After Market Workshop- Old merc mechs in 3055

[Daryk]

Hmmm... I think a pair of ER PPCs and another DHS would work better...

[Ruger]

Hmm. Nasty idea. Take a standard Marauder-3R. Drop the engine some and add jump jets for 3/5/3 movement. Drop a heat sink and make the rest doubles. Drop all weapons. Add a binary laser cannon in each arm and an AC/10 where the AC/5 used to be with two tons of ammo in the LT with 3 of the DHS’s.

Ruger

[Daryk]

I like the cut of your jib, sir!  ^-^

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

That sounds fun.

[Colt Ward]

While its beyond the scope . . . it would be a good pocket assault if rebuilding a salvaged Marauder for a Lyran merc group.

[Daryk]

Just wait until Heavy PPCs are available...  :drool:

[fallen]

While at work today, an idea for a swayback variant popped into my imagination.  Imagine my surprise that when I log in, I find that Notsonoble has beat me to it with that awesome Discoback!   Well done!

My idea starts with the Hunchback 4G.  First I exchange the thirteen single heatsinks for thirteen doubles.  Next the AC/20 and ammo are removed.  Finally two large pulse lasers and four jump jets are added for the improved to hit modifier and increased mobility.

[Deuces]

The SHD-2K, VND-1R, and BLR-1G can handle an ERPPC even with single heat sinks.

The PXH-1 would benefit from swapping ML and MG for a pair of MPL.

[Daryk]

Two LPL and JJ is a very nice build!  :thumbsup:

The Shadow Hawk, Battle Master, and Vindicator could do so much MORE with DHS, though...  ^-^

[Ruger]

While at work today, an idea for a swayback variant popped into my imagination.  Imagine my surprise that when I log in, I find that Notsonoble has beat me to it with that awesome Discoback!   Well done!

My idea starts with the Hunchback 4G.  First I exchange the thirteen single heatsinks for thirteen doubles.  Next the AC/20 and ammo are removed.  Finally two large pulse lasers and four jump jets are added for the improved to hit modifier and increased mobility.

Hmm. You could make a full intro tech version; just drop the AC/20 and ammo for two Large lasers, 4 more heat sinks and four jump jets.

Ruger

[Daryk]

Something like this?

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HBK-4R Hunchback Ruger

Mass: 50 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/C-E-D-A
Production Year: 2750
Dry Cost: 3,539,875 C-Bills
Total Cost: 3,539,875 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,166

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 200 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  Large Lasers
    2  Medium Lasers
    1  Small Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      83 points                5.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                200                       8.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 4 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 2 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT                                   2.00
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             17                        7.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 3 RT, 2 LL, 2 RL
Gyro:               Standard                                               2.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 160                 10.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            8         
                                        Center Torso     16           24       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     12           20       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  4         
                                             L/R Arm     8            16       
                                             L/R Leg     12           20       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1.00
Medium Laser                                 LA        3         1         1.00
2 Large Lasers                               RT        16        4        10.00
Small Laser                                  HD        1         1         0.50
                                            Free Critical Slots: 27

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 12
4j         3       2       0       0      2     1   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

[Deuces]

The Shadow Hawk, Battle Master, and Vindicator could do so much MORE with DHS, though...  ^-^

Oh definitely but I thought the question was what can be improved with a simple weapons swap on the cheap without opening the reactor.

[truetanker]

  Please no design sheets, but link to the appropriate sub-forum if you wish.

Just reminding...

TT

[Daryk]

The mods took care of that problem by moving this to the appropriate design forum.

Deuces: Colt has allowed DHS as long as they accompany a weapons upgrade.  Hence my list of LL to ERLL (and DHS) upgrade candidates...

[Deuces]

In that case, I always thought the GRF-1S, my favorite medium of its era, has a lot of room for improvement.

upgrade all lasers to pulse versions, trading 16 HS or 11 DHS, use the extra ton for armor.

[Ruger]

Something like this?

