Author Topic: Armored Fighting Vehicles version M4 - are we going with that? Sure, man. (Read 199241 times)

glitterboy2098 · « **Reply #390 on:** 23 July 2018, 23:37:03 »

Quote from: ANS Kamas P81 on 23 July 2018, 21:31:48

They're not. Look up the Night Witches. Fear.

i love how Sabaton has a song for every awesome WW2 group and battle..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7NSUFDHFgg

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #391 on:** 24 July 2018, 01:59:59 »

I love that they don't limit themselves to WWII. Some of their best stuff is completely separate.

Kidd · « **Reply #392 on:** 24 July 2018, 03:00:52 »

Quote from: snewsom2997 on 23 July 2018, 12:58:18

Conservatively 1000's. Couple of those women had 100's all by their lonesome.

Lyudmila Pavlichenko had almost 260.

Figure those are outliers. But even at say 40 or 50 apiece, which isn't as hard as German fighter aces, we're looking at what, the best part of a battalion here?

Snipers are scary.

Luciora · « **Reply #393 on:** 24 July 2018, 09:06:26 »

If someone in a warzone during winter just came out of a forest, looking sinister, carrying an empty sniper rifle and telling me they killed 40 guys and needs reloads, i'm going to give them ammo and believe them.

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire · « **Reply #394 on:** 24 July 2018, 11:10:37 »

The Soviet female sniper teams were badass.

HobbesHurlbut · « **Reply #395 on:** 24 July 2018, 12:36:37 »

Quote from: ANS Kamas P81 on 23 July 2018, 21:31:48

They're not. Look up the Night Witches. Fear.

then why are they holding scoped rifles for this picture?

Matti · « **Reply #396 on:** 24 July 2018, 13:20:04 »

Quote from: glitterboy2098 on 23 July 2018, 23:37:03

i love how Sabaton has a song for every awesome WW2 group and battle..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7NSUFDHFgg

Thanks. Their song about White Death

Sharpnel · « **Reply #397 on:** 24 July 2018, 13:52:45 »

Quote from: HobbesHurlbut on 24 July 2018, 12:36:37

then why are they holding scoped rifles for this picture?

The night witches are pilots and instilled a different sort of fear than the lady snipers

Kidd · « **Reply #398 on:** 24 July 2018, 17:26:07 »

Quote from: HobbesHurlbut on 24 July 2018, 12:36:37

then why are they holding scoped rifles for this picture?

The Night Witches were an all-female bomber regiment. They piloted very low and slow biplanes that German soldiers reckoned hardly made any sound save for a swish like a broom passing overhead... et voila.

The pic I posted is of female Soviet snipers. The pic caption claims they are from the 1st Belorussian Front, aka in Western parlance Army Group Center.

The star medal they all wear is the Order of Glory (below), the 3rd class medal is awarded for at least 10 kills. A bit less than 1 million of these were given out.

Scoring another 20 or so would qualify for the Order of Glory 2nd class, signified by a second similar star-shaped medal which some of these women seem to have. Less than 47,000 were awarded.

The round medal is possibly the Medal For Battle Merit, a common bravery award of which 5 million were given out.

HobbesHurlbut · « **Reply #399 on:** 24 July 2018, 18:21:17 »

Quote from: Kidd on 24 July 2018, 17:26:07

The Night Witches were an all-female bomber regiment. They piloted very low and slow biplanes that German soldiers reckoned hardly made any sound save for a swish like a broom passing overhead... et voila.

The pic I posted is of female Soviet snipers. The pic caption claims they are from the 1st Belorussian Front, aka in Western parlance Army Group Center.

The star medal they all wear is the Order of Glory (below), the 3rd class medal is awarded for at least 10 kills. A bit less than 1 million of these were given out.

Scoring another 20 or so would qualify for the Order of Glory 2nd class, signified by a second similar star-shaped medal which some of these women seem to have. Less than 47,000 were awarded.

The round medal is possibly the Medal For Battle Merit, a common bravery award of which 5 million were given out.

Oh I wasn't questioning that they got medals. It's just that IN the picture, the medals seemed "photo-touched"

Liam's Ghost · « **Reply #400 on:** 24 July 2018, 20:39:18 »

Quote from: HobbesHurlbut on 24 July 2018, 18:21:17

Oh I wasn't questioning that they got medals. It's just that IN the picture, the medals seemed "photo-touched"

Well it was Stalinist Russia.

Kidd · « **Reply #401 on:** 24 July 2018, 23:09:40 »

Quote from: HobbesHurlbut on 24 July 2018, 18:21:17

Oh I wasn't questioning that they got medals. It's just that IN the picture, the medals seemed "photo-touched"

I was curious about the medals anyway. I dunno, maybe they were highlighted, or maybe its the lighting, these are BnW after all.

Kidd · « **Reply #402 on:** 29 July 2018, 08:54:35 »

Leopard 2A7, possibly a Qatari variant

kato · « **Reply #403 on:** 29 July 2018, 09:35:32 »

According to the sole page on the internet that uses that picture (some Georgian defense news site) it's a Leopard 2A7V, at the Bergen training area in Germany. If so it's a preproduction prototype for the current new German variant.

