Highlander assault 'Mechs and maybe the Warhammer...

Ruger

I can't find a source that the Longbow is produced on Son Hoa,  only Crofton & Loburg which I mentioned.

The Highlander was just doing rebuilds in that era & didn't start up full production till the mid 50's IIRC.

I'm not sure about the WarHammer, it looks like they just started producing it in the 60's with the Reseen newtech models & never produced the 6R but please direct me to a source if you have one.

Hmm, I do have a note here in TRO3039 that mentions production but nothing in TRO3050 when the 7S was introduced.

It looks like "maybe" there was production on Son Hoa &/or Crofton in the Intro Tech era but I'm not so sure.

[nckestrel]

Chameleon on Hesperus II.
TR3058U mentions it wasn't destroyed during the Succession Wars, and it closed down the Chameleon line in 3052.

[Hellraiser]

Chameleon on Hesperus II.
TR3058U mentions it wasn't destroyed during the Succession Wars, and it closed down the Chameleon line in 3052.

Thanks!

[abou]

Axman in 3048 at both Furillo (Defiance) and New Syrtis (Johnston) -- source TRO3050 Upgrade and MUL

That is the big one I think you are missing.

[nckestrel]

Axman in 3048 at both Furillo (Defiance) and New Syrtis (Johnston) -- source TRO3050 Upgrade and MUL

That is the big one I think you are missing.

He just wants introtech models.

[abou]

Yeah, I know. But leaving out the Axman feels like a bit of a... hatchet job.

[(SMD)MadCow]

I'm not finding that the Champion was made on Corey, or the Enforcer or Valkyrie on Hesperus.

[assaultdoor]

What's your source for the Champion being produced on Corey? Sarna mentions it, but the only source they site is RS: 3039, and that's for the BV. Record sheets don't list factory locations.

[(SMD)MadCow]

TRO 3039 has the Kintaro KTO-18 being made on Ozawa by General Dynamics.
And Rifleman 3N on Nanking.

**Scorpion and Goliath on Oliver - Nevermind, those got glassed in 2837.
**Striker 2C/2S - Nope, glassed in 2867, lasted longer than the Cyclops line though.
**Emperor 5A is out too: even though it's intro tech, TRO3058 states the factory was destroyed 2612 and not re-opened until 3057.

[Tai Dai Cultist]

TRO 3039 has the Kintaro KTO-18 being made on Ozawa by General Dynamics.

The Diplan Mechyards have been retconned off of Ozawa and onto Aix-la-chappelle.  The Kintaros said to have been made on Ozawa might have been made in the Combine instead.

[(SMD)MadCow]

The Diplan Mechyards have been retconned off of Ozawa and onto Aix-la-chappelle.  The Kintaros said to have been made on Ozawa might have been made in the Combine instead.

Diplan is not General Dynamics, looks like a new factory was built just for the model 18 during the 3rd Suc. per the 3039 TRO.

[Wotan]

I'm still not sure how to handle the Trebuchet. Handbook Davion list its production at New Avalon. TRO3039 only list the primary factories and doesn't include New Avalon. TRO3050 also lists only primary factories and doesn't include New Avalon. Furthermore saying that the listed 3 are the only surviving.
But even if the Trebuchet is not produced directly at New Avalon the text in the handbook indicate that Corean receives them as profit payments from the Steward branch.

[Ruger]

I can't find a source that the Longbow is produced on Son Hoa,  only Crofton & Loburg which I mentioned.

The Highlander was just doing rebuilds in that era & didn't start up full production till the mid 50's IIRC.

I'm not sure about the WarHammer, it looks like they just started producing it in the 60's with the Reseen newtech models & never produced the 6R but please direct me to a source if you have one.

Hmm, I do have a note here in TRO3039 that mentions production but nothing in TRO3050 when the 7S was introduced.

It looks like "maybe" there was production on Son Hoa &/or Crofton in the Intro Tech era but I'm not so sure.

Well, one source does say the 'Mech factory was nuked and destroyed in the Second Succession War by House Marik, and was not rebuilt until 3057, building Emperor's and Highlander's...

Oh well...

Ruger

[Cache]

What's your source for the Champion being produced on Corey? Sarna mentions it, but the only source they site is RS: 3039, and that's for the BV. Record sheets don't list factory locations.

Can't access my books right now, but I'd check TRO:3025 Revised. That's the first appearance of the -2N, isn't it?

[nckestrel]

Can't access my books right now, but I'd check TRO:3025 Revised. That's the first appearance of the -2N, isn't it?

In the Champion entry, it just says Bergan Industries. They're no New Earth, I don't see anything about them having a Corey plant.  Corey is Hollis.

TR3039 does says "The cappellans were left to unlock the secrets of the Champion on their own in the 3040s". I'm assuming somebody guessing based on that reference, but there's no mention of corey and no mention of the Capellans actually manufacturing any new Champions. The line quoted above is just after "in the hopes of upgrading their own Champions".  after the paragraph before says Liao has the most Champions left from the SW. So perhaps refitting, not new production, and definetely not being done on behalf of the FedCom...

[MarauderD]

I operate off of headcanon most times, but as a Fed Suns fanatic, I have to agree with (SMD)Madcow that the Enforcer and Valkyrie are not in production anywhere in the LC half of the Commonwealth.