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HBK-4R Hunchback Ruger

Mass: 50 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Experimental Tech
Era: Age of War/Star League
Tech Rating/Era Availability: D/C-E-D-A
Production Year: 2750
Dry Cost: 3,539,875 C-Bills
Total Cost: 3,539,875 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,166

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 200 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: Unknown
    Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    2  Large Lasers
    2  Medium Lasers
    1  Small Laser
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                      83 points                5.00
Engine:             Fusion Engine                200                       8.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 4 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 2 CT, 1 LT, 1 RT                                   2.00
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             17                        7.00
    Heat Sink Locations: 2 LT, 3 RT, 2 LL, 2 RL
Gyro:               Standard                                               2.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA+H    R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 160                 10.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            8         
                                        Center Torso     16           24       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  8         
                                           L/R Torso     12           20       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  4         
                                             L/R Arm     8            16       
                                             L/R Leg     12           20       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1.00
Medium Laser                                 LA        3         1         1.00
2 Large Lasers                               RT        16        4        10.00
Small Laser                                  HD        1         1         0.50
                                            Free Critical Slots: 27

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      5    Points: 12
4j         3       2       0       0      2     1   Structure:  4
Special Abilities: ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

Indeed.

Ruger

[Daryk]

Excellent, glad I could help!  :thumbsup:

[fallen]

Ruger and Daryk, very cool!  I like that introtech swayback!

[Ruger]

Ruger and Daryk, very cool!  I like that introtech swayback!

The fun part is, if you put the large lasers in opposite side torsos and the medium lasers in the CT, you could use the Hunchback IIC mini as this design and it would look right.

Ruger

[fallen]

I promise that this is my last submission to this thread.  Here is an idea I had this morning for a possible modification of the JagerMech.  Remove and replace the single heatsinks with doubles.  Remove both AC/5s and ammo and one AC/2.  Mount a gauss rifle with two tons of ammo.  Next add a PPC. There should be plenty of those laying around from other refits.

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JagerMech JM6-Y

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3055
Cost: 5,603,675 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,356

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 260 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Gauss Rifle
    1  PPC
    2  Medium Lasers
    1  Autocannon/2
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     104 points                6.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                260                      13.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  96                  6.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           16       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  5         
                                           L/R Torso     15           13       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  3         
                                             L/R Arm     10           6         
                                             L/R Leg     15           11       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Autocannon/2                                 RA        1         1         6.00
PPC                                          RA        10        3         7.00
Gauss Rifle                                  LA        1         7        15.00
Medium Laser                                 RT        3         1         1.00
Medium Laser                                 LT        3         1         1.00
@Gauss Rifle (16)                            LT        -         2         2.00
@AC/2 (45)                                   CT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 35

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 14
4          4       4       3       0      3     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

Edit:  If you don't mind running a little hot, you can drop the last AC/2 and ammo for an additional PPC.

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agerMech JM6-Y2

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3070
Cost: 5,809,925 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,498

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 260 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Gauss Rifle
    2  PPCs
    2  Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     104 points                6.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                260                      13.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  96                  6.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           16       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  5         
                                           L/R Torso     15           13       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  3         
                                             L/R Arm     10           6         
                                             L/R Leg     15           11       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2 PPCs                                       RA        20        6        14.00
Gauss Rifle                                  LA        1         7        15.00
Medium Laser                                 RT        3         1         1.00
Medium Laser                                 LT        3         1         1.00
@Gauss Rifle (16)                            LT        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 34

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 15
4          3       4       3       0      3     1   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

Edit #2:  This is an alternate for when there are not enough double heatsinks available.  Let's face it, they are in high demand.   The Y3 removes all autocannon and ammo for a gauss rifle and a surplus AC/10.

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JagerMech JM6-Y3

Mass: 65 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-D-A
Production Year: 3055
Cost: 5,380,925 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1,265

Chassis: Unknown Standard
Power Plant: Unknown 260 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets: None
    Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Unknown Standard Armor
Armament:
    1  Gauss Rifle
    1  Autocannon/10
    2  Medium Lasers
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     104 points                6.50
Engine:             Fusion Engine                260                      13.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Single Heat Sink             10                        0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA    R: SH+UA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV -  96                  6.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     21           16       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  5         
                                           L/R Torso     15           13       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  3         
                                             L/R Arm     10           6         
                                             L/R Leg     15           11       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Autocannon/10                                RA        3         7        12.00
Gauss Rifle                                  LA        1         7        15.00
Medium Laser                                 RT        3         1         1.00
Medium Laser                                 LT        3         1         1.00
@Gauss Rifle (16)                            LT        -         2         2.00
@AC/10 (20)                                  CT        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 31

