Terra. Home to ilClan Wolf.

[Church14]

Finally, the quote is not specific . . . are you talking about a single galaxy's practice?  Wolf behaviors in a campaign?  what happened in the battle for a contested world?  I can think of a few instances where that sentence might have applied, by itself it means little and is just cherry-picked . . . what is the context of the single sentence?

Your lengthy bit about morality being “we were terrible before, so it’s fine to be terrible forever” is… awkward. But my comment about the ares convention was off hand and not much of an effort. So yeah, doesn’t apply here.


As for the part I quoted. More at length:
“The two primary Wolf Empire thrusts targeted Denebola and Castor. On Denebola, rumors of Alaric Ward’s presence among the Clan Wolf warriors proved true this time. Alaric’s Silver Keshik led the Ninth Wolf Guard Striker and Seventy-ninth Wolf Battle Clusters into battle against the Fifteenth Principes Guards. Since the Wolves arrived at a pirate point, the Fifteenth’s conventional assets had little time to properly dig in along the lone approach to St. Cameron, so the RAF defenders were forced to fight on the move or risk being scattered. Alaric cast his net wide and surrounded the Fifteenth and its support elements. As he marched toward St. Cameron, his Wolves systematically destroyed the disorganized defenders. Depending on which Cluster or Trinary commander was on the scene, those RAF soldiers who surrendered were absorbed into the Wolf Empire’s touman, assimilated into the civilian castes, or executed.“
- Shattered Fortress, pg85

Wolf forces under Alaric’s command, shortly after the wall retracted. Shattered fortress is kind of all over the map on how wolves treat defeated units. Which, not a homogenous culture, so that make sense.

But the only times that wolves went out of their way to slaughter defeated troops appear to be when Alaric is directly in command. There’s a different planet, Alula Australis, where forces under his command slaughtered defenders functionally without quarter. It paints a picture where Alaric has what might be good plans and orders, but he’s unable to keep a clear head when he’s directly involved.

[Colt Ward]

As for the part I quoted. More at length:
“The two primary Wolf Empire thrusts targeted Denebola and Castor. On Denebola, rumors of Alaric Ward’s presence among the Clan Wolf warriors proved true this time. Alaric’s Silver Keshik led the Ninth Wolf Guard Striker and Seventy-ninth Wolf Battle Clusters into battle against the Fifteenth Principes Guards. Since the Wolves arrived at a pirate point, the Fifteenth’s conventional assets had little time to properly dig in along the lone approach to St. Cameron, so the RAF defenders were forced to fight on the move or risk being scattered. Alaric cast his net wide and surrounded the Fifteenth and its support elements. As he marched toward St. Cameron, his Wolves systematically destroyed the disorganized defenders. Depending on which Cluster or Trinary commander was on the scene, those RAF soldiers who surrendered were absorbed into the Wolf Empire’s touman, assimilated into the civilian castes, or executed.“
- Shattered Fortress, pg85

Wolf forces under Alaric’s command, shortly after the wall retracted. Shattered fortress is kind of all over the map on how wolves treat defeated units. Which, not a homogenous culture, so that make sense.

But the only times that wolves went out of their way to slaughter defeated troops appear to be when Alaric is directly in command. There’s a different planet, Alula Australis, where forces under his command slaughtered defenders functionally without quarter. It paints a picture where Alaric has what might be good plans and orders, but he’s unable to keep a clear head when he’s directly involved.

So this circles back around to #3, when there are times you execute those who surrender because you cannot guard them and because if they are released they can pose a danger to your troops such as giving away your position or being released due to not having time/personnel to guard, able to take up arms again possibly behind your lines.

And, to aid your point- there were other times Crusader Wolves did not take prisoners.  IIRC it was a instance with the Thresher MK II wrecking some artillery used in a manner that was considered dishonorable.  They wreck the artillery and the troops it was sheltering as a 'lesson' from their cultural stand point.  I have not closely looked at the numbers, but there is ancedotal evidence that during the trench warfare of WWI machine gunners were rarely captured/surrendered.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I've been doing a poor job keeping up with Shrapnel and some of the RecGuides, but can anyone think of any specific mentions of some of the iconic, solidly Wolf designs of recent vintage appearing in other factions? Things like the Wulfen, the Dominator, the Warwolf, etc. The designs that are only listed on the MUL for one of the Wolf flavors but may show up as a one-line reference in fiction. Thanks!

[Church14]

I've been doing a poor job keeping up with Shrapnel and some of the RecGuides, but can anyone think of any specific mentions of some of the iconic, solidly Wolf designs of recent vintage appearing in other factions? Things like the Wulfen, the Dominator, the Warwolf, etc. The designs that are only listed on the MUL for one of the Wolf flavors but may show up as a one-line reference in fiction. Thanks!

Off the top of my head, EA does reference Foxes selling Wolf equipment from Terra. No specifics, but could easily include some Wolf specials.

[Colt Ward]

Was that the Wolf warrior on Solaris VII that was pissed the Foxes were selling stuff from Terra while he had retreads?