The assumption is probably based around the armour arrangement on the glacis, which is A7V standard in the picture. We'd probably rather have to see the turret from the other side to be sure - for the APU grill, which is also different from standard A7.

ANS Kamas P81 · « **Reply #404 on:** 29 July 2018, 12:07:43 »

The Germans are certainly having a little fun with history, with that particular name.

kato · « **Reply #405 on:** 29 July 2018, 12:59:52 »

And in the 100-year anniversary year too...

PsihoKekec · « **Reply #406 on:** 08 August 2018, 04:29:01 »

It looks to me like the T-90 upgrade that was supposed to compete with Armata was a bit too ambitious as biomancy is still in it's infancy.

Feenix74 · « **Reply #407 on:** 08 August 2018, 04:56:39 »

King Crab KGC-0000?

I am Belch II · « **Reply #408 on:** 08 August 2018, 06:44:24 »

Scorpion Mech

HobbesHurlbut · « **Reply #409 on:** 08 August 2018, 08:01:50 »

Why have track wheels on it? It doesn't have a set of track :P

Garrand · « **Reply #410 on:** 08 August 2018, 10:58:19 »

Speaking of the Armata, I saw a news article that the Russians are only going to aquire 100 of them, as they are too expensive (still cheaper than a new M1A2!), so are going to continue to rely on the T-90 & late model T-72s in the future...

Damon.

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire · « **Reply #411 on:** 08 August 2018, 12:47:11 »

Quote from: PsihoKekec on 08 August 2018, 04:29:01

It looks to me like the T-90 upgrade that was supposed to compete with Armata was a bit too ambitious as biomancy is still in it's infancy.

Attack its weak point.

Kidd · « **Reply #412 on:** 08 August 2018, 12:55:52 »

Tell Cookie to melt the butter and break out the bibs, I want this lobster served up on a silver platter!

Matti · « **Reply #413 on:** 08 August 2018, 13:16:20 »

Quote from: Garrand on 08 August 2018, 10:58:19

Speaking of the Armata, I saw a news article that the Russians are only going to aquire 100 of them, as they are too expensive (still cheaper than a new M1A2!), so are going to continue to rely on the T-90 & late model T-72s in the future...

Whatever happened with T-80? I understand it got some bad rep when inexperienced crews abandoned the model while under fire, but is the tank really worse than T-72?

DoctorMonkey · « **Reply #414 on:** 08 August 2018, 13:27:47 »

Quote from: Matti on 08 August 2018, 13:16:20

Whatever happened with T-80? I understand it got some bad rep when inexperienced crews abandoned the model while under fire, but is the tank really worse than T-72?

IIRC the Ukrainians like it but the Russians opted to further develop the T-72 but after the poor reputation it gained in Iraqi service, rebranded to T-90

Fat Guy · « **Reply #415 on:** 08 August 2018, 13:51:07 »

Actually since the Armata won't see full production, the Russians are planning on upgrading 3000 mothballed T-80s to the T-80BV standard (pictured) and putting them back into service.

The T-80 is actually quite similar to the T-72/T-90. It was it's expensive to run turbine engine more than anything else that forced it's early retirement.

Shows you just how hard up Ivan is for somewhat modern tanks to bring 'em out of retirement.

Kidd · « **Reply #416 on:** 08 August 2018, 14:11:09 »

Quote from: Matti on 08 August 2018, 13:16:20

Whatever happened with T-80? I understand it got some bad rep when inexperienced crews abandoned the model while under fire, but is the tank really worse than T-72?

AFAIK it's a gasoline T64 with T72 improvements tacked on

Similarly the T-90 is a development of the T-72B with elements of the T-80U. If they don't commit to Armata this is their best bet for new production I think

Either way a fleet of T-80Us, T-72B3/B3Ms, T-90s and a handful of T-14s is still a formidable collection.

MoneyLovinOgre4Hire · « **Reply #417 on:** 08 August 2018, 14:55:55 »

Quote from: Fat Guy on 08 August 2018, 13:51:07

Actually since the Armata won't see full production, the Russians are planning on upgrading 3000 mothballed T-80s to the T-80BV standard (pictured) and putting them back into service.

The T-80 is actually quite similar to the T-72/T-90. It was it's expensive to run turbine engine more than anything else that forced it's early retirement.

Shows you just how hard up Ivan is for somewhat modern tanks to bring 'em out of retirement.

While I was scrolling down, I initially thought that enormous cylinder in the background was the tank's gun- had me wonder just how big a projectile it launched.

glitterboy2098 · « **Reply #418 on:** 08 August 2018, 17:04:19 »

tangential topic.. been playing word of tanks a bunch on my Xbox lately.. i have come to the conclusion..

the early tier Russian tanks suck. having to slog through the T-28 and the like in order to get to the actual good stuff is annoying.

DoctorMonkey · « **Reply #419 on:** 08 August 2018, 17:06:35 »

Quote from: glitterboy2098 on 08 August 2018, 17:04:19

tangential topic.. been playing word of tanks a bunch on my Xbox lately.. i have come to the conclusion..

the early tier Russian tanks suck. having to slog through the T-28 and the like in order to get to the actual good stuff is annoying.

Playing World of Warships makes you wonder why anyone would join a USN Cruiser before about 1930 and even then I would be picky about which I would serve aboard