Author Topic: Armored Fighting Vehicles version M4 - are we going with that? Sure, man. (Read 198981 times)

Empyrus · « **Reply #30 on:** 01 April 2018, 09:47:47 »

Soviet armor doctrine was pretty different from NATO's, no?
Smaller tanks, fast tanks, designed with strategic offensives in mind. NATO tanks tend to be more defensive, hull-down tanks.
So, naturally NATO vs WP game should be somewhat asymmetric.

Conventional warfare with asymmetric sides, not asymmetric warfare with asymmetric forces.

Daryk · « **Reply #31 on:** 01 April 2018, 10:01:46 »

As I recall, the Soviet doctrine was "make it simple, make it work, make more"... That generally led to much larger forces facing NATO in Europe, and was the basic reason tactical nukes were necessary. The needed kill ratios for a NATO victory were something over 3:1.

Kidd · « **Reply #32 on:** 01 April 2018, 10:15:53 »

Quote from: ColBosch on 01 April 2018, 09:36:53

*sighs* No, that isn't what I want. What do any of those conflicts have to do with me wanting more variety in my World War III wargames?

What do you have in mind?

Charlie 6 · « **Reply #33 on:** 01 April 2018, 11:32:01 »

Quote from: worktroll on 01 April 2018, 04:03:55

The other proble with Team Yankee is unit density on play area.

My Boss and I were discussing this after Historicon last year and he had the same objection. I saw a graphic that had the right TY scale as being played with those models on a football field.

Daryk · « **Reply #34 on:** 01 April 2018, 11:38:07 »

Now that would be something to see... hilarious too! ;D

glitterboy2098 · « **Reply #35 on:** 01 April 2018, 12:27:26 »

Quote from: Charlie 6 on 01 April 2018, 11:32:01

My Boss and I were discussing this after Historicon last year and he had the same objection. I saw a graphic that had the right TY scale as being played with those models on a football field.

One of the reasons the 6mm scale was invented in the first place was to deal with the parking lot battles problem limited table space gave.
People keep having to relearn the same lessons

DoctorMonkey · « **Reply #36 on:** 01 April 2018, 12:38:03 »

Or go with computers?

Charlie 6 · « **Reply #37 on:** 01 April 2018, 12:54:07 »

Quote from: glitterboy2098 on 01 April 2018, 12:27:26

One of the reasons the 6mm scale was invented in the first place was to deal with the parking lot battles problem limited table space gave.
People keep having to relearn the same lessons

Yet, Battlefront seems to be doing ok. I don't care either way although it would be nice if BF let GaleForce9 do a TY skirmish game.

Dragon Cat · « **Reply #38 on:** 01 April 2018, 14:54:42 »

Honestly not an April Fools

Daryk · « **Reply #39 on:** 01 April 2018, 16:58:37 »

Now that got a LOL! ;D

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire · « **Reply #40 on:** 01 April 2018, 17:53:21 »

That's what, a Primitive AT-ST?

I am Belch II · « **Reply #41 on:** 01 April 2018, 19:20:45 »

Isn't there a couple of WW2 games that have "Mechs" in them?

Sharpnel · « **Reply #42 on:** 01 April 2018, 21:03:00 »

Quote from: Dragon Cat on 01 April 2018, 14:54:42

Honestly not an April Fools

Now, that's what I call a primitive Locust.

Matti · « **Reply #43 on:** 01 April 2018, 22:09:11 »

Quote from: Dragon Cat on 01 April 2018, 14:54:42

Honestly not an April Fools

What isn't?

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #44 on:** 01 April 2018, 22:33:28 »

Looks like Gear Krieg at a guess.

chanman · « **Reply #45 on:** 02 April 2018, 03:09:22 »

It's rarely the sole SPAAG that you need to worry about. It's the fact that they travel in packs.

Those look like PGZ-09 35mm SPAAGs

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire · « **Reply #46 on:** 02 April 2018, 12:42:42 »

The camouflage has gone 8-bit!

Empyrus · « **Reply #47 on:** 03 April 2018, 14:13:20 »

Why exactly is digital camo so common nowadays? Easy to apply? Easy to design but still effective?

grimlock1 · « **Reply #48 on:** 03 April 2018, 16:48:31 »

Quote from: Empyrus on 03 April 2018, 14:13:20

Why exactly is digital camo so common nowadays? Easy to apply? Easy to design but still effective?

