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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #1410 on: 04 April 2024, 07:55:24 »
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Now that the Clan Spaniel sourcebook has dropped, any notions on making a IWM version of a Force Pack with their primary mechs and battle armor in it?

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« Reply #1411 on: 04 April 2024, 13:40:39 »
Clan Spaniel (an April Fools joke) is so niche, it would be a waste of resources. Still fun to think about.

Any chance we'll be seeing Phoenix Hawk variants like the PHX-3M or PHX-3K? The Marauder, Catapult, Awesome, and Wolverine variant pieces are fantastic. Would also love to see arms for a LCT-3D Locust.

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« Reply #1412 on: 04 April 2024, 15:54:13 »
Supposed to have Commando and Griffin variant parts released also.  Locust 1S arms would be neat too.

Clan Spaniel (an April Fools joke) is so niche, it would be a waste of resources. Still fun to think about.

Any chance we'll be seeing Phoenix Hawk variants like the PHX-3M or PHX-3K? The Marauder, Catapult, Awesome, and Wolverine variant pieces are fantastic. Would also love to see arms for a LCT-3D Locust.

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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #1413 on: 04 April 2024, 16:12:52 »
Clan Spaniel (an April Fools joke) is so niche, it would be a waste of resources. Still fun to think about.

Any chance we'll be seeing Phoenix Hawk variants like the PHX-3M or PHX-3K? The Marauder, Catapult, Awesome, and Wolverine variant pieces are fantastic. Would also love to see arms for a LCT-3D Locust.

Completely agree on both points here. I love the new classic mech variants that are available in metal and hope to see more. Phoenix Hawks would be great

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« Reply #1414 on: 04 April 2024, 16:35:35 »
Consider this, while mute, a lot of players might just buy it for both a prosperity and as a niche item.

Where else could you find a pre-made unit, in Metal, and not having to spend loads on individually shipped parts as well. Even if you do not want to recreate this Official unit, you'd at least increased IWM awareness to such possible packs, and got minis and helped the economy. Who knows, they may even do other styles as well.

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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #1415 on: 04 April 2024, 17:42:09 »
Unfortunately, the show is set before a lot of really appropriate ‘Mechs were in production.  Oscar Otter has to run an Ice Ferret instead of a Rime Otter.  Polly’s ride would be far better as a Gyrfalcon than a Kingfisher.

On the other hand, any Warhammer IIC can be painted as a WarHamster IIC for Star Commander Nibbles.
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« Reply #1416 on: 04 April 2024, 17:55:40 »
Clan Spaniel (an April Fools joke) is so niche, it would be a waste of resources. Still fun to think about.

Would it really be a waste of resources?  It's just taking some existing minis and bundling them together as a set.
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« Reply #1417 on: 04 April 2024, 18:02:13 »
Unfortunately, the show is set before a lot of really appropriate ‘Mechs were in production.  Oscar Otter has to run an Ice Ferret instead of a Rime Otter.  Polly’s ride would be far better as a Gyrfalcon than a Kingfisher.

On the other hand, any Warhammer IIC can be painted as a WarHamster IIC for Star Commander Nibbles.

If you notice, they have 3 eras of units to portray in. And then there is that disclaimer at the end of the Sourcebook...

Second from last page, "Page 47".

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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #1418 on: 04 April 2024, 18:09:54 »
Oh, I noticed.  (I wrote it  :evil:)

At GenCon 2024’s Masters vs Minions, I’ll be fielding a Gyrfalcon in Polly’s colors, backed by Foxy’s Kit Fox.
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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #1419 on: 04 April 2024, 18:54:27 »
Hopefully, with a Ferdinan Elemental unit or two hopping around...

I mean, a few Steer horns and your gold...  :smilie_happy_thumbup:

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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #1420 on: 04 April 2024, 18:59:17 »
I’ll have a box of minis painted in Spaniel colors, and definitely plan to horn-up some elementals, plus do up Ferdinan’s Minotaur Proto, too.
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« Reply #1421 on: 05 April 2024, 10:28:39 »
I don't know what IWM's direction or limitations are for the Battletech line, but I'd like to see IWM offer what CGL doesn't. So, altenate variants or configurations of popular designs; new mechs/vehicles that aren't or won't be sold by CGL. I guess I don't understand why IWM will sell a metal Archer ARC-2R for $19.00 (not including base) when someone can buy a lance of 4 mechs, including an ARC-2R Archer for roughly the same price.  Now, if the IWM version was a variant like an ARC-2S, ARC-5S or something, I would think it would be just as popular if not more so. But perhaps I'm just really mistaken about that.

