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MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« on: 18 August 2011, 16:28:57 »
This one is a short and snappy one - but it is a compound construct. Originally posted by CoyoteWarDog on July 31st, 2003 (!), reposted and elaborated by yours truly on July 31st, 2009 (in green) and finally slightly elaborated on this day (in green + italics).

This week, we'll discuss the Bushwhacker. Right off the bat, I'd like to say that this thing has one of the most deliciously silly names of any 'mech in the BT universe. In fact, it probably gets the award for silliest name among the canon 'mechs (In non-canon territory, the Ventilator is a competitor).

On the other hand, it is one of the genuinely most iconic Inner Sphere 'Mechs of the post-invasion era. Parts of that has to do with its very early introduction in the Somerset Strikers Holo-Soap, parts with it gracing the cover of TRO: 3058(U); however, the most obvious reason for its high visibility is its great looks. Indeed, this war machine, with its aircraft-like fuselage, its gun-pod missile mounts and its functional weapon arms as well as sleek "chicken-walker" legs presents one heck of a sexy package.

Another point that is implied here: forget TRO: 3058 (the Bushwacker's TRO home). This thing is also genuinely one of the first post-TRO: 2750 "lvl2" 'Mechs - remember thast Somerset Strikers also introduced the first non-standard BA suits. This beast appeared early, early in the modern era of BattleTech.

It is small wonder that a design which originated in the very public entertainment medium TV has its forte in aesthetic aspects...


Now, on to more serious analysis, starting with the origonal BSW-X1: What we have here is a rather slow 'mech at the top of the medium 'mech weight scale. It's obviously designed for ranged fighting, but the two LRM 5s really aren't veru useful for that purpose. The choice of an AC/10 when the LB-10X has been available for years is very odd, especially since special ammo types hadn't been introduced yet in 3058 and it doesn't have a big enough ammo bin to use them anyway (You only get 5 shots if you use special AC rounds), but when you remember the context of its origin...

Armour? The Bushwacker is deeply flawed. While 9 tons of ferro fibrous armour provide more protection than one would have been used to coming from the classic 55-ton trio, its allocation is quite wacky (no pun intended). Its protection on all locations is almost maximised... except for the arms which carry the biggest weapon. Please, can anyone explain why it could possibly seem a good idea to provide a limb with 9 internal structure points with 11 points of armour?!?

2011 addition: This is basically an archetypal offense against smart armour doctrine.

Add to this the fact that the AC10 actually has a mediocre range when fielded on modern battlefields and that the LRM launchers are small, heavy and have a huge minimum range and you get a design that lacks real punch or focus. After this harsh assessment, it comes as no surprise that its two variants should be actual improvements.

2011 addition: Before delving into the true variants, let's quickly have a look at a sub-variant that saw the light of day with the release of the TW-style RS: 3058U. The BSW-X2 is a contemporary of the BSW-X1 that swaps the ERLL for 2x MPL and adds a 3rd LRM5 (at the expense of a DHS). What this does is two-fold: increase the capability of the indirect fire-support that was stated upon the original 3058's release; and also increase close-range defense to slightly more credible levels. Ammo is now also short for the LRM launchers and punch is even more unfocused, but I would probably rate it slightly higher as a cavalry unit.

Of course, what this variant really does is canonise the MechWarrior/MechCommander Bushwacker layout...


The BSW-S2 is, IMO, an improvement over the original model(s). It packs the LB-10X the Bushwhacker should have had all along (Saving weight for an additional ton of ammo in the process), does away with the useless machine guns, and abandons the long-range fighter idea by replacing the LRM 5s with much more effective SRM 4s.

Small tweaks sometimes add up to more than their sum. This variant does away with the pretense that it "is first and foremost a long-range combat BattleMech." (TRO: 3058U, p. 136) Its punch is improved and so is, strangely, the range of its effective guns. It also makes up for any lack of staggering punch by providing its pilot with a fairly impressive crit capacity through its SRMs and LB-X.

Unfortunately, it retains the poor armour choice of the X1 and hence, I cannot fully condone it.

2011 addition: TRO 3085's Old is the new New gave us the BSW-S2r which swapped the ER Large Laser and one SRM4 for a Plasma Rifle. While ostensibly an upgrade, it once again reduces the range of the Bushwacker, after the -S2 just upgraded it vs the -X1. It also reduces short-range firepower and crit capacity (though arguably, the Plasma Rifle's punch vs vehicles is so much better than the ERLL's that this is moot). Adding insult to injury, with 1 ton of ammo, it creates new endurance problems that again were originally remedied by the -S2 vs the -X1.

But no, strike that. The true added insult to injury is that yet again... yes, it has the same old heinous armour...