[Natasha Kerensky]

I've been doing a poor job keeping up with Shrapnel and some of the RecGuides, but can anyone think of any specific mentions of some of the iconic, solidly Wolf designs of recent vintage appearing in other factions? Things like the Wulfen, the Dominator, the Warwolf, etc. The designs that are only listed on the MUL for one of the Wolf flavors but may show up as a one-line reference in fiction. Thanks!

It’s a lousy design, but the Bears have the Stormwolf on their MUL.

[Church14]

Was that the Wolf warrior on Solaris VII that was pissed the Foxes were selling stuff from Terra while he had retreads?

Yeah. Letter from Star Captain Firuza. Empire Alone, page 64.

Confirmed it was wolf made, with rumors is was wolf made on Terra

[Metallgewitter]

Dominions Divivded also had a short note that the Bear Khans who had visited Terra had made some research on Terra and they heard that Terra's factories are running around the clock (uhm where are the materials coming from?) which led them to believe that the Wolves were seriously damaged.

[BrianDavion]

Terra's factories are running around the clock (uhm where are the materials coming from?

Terra's resources are kind of schrodinger's resources, it is both bustling and empty at the same time :)

[Metallgewitter]

Terra's resources are kind of schrodinger's resources, it is both bustling and empty at the same time :)

Terra is the big mystery planet in the BT universe: strapped for resources, remade into the planet it was before humanity had damaged it with crude industry, home to the most efficient factories humanity has ever seen. Also the planet that eats factions for breakfast

[Wrangler]

I'm curious how much of the developments of the ilClan Wolf and Terra will show up in the next "field manual"/Scenario book, For the IlKhan Eyes Only book.

[CJC070]

I'm curious how much of the developments of the ilClan Wolf and Terra will show up in the next "field manual"/Scenario book, For the IlKhan Eyes Only book.

Since the only factions not covered so far is the Snow Ravens, Smoke Jaguars, the rest of the Jade Falcons, and Wolf I would say quite a bit.

[phoenixalpha]

Dominions Divivded also had a short note that the Bear Khans who had visited Terra had made some research on Terra and they heard that Terra's factories are running around the clock (uhm where are the materials coming from?) which led them to believe that the Wolves were seriously damaged.

I imagine that the resources can be pulled from any of the other planets in the Sol system as well as the asteroid belt. From the original SL book it was shown that the Hegemony traded tech for resources with the other IS Houses but I imagine that if its just Terra the Wolves hold, and they really dont need much for several galaxies to be produced they can hit up the other planets & asteroids as well as resources from the Sea Foxes in return for finished products to sell.

[Colt Ward]

Since the only factions not covered so far is the Snow Ravens, Smoke Jaguars, the rest of the Jade Falcons, and Wolf I would say quite a bit.

The Capellans have not really been covered- their interaction with the MoC & Andurien, yes.  But their own story?  No.

[Gaiiten]

What if the Cappellans expulse the Wolves from Terra?

[Church14]

What if the Cappellans expulse the Wolves from Terra?

Narratively fascinating as it creates a question of “is the ilClan who holds Terra, or just the first to get it” and seeing how clans decide on that. Also, break Alaric’s awful ego and proves to the universe he’s beatable.

Also, I find it really unlikely. Even my most pessimistic theories for wolves have them holding Terra at end of ilKEO.

The Capellans have not really been covered- their interaction with the MoC & Andurien, yes.  But their own story?  No.

I expect the focus on:
Terran Wolves
NuJags
Terran Falcons
Capellans

Also that can’t/shouldn’t be ignored:
Galatean League
Skye
DC
RotS and whatever happens to what’s left.

[Colt Ward]

Also, break Alaric’s awful ego and proves to the universe he’s beatable.

Already been done, was actually the introduction to his character.

The Isle of Skye is gone, gobbled up by the Falcons and Crusader Wolves though a few worlds on the Lyran border might have been free.  Galatean League had gotten pounded and is probably defunct b/c Hansen's Roughriders were inside the Fortress training RAF and then defending Terra before they got out to the FedSuns with the Hansen we saw in Patriot's Stand being the new CO and a noble.

Whatever is left of RotS was addressed at the end of ilClan already.

[Agathos]

Also, I find it really unlikely. Even my most pessimistic theories for wolves have them holding Terra at end of ilKEO.

My shot in the dark guess is that the Capellans will jump into the Solar System on the last page of ilKEO. That would mirror the cliffhanger endings of Empire Alone, Dominions Divided, and of course Shattered Fortress.

[tassa_kay]

The Isle of Skye is gone, gobbled up by the Falcons and Crusader Wolves though a few worlds on the Lyran border might have been free.

According to the 3152 map on page 85 in DD, the Isle of Skye is still there.

[Church14]

Already been done, was actually the introduction to his character.

Yeah. Getting caught by Anastasia. Whatever good that did him was gone by HotW. He was a self centered, arrogant human who believes he has no equals in existence. Even Stone wasn’t that bad.