Part fashion, part "it works better."

All those squares require masking, while older styles of camo could just be done free hand.

Daryk · « **Reply #49 on:** 03 April 2018, 17:54:01 »

Very effective... the first time I saw digital cammies, I thought my glasses were dirty. Nope... at that range, in a dim conference room, the Marines wearing it were just straight blurry...

Charlie 6 · « **Reply #50 on:** 03 April 2018, 19:17:00 »

Quote from: Daryk on 03 April 2018, 17:54:01

Very effective... the first time I saw digital cammies, I thought my glasses were dirty. Nope... at that range, in a dim conference room, the Marines wearing it were just straight blurry...

...or your eyes were just filling with pride.

On a related note, while on BATAAN I peered through the peephole on a QAWTD, saw nothing, and opened the hatch. I very nearly knocked a sailor head over heels because her uniform had blended so well with the deck sole on the O-2 Level. She told me that it wasn't he first time it had happened.

Feenix74 · « **Reply #51 on:** 03 April 2018, 20:09:25 »

I much prefer the round/soft edge designs such as our old "hearts and bunnies" AUSCAM DPCU (Disruptive Pattern Camouflage Uniform) pattern or the new Crye MultiCam. However this is purely a personal preference not based on effectiveness.

An Australian Army soldier in Australian Multicam Camouflage Uniform (AMCU), which has the base pattern of the MultiCam camouflage pattern with a modified colour scheme inherited from the AUSCAM DPCU.

Which has been morphed into a ridiculous new Air Force general purpose uniform ::)

Daryk · « **Reply #52 on:** 03 April 2018, 20:27:48 »

There's a semi-famous picture of a Sailor laying on a blue PRC deck, and they blend almost too well. I still don't get the whole blue cammies, thing... The Navy is finally giving up on them, so I'll probably have to buy a whole new set of the green ones soon...

Feenix74 · « **Reply #53 on:** 03 April 2018, 20:44:31 »

RAAF is using it to replace the old Working Dress (I cannot find a photo quickly but think tradesman heavy drill cotton trousers and shirt in a solid navy blue) and DPCUs as the goto uniform when working on base. Although for us base operations (Ground Defence, Security Police, Airfield Engineers, etc) types I assume we still get issued a set of AMCU for when we are doing base defence duties.

The Royal Australian Navy went with the camo look early and they transition from the old pure grey working overalls to a Navy AUSCAM DPCU working dress and I understand now they are moving to a new Navy MultiCam working dress (Nightlord can probably provide more details).

The Air Force's camo pattern is to make the working dress more "military" looking without being mistaken for Army (happened all the time when wearing DPCUs) but it is ridiculous at the same time.

grimlock1 · « **Reply #54 on:** 03 April 2018, 21:10:55 »

Quote from: Feenix74 on 03 April 2018, 20:44:31

Is that a cammo uniform with reflective bands on the arms? ???

Feenix74 · « **Reply #55 on:** 03 April 2018, 23:02:18 »

Affirmative, reflective bands on camo :D

Its "working dress", worn while working on board, the reflective bands are for safety. The camo pattern is not designed to actually provide any real "camouflage", just to identify the person is military and is a member of the Royal Australian Navy.

Fat Guy · « **Reply #56 on:** 03 April 2018, 23:11:39 »

About the only environment that the US Army's ACUs actually worked:

grimlock1 · « **Reply #57 on:** 04 April 2018, 15:11:53 »

Quote from: Fat Guy on 03 April 2018, 23:11:39

About the only environment that the US Army's ACUs actually worked:

I was thinking about this pic today when I was walking the dog. Wondered if I could dig it up again.

DoctorMonkey · « **Reply #58 on:** 07 April 2018, 04:53:16 »

The Tank Museum at Bovington is running a series about the centenaries of significant events in tank history - the most recent seems to be the debut of the A7V

http://tank100.com/headline-news/action-debut-of-the-a7v-tank/

Feenix74 · « **Reply #59 on:** 07 April 2018, 06:03:24 »

I have previously posted photos of Mephisto, the final surviving A7V. Here is another photo, Mephisto was down here in Canberra at the Australian War Memorial but has now been returned to Brisbane. It is in a bubble to help preserve it.