The BSW-L1 is so different from the previous variants that it's almost a new design. The Light Engine and improved armor protection make this Bushwhacker a much tougher machine than its brethren. The -L1 had a radically revised weapons load, including one of House Steiner's beloved giant guns (An LB-20X with three tons of ammo) and a single ER Large Laser. This Bushwhacker is probably the best of the three, although IMO it loses most of the earlier models "flavor".

Regardless of the model, the Bushwhacker is still a 55-ton 'mech with a relatively poor mobility (compared to modern cavalry units only). It has Steiner written all over it (Rather slow, big gun, etc). I wouldn't put this 'mech in a lance of medium 'mechs, since it will probably be left behind. Instead, I'd use it as a complement to fast heavies like the Argus and Rakshasa.

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edit: when adding the -X2, I should also be adding the -S2r... #P
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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #1 on: 18 August 2011, 21:53:58 »
The -L1 remins me of a poor man's Lao Hu variant....

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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #2 on: 19 August 2011, 02:57:07 »
On a 55-ton chassis using a Light rather than Extralight engine? Yes please!
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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #3 on: 19 August 2011, 10:58:09 »
All the LRM variants seem to be the exception to the rule of "MML's are inefficient replacements for LRM's".
I'd take a refit of a pair of even MML-3's and a extra ton of ammo over the pair of LRM-5's in both the -X1 and -X2,
even if you'd have to do some fiddling to get it all to fit.

Honestly though, the Bushwacker is one of the all-time "What can I refit to make this work" 'Mechs.
There's just enough right (and wrong) with it that would-be 'Mech designers can kill hours trying to build
a better version of the -X and -S designs.


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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #4 on: 19 August 2011, 11:44:04 »
i spend quite a bit of time doing just that!
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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #5 on: 19 August 2011, 12:23:44 »
Very good analasys. It was a lot of fun using it in mw3 and mc2. Heck i use one in mc2 almost to the end.

 A fun mech to tinker with and play stock. Yes my fav is the L variant but the one with the srm's is fun also.
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« Reply #6 on: 19 August 2011, 13:03:03 »
It and the Lao Hu are my MechCommander mainstays.
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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #7 on: 19 August 2011, 14:02:41 »
That mission in mc2 where you get the first Lao Hu is a lot of fun

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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #8 on: 19 August 2011, 18:41:19 »
It's an early revival-tech design, and it shows it. What's sad is that later refits didn't do much to fix that.

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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #9 on: 19 August 2011, 20:21:16 »
there are good points though. The ER LL and AC/10 pair nicely. There are no heat issues, the two LRM 5s are more efficient weight wise than an 10 tube launcher, and the 5/8 movement isn't too bad. It's like an enforcer and centurion had a thin-skinned baby. Find something to strip off (MGs) and slap on some more armor and i don't think its too bad.
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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #10 on: 19 August 2011, 22:03:11 »
That mission in mc2 where you get the first Lao Hu is a lot of fun

Wasn't that the last Lyran mission against pirates in some desert? I always try to capture that one plus any starslayers I can if I am lucky. Plus, that mission has you facing a full lance of Urbanmechs...whats more awesome then those little guys. :)

And back on topic for the Bushwaker...

For Mechwarrior4, I absolutely love this design. Clan LB-20X in one arm, LL in CT and dual SSRM6's for little heat and armor punching power against other mediums.
For MM well....that is another story entirely. It is a almost decent design but it never seems to work perfectly.
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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #11 on: 20 August 2011, 00:22:28 »
It was fun in the MW series, but it needs to be tinkered with to be more effective.  Not enough ammunition on the X1.  The S2 seems a little better.  The L1 comes across as a faster better armed Hunchback to me.


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« Reply #13 on: 20 August 2011, 08:22:54 »
And therre's... a problem with a faster, better-armed hunchback?

 only if it's the H-back IIC...lets see, 2 tons of ammo for those 2 ultra 20's? bang bang amd to quote Austin Powers..."and I'm Spent!"
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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #14 on: 20 August 2011, 12:05:58 »
I see no one has mentioned what is possibly the greatest quality difference between cover and illustration art in the battletech universe.


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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #15 on: 20 August 2011, 23:09:30 »
or that the linedrawing art is way better than the mini? I like how it is all hunkered down in the art.It makes it look very menacing. I was going to buy one and a cauldron born and throw the CB legs on the BW but i still haven't done it yet.
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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #16 on: 21 August 2011, 03:04:17 »
I think the armor is laid out as it is to protect the Bushwacker's engine and mobility. Accepting the risk of weapons loss in order to have better odds of preserving the engine and legs it needs to walk home.

After all it does mount an XL engine. Seen from that perspective it becomes IMO a rather flavorful unit. And makes sense for what has to be one of the first mech designs mounting an ungodly expensive XL engine that they'd want to preserve it if at all possible.

