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Re: Escort Unit
« Reply #60 on: 18 January 2019, 09:27:12 »
The OP did not specify "breakthrough duties", although there was no indication whether or not the escorts would participate in the actual assault.  That obviously has an effect on the "best" units for the task.  The OP also did not state the size of the Assault group, nor how much money, BV, tonnage, personnel, or whatever the limiting factor might be, was available for the escort party.  That doesn't exactly narrow down the choices.

Participating in the assault?  The escort force might well consist of MORE Assault 'Mechs, or heavy vehicles.  Not participating?  Then it's probably Light or Medium 'Mechs and/or vehicles.  The exact mix probably depends on terrain and the expected opposition.

In MOST situations, a Phoenix Hawk is my "go to" solution.  In this case, I still find it to be a good "all around" choice, although having a faster bug 'Mech and several assorted vehicles to supplement it (possibly with a VTOL tossed into the mix) would probably be an improvement for not much extra cost.
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Re: Escort Unit
« Reply #61 on: 22 January 2019, 05:35:43 »
Breakthrough: 8 Pattons, 4 Scimitars, 2 VTOL gunships, 4 Demolishers, 4 platoons of Infantry either motorised or in APC's, 2 light mechs.
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« Reply #62 on: 22 January 2019, 11:56:35 »
That's not an escort force.  That's big enough that you use an escort force for it.
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Re: Escort Unit
« Reply #63 on: 22 January 2019, 11:59:04 »
i play games at a scale that an escort of two units is starting to get out of hand.

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Re: Escort Unit
« Reply #64 on: 22 January 2019, 14:44:46 »
Your Demos are way to slow for this formation...

Either swap out for Rommels or downsize your force.

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« Reply #65 on: 22 January 2019, 15:22:36 »
Kinda surprised that APDS hasn't come up yet...  Unlike the rest of the RISC stuff APDS doesn't blow you up, doesn't blow itself up, and it offers a new and useful capability.

Idle question... if a VIP unit is surrounded by 3 adjacent units with APDS and there's an incoming LRM-20 salvo, what happens?
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« Reply #66 on: 22 January 2019, 16:12:36 »
Like most experimental gear, APDS is a tricky one because it is currently mounted on one canon unit so unless people are going ham with RISC customs, it probably hasn’t seen a ton of action

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« Reply #67 on: 22 January 2019, 18:52:25 »
It's also Era specific and Faction specific.  APDS really isn't an answer if you're playing, say, the Battle of Coventry in 3057.
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« Reply #68 on: 23 January 2019, 15:42:46 »
It's also Era specific and Faction specific.  APDS really isn't an answer if you're playing, say, the Battle of Coventry in 3057.

True.  Other than ECM, it's about the only thing you can do to "protect" a vip that doesn't boil down to "distract the other guy."  And to paraphrase Jayne Cobb, "Death is distractin'."
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« Reply #69 on: 26 January 2019, 09:09:24 »
That's not an escort force.  That's big enough that you use an escort force for it.
Go big or go home  ;) If you put it with an all-assault lance then you have yourself the undeniable spearhead of a line breaking force, provided you remember to add in artillery too.

Your Demos are way to slow for this formation...

Either swap out for Rommels or downsize your force.

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Good point. I love demos, but you are right about the speed issue, so swapping them out for Rommels would work well.

Like most experimental gear, APDS is a tricky one because it is currently mounted on one canon unit so unless people are going ham with RISC customs, it probably hasn’t seen a ton of action
Noob question, what is APDS? Im assuming its not Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot based on how you lot are talking about it.
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« Reply #70 on: 26 January 2019, 11:22:24 »
Advanced Point Defense System.

It's an AMS that can protect nearby friendlies in addition to yourself. Bleeding edge tech in IntOps, three canon units mount it,  most notable of which is a variant of the Angerona BA which exists solely to deploy the APDS for cheap.
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« Reply #71 on: 26 January 2019, 15:13:28 »
Ah so its basically MWO AMS? Nice, I was looking for something like it to add onto my Aegis Corvette
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« Reply #72 on: 26 January 2019, 15:16:24 »
Doesn't work in space. Not a big problem, since when you're in space regular AMS already does that.
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« Reply #73 on: 27 January 2019, 23:42:21 »
Not a space ship, a blue water corvette.
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Re: Escort Unit
« Reply #74 on: 08 February 2019, 21:32:39 »
if you are facing fast vehicles and mechs, they are different threats in nature. You don't have a single answer.

Best way against vehicles is to hit many times. Missiles do very well the job.

Against light/medium mechs, you need high dmg weapons (PPCs, Gauss Rifles, AC10 or 20).

