Author Topic: Armored Fighting Vehicles version M4 - are we going with that? Sure, man.  (Read 196913 times)

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Before he got voted out (I left not long after) the Phoenix sheriff's department had a 155mm SPG.  Demilled, but still.


...Why?

Seems like the maintenance cost to capability ratio might be kinda high.
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Bingo.

And, like I said, I'm not in Phoenix anymore so I dunno if they've since sold it off (there's a big collectors market for AFVs) or if it's still around or what.  Gotta admit, though, that sucker would be cool for the Fourth of July.

Meanwhile, looks like the new Abrams is finally reaching brigade-strength numbers, and is to be sent off to some lucky unit soon.  Trophy APS on the sides (note the radar emitters) and that BIG stonkin' block of armor on the turret front...that's...pretty bloody impressive.  All kinds of other improvements internally as well, of course.
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picture like that though are also a good example of why some are pushing for a new tank development program.. because the M1 is starting to run out of places they can hang additional armor and systems without impairing important bits for its job as a tank.

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I won't repost the photo but part of me wonders if the person pointing is saying "and this is the supporting-infantry-killer..."
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Body language feels more like "i want to know which one of you left that open, you'll have to do the whole checklist over now" to me.

the guys in uniform all read clueless, but looking clueless through whatever is being told to you might just be a valuable skill for the armed forces....
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the guys in uniform all read clueless
"Okay, see this?  This is a tank.  Can you guys spell tank?"
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"Okay, see this?  This is a tank.  Can you guys spell tank?"

[insert obligatory tanker joke here.]

thinking somewhat seriously, that's actually not a bad way to test military equipment.  Find a collection of the lowest-IQ people you can in uniform (actually really kind of tough in the all-volunteer services we have today), and see if they can break/misuse/screw it up, then fix the design, then repeat.  By the time you finish testing ths way, it'll be ALMOST soldier-proof and incredibly durable.
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My new boss just retired from the Marines, and just expressed this morning the same view - Give it to the privates, corporals, and lance corporals. If it can be broken, they'll figure out how to do it. :thumbsup:
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My new boss just retired from the Marines, and just expressed this morning the same view - Give it to the privates, corporals, and lance corporals. If it can be broken, they'll figure out how to do it. :thumbsup:
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I have read about a guy who thought that the best way to clean oil (or gasoline or whatever) off from his boots was to light them up on fire. While the said boots were still on his feet. He was a tank crewman. Source: Heavy Metal: A Tank Company's Battle to Baghdad
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It's not necessarily the lowest IQ people you want... as others have alluded to, it's the least experienced ones you want.  The clever 18 year old is the MOST dangerous one...

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It's not the intelligence or lack thereof. It's the combination of crushing boredom, lack of foresight, and a questionable sense of self preservation. You know... Teenagers whether in camo or not

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Give it to the privates, corporals, and lance corporals. If it can be broken, they'll figure out how to do it. :thumbsup:
Eh. In our unit it was the sergeants and ensigns.

As in, we had a staff sergeant who commanded Fox APCs.
  • #1 : Ran into a ditch while he was driving, broken axle, written off.
  • #2 : Crushed the equipment in the rear while he was checking and telling the driver to back up further - straight into a wall.
  • #3 : Sunk in the Rhine since he didn't check whether the guys in the back had closed their hatches. Driver almost drowned btw.
  • #4 : Jumped off a bridge in Kosovo. With the APC.
We also had:
  • a) : An ensign who fired off a flare gun. The tree that he was standing under came crushing down on him on fire. The same sergeant later on thought that it was better to hold the flare gun at a lower angle with that experience. He almost killed two guys after the rocket set the camouflage netting over their dugout on fire.
  • b) : An ensign who used a pump to compress a 3,000-liter water tank to the point where if you (finally) opened the air valve you could see the floor pressed up against the valve from inside. It took the pump 15 minutes to do that. The snapping of the fiberglass connectors to the trailer was pretty loud. He was standing next to it.
  • c) : A sergeant who thought it was a great idea to test his homebuilt hand grenades after putting the conscripts he commanded into trenches, setting them off on the ground above "for realism". One of those contained as much explosives as a 81mm mortar shell.