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« Reply #17 on: 21 August 2011, 10:55:28 »
And makes sense for what has to be one of the first mech designs mounting an ungodly expensive XL engine that they'd want to preserve it if at all possible.

Huh? It's not one of the first designs with an XL.

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« Reply #18 on: 21 August 2011, 11:33:54 »
Huh? It's not one of the first designs with an XL.

 it was, however, a prototype under construction when the clans hit. He could possably be refering to it being one of the first post clan invasion to have an XL straight from the factory which i could see.
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« Reply #19 on: 21 August 2011, 12:04:26 »
it was, however, a prototype under construction when the clans hit. He could possably be refering to it being one of the first post clan invasion to have an XL straight from the factory which i could see.

Yeah. One of the first mechs developed specifically to carry an XL engine (Post Star League of course). I'm pretty sure any other XL mech from the same time period was a refit (Of course I could be wrong and it'd be a TOUCH time consuming to dig through most TRO's I have to confirm)

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« Reply #20 on: 21 August 2011, 12:06:44 »
Yeah. One of the first mechs developed specifically to carry an XL engine (Post Star League of course). I'm pretty sure any other XL mech from the same time period was a refit (Of course I could be wrong and it'd be a TOUCH time consuming to dig through most TRO's I have to confirm)

I guess. Seeing as any of the designs in TRO 3050 came first, and any of those with an XL/endo steel change pretty much have to come from a factory and not be a refit...I'm not so sure I'd agree.

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« Reply #21 on: 21 August 2011, 12:28:23 »
A factory refit is still a refit.
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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #22 on: 21 August 2011, 12:30:57 »
I guess. Seeing as any of the designs in TRO 3050 came first, and any of those with an XL/endo steel change pretty much have to come from a factory and not be a refit...I'm not so sure I'd agree.

Okay this is a question of definitions really. I mean that they were based on an altered version of an existing chassis rather than a completely new chassis design. And I'm fairly sure that means there's usually some legacy traits in design (Or at least intended to be) from the previous variants.

And I really can't find any better word to describe that than "Refit."

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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #23 on: 21 August 2011, 12:55:52 »
I guess. Seeing as any of the designs in TRO 3050 came first, and any of those with an XL/endo steel change pretty much have to come from a factory and not be a refit...I'm not so sure I'd agree.

 Weren't many of those from 3050 a field refit ? Other than the ones where it actually takes a factory like changing the skeleton in endo or coming off the line with an XL.They are a factory upgrade package done in the factory.

 Slightly off topic, i apologise.
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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #24 on: 21 August 2011, 13:16:46 »
The Bushwacker is not a 3058 original.

It is one of the units that debuted with Somerset Strikers and thus grandfathered into 3058 - which puts the finished prototype (which they got to play with) on duty in 3051 at the very latest, more likely 3050.

That is really durned early for a newly built unit in a time just emerging from the age of Lostech. I for one am happy with RogueK's interpretation. If the arms just didn't add up to exactly 20 total damage... :'(

The differences between the Bushwackers in 3058 is like a duel between the two gods of BT art, Chaffee and Loose. And Loose changed quite a few shapes of designs in the book. The Piranha stayed close to what it was, so did many others, but the Cauldron-Born changed at least as significantly as the Bushwacker. Chaffee's cover is the one that sticks to what the Somerset Strikers SB shows.

The Tyco toy, btw, looks like it took the fuselage (because the Bushwacker's torso is more like an aircraft fuselage to me) of the Loose illustration and mated it to the rest of the normal Bushwacker. IMO. But that's because it had a gimmick canopy.
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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #25 on: 21 August 2011, 14:53:59 »
Fluff says shipping date of '53 for the standard version with most being sent to the clan front( lyran part of the FC ) to replace units destroyed.
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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #26 on: 21 August 2011, 17:32:44 »
which puts the finished prototype (which they got to play with) on duty in 3051 at the very latest, more likely 3050.

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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #27 on: 22 August 2011, 15:22:26 »
according to the "mini-TRO' in the back of the old Battletech Compendium: rules of warfare, the bushwacker was completed before the clans arrived. apparently the narrow torso design was intended to reduce the odds of it being hit by enemy fire, but the narrow design led to some problems with the XL Engine sheilding, which prevented it from being OK'd for mass production.

at least, IIRC. i wish i still knew where my old copy was, i bet the fluff could help answer some of the questions in this thread.
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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #28 on: 22 August 2011, 16:40:18 »
This mech so needs a RAC variant. 

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Re: MotW repost: Bushwacker BSW-**
« Reply #29 on: 23 August 2011, 01:41:22 »
This mech so needs a RAC variant.

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