The only weapon that combine both capabilities is the LB cannon - you just need to carry the proper ammo.

If you are playing heavy/assault mechs, your pilots are good enough to take fast moving targets. Pulse lasers are great help. If your mechs have the proper weapons they can defend themselves.

You can add some vehicles as escorts, but looking for the missing weapons. If your mechs are more laser bots, you can add a few tanks with big cannons (Pattons, Rommels, etc). If your mechs have big weapons, includes vehicles with missile weapons (LRM carrier).

A wheeled light tank armed with one LB-10X with 2 tons of ammo (I know no design like this) maybe is the final answer for you.

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« Reply #75 on: 08 February 2019, 23:46:46 »
I think the lightest wheeled vehicle that mounts an LB10-X is the Tokugawa.  And that's a rare and exclusive design.  So I think the Typhoon LB-X variant is the most widely available option.

And that thing isn't light.
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« Reply #76 on: 11 February 2019, 12:47:49 »
The R-10B at 45 tons (also not light). the lightest ground vehicle to mount an LB-10 is the Scapha C (40 tons). The Gossamer VTOL (XL) carries one at 25 tons.
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« Reply #77 on: 11 February 2019, 16:21:03 »
How many of those are wheeled vehicles?
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« Reply #78 on: 11 February 2019, 16:53:32 »
just the R10. the scapha is a hover and the gossamer vtol is well, a vtol

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« Reply #79 on: 11 February 2019, 17:23:27 »
Kaliban had specified wheeled vehicles.
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« Reply #80 on: 12 February 2019, 13:18:25 »
We do have the Hetzer LB-20X . . . wish they had also modified the AC/10 carrier to be a LB-10X carrier.
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« Reply #81 on: 20 February 2019, 11:54:52 »
We do have the Hetzer LB-20X . . . wish they had also modified the AC/10 carrier to be a LB-10X carrier.

There is a AC/10 version of the Hetzer, so a LB-10X upgrade is possible, but a turret design works better. I believe that a single LB-10X fits in a 35ton wheeled tank with moderate armor protection. It should work well as escort vehicle, against light/medium mechs (using normal ammo) and vehicles/infantry (using flak ammo)

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« Reply #82 on: 20 February 2019, 12:15:03 »
Cluster ammo.

Flak ammo can only be used by standard, light, and Protomech ACs.
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« Reply #83 on: 20 February 2019, 12:42:21 »
There is a AC/10 version of the Hetzer, so a LB-10X upgrade is possible, but a turret design works better. I believe that a single LB-10X fits in a 35ton wheeled tank with moderate armor protection. It should work well as escort vehicle, against light/medium mechs (using normal ammo) and vehicles/infantry (using flak ammo)

I know there is a AC/10 version, but they never made a UAC/10 or LB-10X Hetzer version.  We did get both IIRC to the AC/20 version.  Turret vs no Turret has been gone over . . . and afaik we do not get a turreted LB-10X until the Po at 60t.
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« Reply #84 on: 20 February 2019, 12:51:50 »
lighter there's the R10 IFV B and the Vedette (Cell). at 60 tons there's also the Tokugawa and Manticore 3058 upgrade

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« Reply #85 on: 21 February 2019, 13:08:45 »
Cluster ammo.

Flak ammo can only be used by standard, light, and Protomech ACs.

Sorry, my mistake

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« Reply #86 on: 21 February 2019, 13:22:57 »
I know there is a AC/10 version, but they never made a UAC/10 or LB-10X Hetzer version.  We did get both IIRC to the AC/20 version.  Turret vs no Turret has been gone over . . . and afaik we do not get a turreted LB-10X until the Po at 60t.

I have not paid attention to this aspect but I you are looking for a existing design you get very limited in options for this role. Maybe a bunch of cheap Scorpion tanks (or LRM carriers) and standard Hetzers can make the job.

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« Reply #87 on: 21 February 2019, 13:40:17 »
For AA roles the Vedette (LB-5X) works, the -10X is just a bit better since it forces more roles and can do more damage to mechs/vehicles.  I wish we had gotten a T-12 Tiger update in the Jihad . . . or maybe produced by Filtvelt!  One nice thing for the Jihad is we got a LOT more armor selection though I think there are a few missing updates post-3050 for the old standards.
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« Reply #88 on: 21 February 2019, 13:48:24 »
Yeah I love the tiger the marsden and Merkeva got upgrades it’s a shame the tiger didn’t as well.  It’s my goto opfor mbt in age of war / star league campaigns

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« Reply #89 on: 21 February 2019, 14:17:38 »
Yeah, LBX, FF and MMLs . . . bam!
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