BattleForce Statistics
MV      S (+0)  M (+2)  L (+4)  E (+6)   Wt.   Ov   Armor:      3    Points: 13
4          4       4       2       0      3     0   Structure:  5
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA, AC 1/1/0


[Nightsong]

Which is why I included it . . . give a Shadow Hawk a NARC beacon and 2 more JJ, its a pretty tough spotter that would be a force multiplier (as long as they could get ammo) for a merc company with a lot of Archer, Catapult, Dervish or other LRM heavy designs.  I always hated we never got more NARC for the era, and it makes sense for it to be 1-offs for merc forces.

Bear with me: NARCicada.  :thumbsup: Say, go with the version with the PPC and MGs, replace the guns with a Large Laser and a Narc with a ton of pods. Or if you want more pods, go with a quad of MLs and 2 tons of pods. I figure a 7/11 NARCer with a nasty sting would be a very nice spotter.

[Colt Ward]

Reminds me of a technology I could have added . . . MASC, though it would be a special case to the rules I offered . . .

A 7/11(14) NARC throwing Cicada with some MLs for defense or scout hunting could have been useful in the 3050s.

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

The fun part is, if you put the large lasers in opposite side torsos and the medium lasers in the CT, you could use the Hunchback IIC mini as this design and it would look right.

Ruger

Never say "Hunchback IIC mini" and "look right" again.

[Nightsong]

Reminds me of a technology I could have added . . . MASC, though it would be a special case to the rules I offered . . .

A 7/11(14) NARC throwing Cicada with some MLs for defense or scout hunting could have been useful in the 3050s.

Could work. take the 2nd variant I tossed out, would dropping 2 of 4 MLs be enough room for the MASC, or would I have to drop the extra ton of pods.. Will have to see. Is a nice config though.

[Ruger]

Hmm...take the the “Avenging Angel” model Vindicator, drop 5 heat sinks and make the rest doubles, swap the PPC for an ER version.

Use the five free tons to all but maximize your armor.

Edit: this also works for the St. Ives version. Drop all extra heat sinks, make rest doubles. Replace the large laser with an ER version, and add the last half ton as armor to the legs.

Ruger

[Daryk]

Yeah, that always mystified me... The one version of the Vindicator that actually needed DHS never got them...

[Ruger]

Here’s another: take the Shadow Hawk-2D. Drop the extra heat sinks and make the base 10 doubles. Replace the AC/5 and ammo with a PPC. Add 5 tons of armor and two jump jets.

When ferro and CASE become available, drop a ton of armor and make it ferro. Add CASE to each side torso (and make sure ammo is appropriately placed).

Simple Griffin-1N mod: drop the two spare heat sinks and make rest doubles. Switch out LRM-10 for LRM-15.

And here’s an interesting Quickdraw: drop the three spare heat sinks, make base 10 doubles. Add two tons of armor and switch the LRM-10, its ammo and the last leftover ton for a PPC (or a large laser and two more tons of armor).

Ruger

[Starfury]

Grasshopper-remove 5 heat sinks, switch to doubles, upgrade CT Large Laser to ER Large, and add another ER Large to the right torso.

Awesome-8T upgrade all PPCs to ER, remove 8 heat sinks, upgrade to doubles, add in 4 medium pulse or 8 medium lasers if you fit them

Awesome with the dual Large Lasers and LRM 15s
Upgrade both Large Lasers to ER, remove 4 heat sinks, switch to doubles, add in Artemie and two more tons of LRM-15 ammo.

More to come as I think on it

[Ruger]

Usually don’t do this, but take a Marauder II, drop 12 heat sinks, make remaining 17 doubles. Switch LL for another PPC. Add 10 more medium lasers; 1 more in each arm and in the CT and Head, and three in each side torso (12 total).

Ruger

[MoneyLovinOgre4Hire]

That's pretty scary