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« Reply #1422 on: 05 April 2024, 10:32:08 »
Well, all the Wave 1 Clan Invasion packs are fairly hard to find at this point.
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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #1423 on: 05 April 2024, 10:39:05 »
(Note that the ARC-#S and -#W are in the Legends pack  :wink:)
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« Reply #1424 on: 05 April 2024, 13:00:16 »
I don't know what IWM's direction or limitations are for the Battletech line, but I'd like to see IWM offer what CGL doesn't. So, altenate variants or configurations of popular designs; new mechs/vehicles that aren't or won't be sold by CGL. I guess I don't understand why IWM will sell a metal Archer ARC-2R for $19.00 (not including base) when someone can buy a lance of 4 mechs, including an ARC-2R Archer for roughly the same price.  Now, if the IWM version was a variant like an ARC-2S, ARC-5S or something, I would think it would be just as popular if not more so. But perhaps I'm just really mistaken about that.

I keep saying this as well. I don't understand why there can't be better coordination between IWM and CGL for what's on offer. The lines should be complementary.

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« Reply #1425 on: 05 April 2024, 13:15:17 »
...new mechs/vehicles that aren't or won't be sold by CGL.

SO MUCH THIS. I don't care I've but about variants but I'm not gonna yuck another's yum, but it's always a big disappointment whenever a release schedule gets posted and there isn't at least one brand-new chassis that isn't available in any form yet.
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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #1426 on: 05 April 2024, 19:47:12 »
Well, all the Wave 1 Clan Invasion packs are fairly hard to find at this point.

It looks to me like most of them are in stock in the Catalyst store right now. Am I misreading it?

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« Reply #1427 on: 05 April 2024, 20:03:24 »
The Command Lance is, the Battle Lance is not.  And neither are easy to find in other places besides the Catalyst store.
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« Reply #1428 on: 05 April 2024, 20:42:10 »
The Command Lance is, the Battle Lance is not.  And neither are easy to find in other places besides the Catalyst store.

From a retailer perspective, there are MANY issues with PSI (the warehouse company Catalyst uses) when it comes to stocking distribution. Many years of lengthy emails have taught me that many times it doesn't seem like much of a priority for PSI to restock their distributors...either by accident or on purpose. That's as far as I'm comfortable in saying.
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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #1429 on: 05 April 2024, 21:16:06 »
I don't know what IWM's direction or limitations are for the Battletech line, but I'd like to see IWM offer what CGL doesn't. So, altenate variants or configurations of popular designs; new mechs/vehicles that aren't or won't be sold by CGL. I guess I don't understand why IWM will sell a metal Archer ARC-2R for $19.00 (not including base) when someone can buy a lance of 4 mechs, including an ARC-2R Archer for roughly the same price.  Now, if the IWM version was a variant like an ARC-2S, ARC-5S or something, I would think it would be just as popular if not more so. But perhaps I'm just really mistaken about that.

This is exactly how I feel. I see absolutely no reason to buy that metal ARC-2R. I would like to buy some tanks and aerospace fighters that haven't ever been made. I would like some of the few remaining WarShips. Or battle armor. I feel like the age of metal minis is coming to a close. That makes me a bit sad, but it is what it is.

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« Reply #1430 on: 05 April 2024, 21:42:45 »
Couple of things.

Production of plastic minis takes tens of thousands of dollars upfront. The cost is in getting the metal moulding blanks engraved, and in the use of high-temp high-pressure plastic injection machines. Once you've put that money in up front, actual cost of production (material and labor) is low, so it makes sense to produce plastic minis in large (thousands or more) quantities to recover the cost at a reasonable price. The upside is large quantities and lower unit price; the downside is massive upfront costs, and inflexibility.

Metal minis have to have masters made, then silicide moulds prepared - manual, therefore time-consuming and labor expensive (need the right skills). But we're talking more like a thousand up front per mini. Casting also takes skilled labor and time, and metal is expensive these days. Also the moulds wear out with too much use, and have to be remade. So while the setup cost is smaller, the production cost per unit is higher. The ability to make modifications though is much increased. So the upside is flexibility and lower up-front investment; the downside is unit expense, and lower quantity production.

The other flip side of metal minis is that IWM only has so many hands, and so much floorspace. While in theory we could be fan-funding dozens of all-new minis every year, that bites into the labour and equipment pool they have to produce other BT minis.