For introtech, I believe the JagerMech is on Talon, and the Dervish is in production somewhere in the FedSuns.

[(SMD)MadCow]

Can add the Shadow Hawk, Lang Industries (TRO3025) on Caph
*Sarna cites the TRO3025 in the destruction of this factory, but mine makes no mention of it(1986).

[Colt Ward]

For Tao MechWorks on Styk, you are likely looking as the factory was built to produce the 9D as the factory needed to be totally rebuilt.  With the parts retcon, everything was in place to have it made- even if they used Gauss-X rather than proper rifles for the first runs.  Or it built -9B while working out the kinks in producing the MPL, ES and Gauss in the -9D . . . which could explain why Victor did not have a 9D Victor.

[Cache]

In the Champion entry, it just says Bergan Industries. They're no New Earth, I don't see anything about them having a Corey plant.  Corey is Hollis.

TR3039 does says "The cappellans were left to unlock the secrets of the Champion on their own in the 3040s". I'm assuming somebody guessing based on that reference, but there's no mention of corey and no mention of the Capellans actually manufacturing any new Champions. The line quoted above is just after "in the hopes of upgrading their own Champions".  after the paragraph before says Liao has the most Champions left from the SW. So perhaps refitting, not new production, and definetely not being done on behalf of the FedCom...

Now that I'm in front of my books, I can't find anything either. If you look at the TRO:3039 entry for the Highlander, you'll see the word "Corey" in a paragraph next to the picture of a Champion (used as the SL 'Mech page header image). That's the closest I see it to getting produced on Corey. I've removed the erroneous statement from the wiki page.

[Hellraiser]

I'm not finding that the Champion was made on Corey, or the Enforcer or Valkyrie on Hesperus.

The Enforcer & Valkyrie both spread to Hesperus around the 4th SW IIRC, its not from a TRO but I believe its a note in the 4th SW Atlas books IIRC.  (Possibly 20 year update?)
The Suns picked up Hatchetman production from the Lyrans as well as part of that whole share everything with the merger.

What's your source for the Champion being produced on Corey? Sarna mentions it, but the only source they site is RS: 3039, and that's for the BV. Record sheets don't list factory locations.

It was mentioned on Sarna.

I didn't even know Bergan had a factory on Corey but that is what Sarna was saying.

I seem to recall that in the days before the MUL, when they were fluffing which SLDF downgrades were still around & history was being rewritten & things like the Flashman got assigned to be produced on Hesperus, that house Liao had the Champion in their Faction list for 3025 where as other houses didn't.
So it might have been the revised TRO3025 that had them producing it.

History conflicts a bit, as TRO2750 has the Champion still being in production on New Earth at 2 factory sites & has an in universe date of 3049 IIRC.
Then later TRO's say that factory was destroyed in 2776 IIRC.
Yet even later sourcebooks mention that the Factories were intact & stripped of advanced production components in 2788 during Operation Silver Shield which is how the Royal Locust went away.
So the authors have contradicted themselves a bit over the years, go figure.

Now that I'm in front of my books, I can't find anything either. If you look at the TRO:3039 entry for the Highlander, you'll see the word "Corey" in a paragraph next to the picture of a Champion (used as the SL 'Mech page header image). That's the closest I see it to getting produced on Corey. I've removed the erroneous statement from the wiki page.

I'm glad you said you deleted it.
I was starting to think I was crazy since its gone now & I just read it over the weekend.

[Hellraiser]

TRO 3039 has the Kintaro KTO-18 being made on Ozawa by General Dynamics.
And Rifleman 3N on Nanking.

Thanks!
Added

Objective Raids & TRO3050 don't have it at Nanking but Sarna does confirm the 1N was produced there originally.
4th SW Atlas just always refers to it as a Wolverine factory.
Perhaps the 3N line was brought back on line after they captured it in the 4th war in time for 3039.   Hmmm.
I'll add it since it seems odd that the 1N would be there but not the 3N.

[Hellraiser]

I'm still not sure how to handle the Trebuchet. Handbook Davion list its production at New Avalon. TRO3039 only list the primary factories and doesn't include New Avalon. TRO3050 also lists only primary factories and doesn't include New Avalon. Furthermore saying that the listed 3 are the only surviving.
But even if the Trebuchet is not produced directly at New Avalon the text in the handbook indicate that Corean receives them as profit payments from the Steward branch.

Handbook Davion might be right.
It has a 3067-ish in universe date right?
So they might have put it in production when all the Project Phoenix designs from Vicore were ramping up across the IS but it wasn't actively produced there during the SW or clan invasion period.
Given what 39 & 50 both say I'll assume it wasn't but its nice to know it might eventually be made there.

[Hellraiser]

I operate off of headcanon most times, but as a Fed Suns fanatic, I have to agree with (SMD)Madcow that the Enforcer and Valkyrie are not in production anywhere in the LC half of the Commonwealth.

For introtech, I believe the JagerMech is on Talon, and the Dervish is in production somewhere in the FedSuns.

See my notes above, the Enforcer/Valkyrie are not found in the usual places.  Its a note in 4th SW Atlas, not in a TRO listing.

The Jager & Dervish are both in my list above already at Talon & New Avalon respectively.