By comparison, all that the privates managed was that they kinda manipulated a mobile water boiler to the point where we could pick up the parts 50 meters away behind the fence of the base after the small explosion. No one was even injured in that btw. Because they first managed to burn two 20-liter canisters of diesel creating a smoke cloud that covered that entire section of the base.

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As in, we had a staff sergeant who commanded Fox APCs.
Let's see... How many passengers does it carry?
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Let's see... How many passengers does it carry?
Nah, these. M93 Fox in the US Army, hence why i used that name.

2-10 in the back depending on configuration.

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The Mars A-800 logistics unmanned ground vehicle, in testing with Russia's Airborne Forces.

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That looks very much like a graphic, complete with hashtag ...
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The Mars A-800 logistics unmanned ground vehicle, in testing with Russia's Airborne Forces.



I used to have a programmable/RC tank that looked very like this except it was a darker grey, with a number pad on the back, and a flashing light center front to be the “laser” it was armed with.

Anyone else remember this thing?

Edit: and I think it had wheels instead of tracks, so not a tank.

Edit 2: Ah, yes. The Big Trak by Milton Bradley.

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Well, it certainly looks like something out of G.I.Joe...

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For a bit of fun ...



The IT-1, a dedicated AT missile tank build on a T-64 chassis. Carried 15 radio-controlled missiles, each capable of penetrating 24" of RHA. Unfortunately the control mechanism was unreliable, and they got convered into ARVs.

A very BT tank - given a Thunderbolt-10 launcher weighs the same as an AC-5, it'd be a logical militia 'upgrade' for Scorpions or Vedettes, IMHO.

On the West's side, all I can think of is the Raketenjagdpanzer:



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* The Housebook series is from the 80's and is the foundation of Btech, the 80's heart wrapped in heavy metal that beats to this day - Sigma
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* Because Battletech is a conspiracy by Habsburg & Bourbon pretenders - MadCapellan
* The Hellbringer is cool, either way. It's not cool because it's bad, it's cool because it's bad with balls - Nightsky
* It was a glorious time for people who felt that we didn't have enough Marauder variants - HABeas2, re "Empires Aflame"

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IT-1 was based on the T-62 chassis. There's a model kit of it out, even!

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D'oh! I stand (sit) corrected.

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* No, FASA wasn't big on errata - ColBosch
* The Housebook series is from the 80's and is the foundation of Btech, the 80's heart wrapped in heavy metal that beats to this day - Sigma
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* Because Battletech is a conspiracy by Habsburg & Bourbon pretenders - MadCapellan
* The Hellbringer is cool, either way. It's not cool because it's bad, it's cool because it's bad with balls - Nightsky
* It was a glorious time for people who felt that we didn't have enough Marauder variants - HABeas2, re "Empires Aflame"

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Nice!
The German one looks straight out of WW2, even if it is 20 years younger!

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On a related note ... reloading the rail-launched missile on a BMP.



As the fins were folded to fit through the hatch, notice the stick used to initiate fin deployment ...

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* Because Battletech is a conspiracy by Habsburg & Bourbon pretenders - MadCapellan
* The Hellbringer is cool, either way. It's not cool because it's bad, it's cool because it's bad with balls - Nightsky
* It was a glorious time for people who felt that we didn't have enough Marauder variants - HABeas2, re "Empires Aflame"

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Western contemporary would be one of the Raketenjagdpanzers, or arguably the British Striker. (Pic)

For a Western tank of identical concept? (Converted turreted MBT?) Only the Israeli Pereh I think.



I wonder what that ruin is in the background. Knowing the Brits it's probably some erstwhile famous stronghold, just sitting casually in the background of the firing range.... Castle Anthrax or whatever...

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Worktroll: Sticks are very simple, and easy to use... very Soviet!  ^-^

Ruger: I think I had one of those too!  :thumbsup:

 

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