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I'm always shocked how tiny they are when I see one.


They're tiny even compared with the Whippet light tank but things like the Panzer I and Panzer II are pretty tiny


I'm also astonished at the low horsepower of a lot of tanks up to the end of WW2 - my small car (Honda Civic) has about as many horse power!
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Speaking of dinky French tanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMqbkQcDe9E
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Speaking of dinky French tanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMqbkQcDe9E
Good show.

If we're talking about tiny armored vehicles this one is my favorite, if only for the story of Roman Orlik


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Awwww! Its like someone put some armour plate and treads on one of the Walmart mobility scooters!
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Awwww! Its like someone put some armour plate and treads on one of the Walmart mobility scooters!

And Edmund Roman Orilk killed 10 Panzers with one. Admittedly mostly Panzer 35(t)s, but still...

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Bitey walmart scooters! Crewed by an amazingly brave (and lucky) crew!
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Bitey walmart scooters! Crewed by an amazingly brave (and lucky) crew!

And skilled. The Poles were actually pretty good at anti-armor operations.

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oh aye, considering what hit them they fought very well.
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I think it's half the size of my car.  And I don't have a big car.
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Judging by the design of the German Wiesal, the tankette concept never left us.
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The Wiesal is the last such vehicle that was built though (unless there are other vehicles that were built in response to it).
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Russian T-14 vs T-90

I think that rack next to the Armata's RWS is an anti-top-attack APS - or is it chaff grenades?



The Wiesal is the last such vehicle that was built though (unless there are other vehicles that were built in response to it).
Something 7.62mm proof that can be carried two to a CH-53? None.

The nearest analogue would be those stripped-down jeeps or ATVs which do have that transportability and carry missile launchers, MGs or 40mm AGLs. But they're not armoured.

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They're also not tracked, either.
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Looks like the mortar carrier Wiesel can be done with fractional accounting... :)

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No need for fractional accounting, it's a small vehicle at 4780 kg and therefore runs on a kg- instead of ton-based calculation.

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I prefer to use combat vehicle rules, and fractional accounting at 5 tons can fit a Mech Mortar-1...

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Why are support vehicles using Mech Mortars, just use the heavy mortar from the infantry weapons set.
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At 5 tons, you're a combat vehicle, and the Mech Mortar has much better range and damage.

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Russian T-14 vs T-90

I think that rack next to the Armata's RWS is an anti-top-attack APS - or is it chaff grenades?
according to what i've found (which i'll admit is probably highly speculative even on the better sites) it would probably be part of the NII Stali Upper Hemisphere Protection Complex, which includes the two vertical and two horizontal steerable box launchers. apparently they are a "soft kill" system according to what little has been released. presumably smoke/chaff/flare/how-ever-you-do-it.
supposedly the larger tubes at the base of the turret are hard kill APS mounts, but there is some debate whether that is true (could just be smoke tubes and russia is hyping them up otherwise to make the vehicle seem more advanced)

nextbigfuture had this diagram made up.. grain of salt for a lot of it, i'm sure.


and the APC model:

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Past and present, a St Charmond tank escorting a much more modern Leclerc.
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Was that an actual camo pattern they used?  It looks awfully bright...

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Yes, that is the original camo pattern. Although i doubt they painted it the way they did back then.


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Yeah, I think the modern version just picked a brighter shade of yellow, judging by the contrast in the older picture.

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Past and present, a St Charmond tank escorting a much more modern Leclerc.
Tank? Not assault gun?
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Arguably all the first tanks were assault guns.

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It was from before the concept of tanks as turreted, tracked armored vehicles was codified.
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These early tanks were meant to break through of a sort, but they were too big and too slow to exploit the breakthrough so you had something like FT-17 Renault to exploit the breakthrough made by the big tanks.
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These early tanks were meant to break through of a sort, but they were too big and too slow to exploit the breakthrough so you had something like FT-17 Renault to exploit the breakthrough made by the big tanks.

As I understand it that's more true for the Whippet than the FT-17. For one, the FT-17 didn't have the ability to cross a full-width trench.

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With the fascines carried by the Mk IVs, and whatever infantry digging in filler you can, it wouldn't take long to make an obstacle passable for your Renaults.  Certainly some could be across trenches and moving into an enemy's backfield before they could get informed of the breakthrough and ready defenders.
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by modern parlance the St Charmond could be called an assault gun, but that term didn't exist back in 1916 so it was a tank.  The FT-17 though was really the great grandfather of all modern tanks as it got the layout correct, with a driver in the front and a turret in the middle with an engine at the back.  Whilst the Mark I's got the ball rolling the FT-17 is the real genesis of modern tank layout.


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