The Isle of Skye is gone, gobbled up by the Falcons and Crusader Wolves though a few worlds on the Lyran border might have been free.  Galatean League had gotten pounded and is probably defunct b/c Hansen's Roughriders were inside the Fortress training RAF and then defending Terra before they got out to the FedSuns with the Hansen we saw in Patriot's Stand being the new CO and a noble.

I’d agree on Skye, and even Galatea if not for the DD maps having Skye in it. It also had an unidentified border seen in the very edge that matches up with where you’d expect Galatean league. So seems like there’s more to that story. Even if “more” is that they survive because they border punch drunk Lyrans and Wolves and nobody has the spare bodies to hit them.

Whatever is left of RotS was addressed at the end of ilClan already.

ilClan really just says Galatea is flooded with ex-RAF. So, everything is there for the RotS for CGL to comfortably say “that’s it.” Which would be underwhelming and frankly, insulting to the fans (few as they are) of the RotS. (Not that fans of various factions haven’t had insulting ends to their favorites before.) They could also do something significant with what’s left. The unaccounted for troops amount to a larger standing force than any periphery nation besides Ravens or Magistracy. Shit. Represent a potentially larger standing army than the Wolf Empire has by the end of EA. For it to just evaporate would come off like  CGL just saying they want RotS gone and don’t care how. Which, may be the case.

[tassa_kay]

It also had an unidentified border seen in the very edge that matches up with where you’d expect Galatean league.

The color used in that unidentified little bit on the 3151 DD map does match the color of the Galatean League used on the Inner Sphere map in FM: 3145.

[Church14]

It's not unidentified. That's the Isle of Skye. The color matches the IoS in the map key.

Unless you mean the 3151 map... that one is odd, and there's no identifying color.

Nah. You see the area labeled Isle of Sky. Then, just up and left of the word “Summer,” there’s a border behind idle of skye. It’s right up on the edge of the map where the border doesn’t pop out far enough to show a faction color. Like Skye forms a crescent moon shape territory.

[tassa_kay]

Nah. You see the area labeled Isle of Sky. Then, just up and left of the word “Summer,” there’s a border behind idle of skye. It’s right up on the edge of the map where the border doesn’t pop out far enough to show a faction color. Like Skye forms a crescent moon shape territory.

That's the problem; we were looking at two different maps, LOL. That little border is very easy to miss, jeez!

So I just checked FM:3145, and it not only matches the right area of space, but the color used to denote the Galatean League in that book is the same color used in DD for the unidentified border, in the same spot as the 3152 map you're looking at, on the 3151 map in DD. Looks like the League is still up and running to me.

[Metallgewitter]

Yeah. Getting caught by Anastasia. Whatever good that did him was gone by HotW. He was a self centered, arrogant human who believes he has no equals in existence. Even Stone wasn’t that bad.

You would think almost getting killed in Operation Nighthawk and then being bested by Tara would be enough to remind him to keep his ego in check. But nope next step is inciting a civil war within a Clan he asked to join and is then insulted that the result is not to his liking Which of course could also lead to his demise later on because no one said that he will be Ilkhan when the Star League is actually reborn (or whatever it will be called)

[tassa_kay]

You would think almost getting killed in Operation Nighthawk and then being bested by Tara would be enough to remind him to keep his ego in check. But nope next step is inciting a civil war within a Clan he asked to join and is then insulted that the result is not to his liking Which of course could also lead to his demise later on because no one said that he will be Ilkhan when the Star League is actually reborn (or whatever it will be called)

Why would his ego be in check right now? Alaric literally just fulfilled prophecy as far as the Clans go. He's basically a messiah figure. If anything, I expect his ego to be out of control right now.

[Colt Ward]

Yeah . . . let's see James McKenna, Aleksandr Kerensky, maybe Jerome Blake, not sure you could say Arian in '57, definitely Stone . . . and now Alaric.  We are talking a VERY select group . . . 3 other men for sure, 2 with asterisks.  Kind of hard NOT to be cocky . . . since the proof is in the pudding, and he DID deliver.

[CJC070]

The Capellans have not really been covered- their interaction with the MoC & Andurien, yes.  But their own story?  No.

Now rereading the new sourcebooks Lyrans on the Wolf Empire territory have had little mention especially the anti-Falcon resistance movement. 

If there was more information about it I would appreciate the correction.

[Colt Ward]

Lyrans are in Tamar Rising, when they impact the FWL/Wolf Empire book they were mentioned.

[Metallgewitter]

Why would his ego be in check right now? Alaric literally just fulfilled prophecy as far as the Clans go. He's basically a messiah figure. If anything, I expect his ego to be out of control right now.

I don't know Alaric gives me Nicolas Kerensky vibes and we all know how he ended: killed while he tried to intervene in a Mech duel. He basically died as a glorified referee. Might as well be the change once the new Star League is in place.

[Colt Ward]

Bit of a topic throwback, looking for some opinions on this sort of thing-

https://bg.battletech.com/forums/battlemechs/gargoyle-tc-what-do-you-build/

What would be your Gargoyle TC build?