That said, IWM has supported BattleTech minis for decades as a labour of love. We're hardly their major customer - they make much more producing minis for other companies. And they're prepared to keep making minis as long as the moulds last - even minis selling less than 6 units per year. I'm sure IWM and CGL talk, and balance each side's respective needs in their business relationship. I don't want IWM burning out on BT. It obviously makes sense to them to produce the minis available in plastic, to make them available individually, or outside the major investment of plastic production runs, and supports the hobby.
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« Reply #1431 on: 05 April 2024, 22:14:20 »
You said nothing I haven't heard over and over and over. You talk about molds as if 3D printers aren't common, and capable of producing nearly perfect minis. The future is not mold making. It is sale of STLs to people with their own 3D printers.

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« Reply #1432 on: 05 April 2024, 23:00:20 »
If 3D printers produced "almost perfect minis", IWM wouldn't have had the problems they had with the new Catapult mould.

And selling STLs lasts until someone puts the models free online, without holding rights to do so.
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« Reply #1433 on: 05 April 2024, 23:06:47 »
IWM is no stranger to weird decisions. Just looking at all the rocket launcher variants of the Phoenix designs should say it all.

I think there is still room for metal minis in our future, but it is going to take more startegic planning. And unfortunately the community is not very picky about the quality of BattleTech miniatures. That means the premium versions of metal often fall to the wayside for cheaper plastics with collapsed parts, warping, awkward mold lines, glue squeeze out, etc. IWM will need to think about how to approach the future. They may be doing us a solid by continuing the line, but it is still worth pursuing.

Also, I'm a real odd man out because I still favor greens over 3D printed masters. I mean, the Darksword line, which IWM presses, is incredible.

I do wonder what will happen with 3D printing in the future. I can see it continuing, but I can also see it going the way of home brewing beer where the industry contracts dramatically as tastes and free time changes. Not that that is something to bet on.
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« Reply #1434 on: 05 April 2024, 23:19:59 »
I do wonder what will happen with 3D printing in the future. I can see it continuing, but I can also see if going the way of home brewing beer where the industry contracts dramatically as tastes and free time changes. Not that that is something to bet on.

Me too. There's barriers to 3D printing at the moment - the time & learning curve involved in getting competent, the mess & hazardous chemicals in resin printing, and some cost, although for the harder core hobbyists not so much that.

There was a thing called Siocast, which offered a path between the hobbyist and the small mini company, which I watched closely. But it proved more complex and less reliable than intended. Anyone know where that is at, at the moment?
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« Reply #1435 on: 06 April 2024, 02:36:30 »
There was a thing called Siocast, which offered a path between the hobbyist and the small mini company, which I watched closely. But it proved more complex and less reliable than intended. Anyone know where that is at, at the moment?
Its gotten out to some manufacturers, Monster Fight Club uses it to make the Premium BattleTech minis, but is still too expensive for most companies to consider an alternative to traditional injection molds.

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Re: What's in the Pipeline 2: the Wrath of Speck
« Reply #1436 on: 07 April 2024, 18:46:10 »
Well, all the Wave 1 Clan Invasion packs are fairly hard to find at this point.

That's happened before, I think they're just between orders. I'll wait six-to-nine months before I declare them OOP

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« Reply #1437 on: 07 April 2024, 18:47:56 »
Wasn't calling them out of print, just saying that there's a demand for Archers and Riflemen that isn't easy to meet just by buying the plastic packs.
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« Reply #1438 on: 07 April 2024, 22:42:36 »
I love IWM. I'm so thankful that they've been so consistent and supportive of the Battletech line, especially during the dark years where I personally felt that IWM was keeping the game afloat.

IWM has the capability to make something special for Battletech which can be showcased to a growing fan base. But this latest release is really highlighting a disconnect between what the market wants and what IWM is producing. New players aren't going to want to buy a single mini of the same one they can get for 25%/33% of the price from CGL. I don't understand that part.

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« Reply #1439 on: 08 April 2024, 08:08:22 »
I recently started building an IWM metal Warhammer and it is actually nicer than the plastic one from the lance pack. The plastic Warhammer has that weird mold issue where the torso is lurched to one side like it's doing a shoulder shrug. It also has very long legs that make it a bit tall for it's weight/class. The metal one is a much better quality with appropriately scaled legs plus it has the benefit of being posable. In this case the metal quality is superior to the plastic. This won't matter to everyone when you factor in the price difference, but it's part of the appeal of having mechs in metal.